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Minions are really the easiest way to spread conditions. I've usually got plenty of Jagged Horrors running around causing bleeding, not to mention all the Death Novas all over the place.
Blind Was Mingson is good - deals AoE blind, so besides fueling Discord, you're also shutting down most of the enemies' attack damage. I usually have AoE hexes/conditions on the heroes, too, so I don't have to worry about it all the time - Enfeebling Blood and either Suffering or Ulcerous Lungs (Jagged = Bleeding = UL's degen kicks in).
The problem with "You Are All Weaklings!" and Technobabble is that they're only adjacent range, and it's usually hard to get PvE foes to get that close together, especially in hard mode. All the skills I mentioned above, as well as Painful Bond, are nearby range, which is much easier to work with.
Blind Was Mingson is good - deals AoE blind, so besides fueling Discord, you're also shutting down most of the enemies' attack damage. I usually have AoE hexes/conditions on the heroes, too, so I don't have to worry about it all the time - Enfeebling Blood and either Suffering or Ulcerous Lungs (Jagged = Bleeding = UL's degen kicks in).
The problem with "You Are All Weaklings!" and Technobabble is that they're only adjacent range, and it's usually hard to get PvE foes to get that close together, especially in hard mode. All the skills I mentioned above, as well as Painful Bond, are nearby range, which is much easier to work with.
With a minions bomber (or two depending on your discord setup) in your team, spreading conditions around shouldn't be much of a problem. I usually run a pure spammer with discord heroes quite effectively. I use painful bond and Shadowsong, which together with the conditions spread by my discord heroes is more than enough to let the discord away. Take YMLaD for an extra one if needed. Good hunting.
Painful Bond + YMLAD is key when fighting a mob with a few monks. Also helps if boss is like an RC monk. Which can take foreverrr to kill without proper ping calling for Discord spam. Just advice. Youd like anet would have nerfed all this by now. Using this almost a year ago i think and saw its power. Doesnt anet kill all fun powerful builds? Lol goodluck
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Drop Boon of Creation for Siphon Spirit. It provides much more energy (iirc you get a net return of 9 energy per spirit), doesn't rely on Spawning Power (if you needed to drop/lower it for any reason), and can't be stripped. It does have a 3 second recharge as opposed to the instant effect of BoC, but it's not like SoS builds are that heavy on energy anyway.
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Originally Posted by ThomOfDeath
Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?
Sorry, there must be some mistake. Discord is "good" but you want something a little better to make things easier. You already have enough spiking power with your spirits.
Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?
Sorry, there must be some mistake. Discord is "good" but you want something a little better to make things easier. You already have enough spiking power with your spirits.
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Originally Posted by ThomOfDeath
Okay, I want to max some titles, so I want a good hero setup. Is there a way to combine a SoS spirit spammer with Discord? Or is an other hero setup more advised?
For my SoS spirit spammer, I use a hero setup similar to spiritway:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway
But I replace the communing rit hero with one that synergizes with SoS using similar principles to:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dual_Spirit_Spam
Then have another restoration healer with spirit spihon and a MM.
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway
But I replace the communing rit hero with one that synergizes with SoS using similar principles to:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dual_Spirit_Spam
Then have another restoration healer with spirit spihon and a MM.
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Originally Posted by Daesu
For my SoS spirit spammer, I use a hero setup similar to spiritway:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway
But I replace the communing rit hero with one that synergizes with SoS using similar principles to:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dual_Spirit_Spam
Then have another restoration healer with spirit spihon and a MM. I like the idea, but I have a few problems with the Dual Spirit Spam build you present.
First off is Vampirism on the Channeling Rit. It would be much better off on the SoGM.
Next is Boon of Creation. It doesn't matter if the other rit has a Siphon Spirit. There are so many spirits that you should be gaining all the energy you possibly need. BoC is so much worse than Siphon. Heal is negligible and BoC can be removed. Such a high channeling on the SoGM for Siphon Spirit is also unnecessary. There is so much spirit and potential energy, that some of the att points should go to spawning.
Your minion bomber should be /Mo for Aegis and PS. They are both so good in HM and should be a staple unless you have high damage mitigation from something like E/Mo infuser or imbagon.
GDW and/or Splinter Weapon are not present on the Channeling Rit. With such high spawning plus extra slots, why are they not staple? GDW would be extended to a long 30 second duration. It's is relatively easy to keep it up on 2 different physicals and still have the energy to spam with SS. If the lack of physicals is your concern, realize that minions can use them to a good extent so long as you place them correctly.
I think Anguish is horrible and I'd rather take Disenchantment, but that's up to you. I think the damage is already enough from what you posted.
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway
But I replace the communing rit hero with one that synergizes with SoS using similar principles to:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Dual_Spirit_Spam
Then have another restoration healer with spirit spihon and a MM. I like the idea, but I have a few problems with the Dual Spirit Spam build you present.
First off is Vampirism on the Channeling Rit. It would be much better off on the SoGM.
Next is Boon of Creation. It doesn't matter if the other rit has a Siphon Spirit. There are so many spirits that you should be gaining all the energy you possibly need. BoC is so much worse than Siphon. Heal is negligible and BoC can be removed. Such a high channeling on the SoGM for Siphon Spirit is also unnecessary. There is so much spirit and potential energy, that some of the att points should go to spawning.
Your minion bomber should be /Mo for Aegis and PS. They are both so good in HM and should be a staple unless you have high damage mitigation from something like E/Mo infuser or imbagon.
GDW and/or Splinter Weapon are not present on the Channeling Rit. With such high spawning plus extra slots, why are they not staple? GDW would be extended to a long 30 second duration. It's is relatively easy to keep it up on 2 different physicals and still have the energy to spam with SS. If the lack of physicals is your concern, realize that minions can use them to a good extent so long as you place them correctly.
I think Anguish is horrible and I'd rather take Disenchantment, but that's up to you. I think the damage is already enough from what you posted.
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
I like the idea, but I have a few problems with the Dual Spirit Spam build you present.
First off is Vampirism on the Channeling Rit. It would be much better off on the SoGM. Vampirism would, of course, be carried by the rit human character if needed, since it is a PvE skill.
Quote: Next is Boon of Creation. It doesn't matter if the other rit has a Siphon Spirit. There are so many spirits that you should be gaining all the energy you possibly need. BoC is so much worse than Siphon. Heal is negligible and BoC can be removed. Such a high channeling on the SoGM for Siphon Spirit is also unnecessary. There is so much spirit and potential energy, that some of the att points should go to spawning. Agree, I dont use BoC. I have Spirit Siphon on all 3 rits.
Actually I dont use SoGM either because SoGM only affects your own spirits, so I use Wanderlust instead.
I like the idea, but I have a few problems with the Dual Spirit Spam build you present.First off is Vampirism on the Channeling Rit. It would be much better off on the SoGM. Vampirism would, of course, be carried by the rit human character if needed, since it is a PvE skill.
Quote: Next is Boon of Creation. It doesn't matter if the other rit has a Siphon Spirit. There are so many spirits that you should be gaining all the energy you possibly need. BoC is so much worse than Siphon. Heal is negligible and BoC can be removed. Such a high channeling on the SoGM for Siphon Spirit is also unnecessary. There is so much spirit and potential energy, that some of the att points should go to spawning. Agree, I dont use BoC. I have Spirit Siphon on all 3 rits.
Actually I dont use SoGM either because SoGM only affects your own spirits, so I use Wanderlust instead.
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Your minion bomber should be /Mo for Aegis and PS. They are both so good in HM and should be a staple unless you have high damage mitigation from something like E/Mo infuser or imbagon.
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Originally Posted by Daesu
Vampirism would, of course, be carried by the rit human character if needed, since it is a PvE skill.
Since both builds had Summon Spirits, I assumed that they were both meant for humans.
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Vampirism would, of course, be carried by the rit human character if needed, since it is a PvE skill.
Since both builds had Summon Spirits, I assumed that they were both meant for humans.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
Since both builds had Summon Spirits, I assumed that they were both meant for humans.
For that specific pvx build (dual spirit spam) yes, but I only quoted that build to extract the general principles in answer to the OP's question of a hero group for his rit.
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Since both builds had Summon Spirits, I assumed that they were both meant for humans.
For that specific pvx build (dual spirit spam) yes, but I only quoted that build to extract the general principles in answer to the OP's question of a hero group for his rit.Quote:
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I don't like any offensive spirit builds for heroes other than the channeling rit because heroes have no sense of position and cannot carry their spirits around. In the end, its too much of a hassle.
In practise that is not much of a problem since most areas are open in pve. In the rare situations, you can still micro the hero. Quote:
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