Hi guys... I got suspended from guild wars about 8 days ago... anyways... it said I got suspended for scamming. Well I contacted NC Soft and 5 days later... they told me why I got suspended. I will include the entire message about it. Basically they reviewed the game logs. I was bored that day and said WTS Frozen ecto thaws into real ecto... I was kidding anyways. I did not scam anyone trading them frozen ecto. Besides I did not have any frozen ecto in inventory. Anyways this is what they told me:
Hello,
After reviewing the incident and associated game logs it appears that you have violated the "Rules of Conduct" by attempting to sell Frozen Globs of Ectos as items that could be thawed and turned into real Ectos. This is known as defrauding and is a violation of the Rules of Conduct. Any violation of the Rules of Conduct will result in a mark placed on your account. Each mark will suspend your account for a given period of time. Subsequent marks against your account can cause longer suspensions. Account marks will expire after a period of time. Therefore, you can clear your account of marks, and remove the risk of lengthy suspensions, simply by observing the Rules of Conduct and the User Agreement.
For your convenience, more information regarding our "Rules of Conduct" and "Conduct Breaches & Outcomes" are available at the URLs listed below.
- Rules of Conduct: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
- Conduct Breaches & Outcomes: http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...d_outcomes.php
Regards,
GM Lemoncobra
The Guild Wars Support Team
I thought you could only get suspended for fraud for actually scamming someone into something (in trade). I did not know you could get suspended for typing something that you did not mean true.
I replied back and told them I was kidding. Just for typing that and being bored that day... got me suspended for 15 days.
7 more days to go... why would this be considered scamming or fraud?
Suspended for Fraud?
Braxton619
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this is what happens when carebears are allowed to FREELY /report.
Odinius
Ouch lol, maybe reported by someone who got scammed this way :P
Anyway, Nick needs bad drops and Canthan New Year isn't here yet so no real harm done
Anyway, Nick needs bad drops and Canthan New Year isn't here yet so no real harm done
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it would be nice to have a transaction query done and then have the person who /reported you equally banned as well.
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Braxton619
7 more days to go... why would this be considered scamming or fraud?
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Kumu Honua
You got suspended for the same reason that those who "WTB Runescape Accounts!" get suspended. You might not have scammed someone but you were trying.
So they nipped it in the bud. Suspended your account.
Really, how do you expect them to tell the difference between a scumbag scammer, and some poorly thought out joke? I'd rather they suspend all jokes than to let one scammer continue to fish for suckers.
Learn from your mistake. Don't scam and don't even joke scam.
So they nipped it in the bud. Suspended your account.
Really, how do you expect them to tell the difference between a scumbag scammer, and some poorly thought out joke? I'd rather they suspend all jokes than to let one scammer continue to fish for suckers.
Learn from your mistake. Don't scam and don't even joke scam.
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
Because it's a common scam that's been around since frozen ectos came into existence. And there's no way to tell if you were "just kidding" or not. (because it's so easy to say after the fact.)
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Fay Vert
Low level punishment for a low level offence. Somebody probably reported you based on your advert, support did minimum to confirm the report, job done. Support simply don't have the resource to do more, nor should they. Just a joke that backfired on you.
MisterB
NCSoft is punishing intent rather than actual action now? I need to stop posting my WTS Tengu staff ads in trade then. New players occasionally offer to sell armor. Let's all start reporting them, guys.
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If I were to go to L.A./Spamadan and sell ecto cheap, claiming they'd turn into frozen ecto....
AmbientMelody
Seems like game masters have no sense of humour or the support staff ...
I mean, you can't take something like that seriously.
You know what, it's great idea!
I will go to Spamadan now and write 'WTtrade my globes of epic plasm for ectos!'.
Let's see what happens.
Someone join me?
I mean, you can't take something like that seriously.
You know what, it's great idea!
I will go to Spamadan now and write 'WTtrade my globes of epic plasm for ectos!'.
Let's see what happens.
Someone join me?
Zahr Dalsk
If anyone honestly fell for that trick, they deserve it. It is called the Stupid Tax.
Unjust ban.
Unjust ban.
kupp
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If anyone honestly fell for that trick, they deserve it. It is called the Stupid Tax.
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The 'Stupid Tax' is bullshit. But I'm trying to reason with someone who thinks scaming gives you unjust bans so hey.
Braxton619
Yeah it sucks to get suspended for not scamming someone...
/sigh
/sigh
Default137
Thing is, how does NCSoft know your not a Scammer?
Apparently, putting up "Selling Frozen Ecto! They thaw into Regular Ecto!" has been a scam for a decent amount of time no? You get people to buy your Frozen Ecto for slightly less then normal Ecto, and then they get screwed with a crappy purchase, because they are new to the game, or don't read forums, or only know Ecto is important, but don't know its only globs.
You were doing all the same things scammers would do to try and scam people, other then perhaps having the Frozen Ecto in your inventory, so what exactly makes you any different from them? I'm sure alot of scammers email back NCsoft Support and try to pull the "Aww man it was only a joke, I wasn't REALLY going to scam them!" approach.
I mean, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......
Apparently, putting up "Selling Frozen Ecto! They thaw into Regular Ecto!" has been a scam for a decent amount of time no? You get people to buy your Frozen Ecto for slightly less then normal Ecto, and then they get screwed with a crappy purchase, because they are new to the game, or don't read forums, or only know Ecto is important, but don't know its only globs.
You were doing all the same things scammers would do to try and scam people, other then perhaps having the Frozen Ecto in your inventory, so what exactly makes you any different from them? I'm sure alot of scammers email back NCsoft Support and try to pull the "Aww man it was only a joke, I wasn't REALLY going to scam them!" approach.
I mean, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......
Coney
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this is what happens when carebears are allowed to FREELY /report.
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I mean, wtf, this guy got suspended when no trade even occurred? Just for saying something in chat (not even cursing or inflamatory)?
I can only imagine what would happen if these carebears started hanging out in GToB - you'd get literally 15 /reports per hour, per district...
How about all those jackasses who "WTB/S a life" in any major district... Time to ride the ban wagon, uber /report time!!!
MisterB
Assume trade logs exist.
If: No trade with frozen ecto occurs from player advertising sale in chat,
Then: ?
1. Suspend! He's a scammer! Burn the witch!
2. No trade occurred. Issue a warning, or ignore report.
If: No trade with frozen ecto occurs from player advertising sale in chat,
Then: ?
1. Suspend! He's a scammer! Burn the witch!
2. No trade occurred. Issue a warning, or ignore report.
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I could see like maybe a 24h warning ban or something...but 15 days. that's raw. real raw. especially if the account has never been flagged before.
Martin Firestorm
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No doubt!
I mean, wtf, this guy got suspended when no trade even occurred? Just for saying something in chat (not even cursing or inflamatory)? I can only imagine what would happen if these carebears started hanging out in GToB - you'd get literally 15 /reports per hour, per district... How about all those jackasses who "WTB/S a life" in any major district... Time to ride the ban wagon, uber /report time!!! |
Its pretty hard to tell just kidding from a scam that simply didn't produce a victim yet from reading logs. Cursing is a separate issue--you're comparing apples and oranges. Do you really think the carebears don't go to GToB? Why, because its the leet pvp hub? Its also where you get daily zaishen missions.
Braxton619
Guys what should I do? I told NCSOFT to review it. I DID NOT trade anyone frozen ectoplasm! I DID NOT SCAM ANYONE.
15 days is total harsh... Regina please reply to this thread.
I am a old player and love GW! However, I think this is too far.
15 days is total harsh... Regina please reply to this thread.
I am a old player and love GW! However, I think this is too far.
Mercesa
Rofl I also would've reported you, So you call me a carebear so what ? I try to better the community not destroy It with stupid jokes.
The ban was In proper use If you would've said JUST KIDDING at the end I would've understand but this ? Rofl you really must be ...... for thinking not getting banned for THAT lol, You could've easily be a real scammer, It means take the doubt and even IF you are Innocent then so what ?
Your own stupid fault.
If you never would have said that In the first place It wouldn't have happend.
The ban was In proper use If you would've said JUST KIDDING at the end I would've understand but this ? Rofl you really must be ...... for thinking not getting banned for THAT lol, You could've easily be a real scammer, It means take the doubt and even IF you are Innocent then so what ?
Your own stupid fault.
If you never would have said that In the first place It wouldn't have happend.
Bob Slydell
Game run by Carebears + Boredom Joke Post in Local Chat
Sadly, in this game state right now, the above doesn't mix.
Sadly, in this game state right now, the above doesn't mix.
Braxton619
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Rofl I also would've reported you, So you call me a carebear so what ? I try to better the community not destroy It with stupid jokes.
The ban was In proper use If you would've said JUST KIDDING at the end I would've understand but this ? Rofl you really must be ...... for thinking not getting banned for THAT lol, You could've easily be a real scammer, It means take the doubt and even IF you are Innocent then so what ? Your own stupid fault. If you never would have said that In the first place It wouldn't have happend. |
I feel this is way too harsh. I really hope ncsoft will review it.
Kumu Honua
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No doubt!
I mean, wtf, this guy got suspended when no trade even occurred? Just for saying something in chat (not even cursing or inflamatory)? |
If a few joke scams gets caught in the dragnet, so be it.
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I could see like maybe a 24h warning ban or something...but 15 days. that's raw. real raw. especially if the account has never been flagged before.
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kupp
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Yeah it sucks to get suspended for not scamming someone...
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superraptors
its fraud because your falsely advertising something that is not true whether it meant no harm or not
suck it up, you should have known better
suck it up, you should have known better
Braxton619
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That is definitely not what you said with that post. So tough luck.
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These 15 days are sure going fast. >_>
Eragon Zarroc
lol, sorry bout ur luck ;-) looks like u will find more productive things to do the next time u are bored
kupp
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Pretty much true what I said. How did I scam someone when I did not scam someone in any matter? I say its thanks to ANET's support and random noobs in Kamadan.
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As for your situation, anyone can easily see the intention to scam regardless if you're just kidding or not because they won't know. The folks behind the ban hammer are no different and they sure as hell don't think twice to hit you with it if they're seeing that kind of behaviour. They're not at fault because even though you were joking you were still doing something you shouldn't, and it keeps every scamer who tries to scam and fails to walk around because they haven't actually been busted after the act was done. And honestly I like it better that way. Try walking into a bank waving a gun around, and after that try telling everyone you were just joking. You'll have your ass thrown in jail regardless.
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I know some way better scams Brax. if you're going to get banned you may as well actually do something worthwhile.
next time you are bored, just ask, not spam.."can sum1 plz gief me munnies to open mah storage" do that across a few districts/outposts/campaigns for like 30 min at a time, with different characters.
next time you are bored, just ask, not spam.."can sum1 plz gief me munnies to open mah storage" do that across a few districts/outposts/campaigns for like 30 min at a time, with different characters.
Kerwyn Nasilan
Why is support dealing with this as opposed to, oh you know, all the hacked accounts...
Introverted Dimensions
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why would this be considered scamming or fraud?
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Can't really blame them for carrying out the appropriate actions. You're lucky that its not a perm ban.
Polgara Val
Bottom line is you shouldent have falsely advertised for items which clearly look like a scam, the other 200 people in kamadan have no idea if you where joking around or not, hence the person who reported you probably felt like you were scamming people.
Lesson is dont do it again, thats all there is to it. Also in my opinion this thread should be closed if it turns into flamewars, the lad will learn from his mistake.
Pol
Lesson is dont do it again, thats all there is to it. Also in my opinion this thread should be closed if it turns into flamewars, the lad will learn from his mistake.
Pol
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I know some way better scams Brax. if you're going to get banned you may as well actually do something worthwhile.
next time you are bored, just ask, not spam.."can sum1 plz gief me munnies to open mah storage" do that across a few districts/outposts/campaigns for like 30 min at a time, with different characters. |
Bob Slydell
I scammed people out the ass on Diablo 2.....ah those fun ol' days.
Anyways, I'm sorta taking Braxton's side here.
The thing is, he did something..that most people do anyway. People give out misleading information about things all the time, most don't know what they are talking about, and others are telling jokes for lulz, either way...there is no way to tell.
Braxton gained NO benefit from this whatsoever (according to his post) and NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE was harmed by it either.
And I swear if anyone quotes me and says "well some people might believe it" I'll tell you...No, go punch in Frozen Ecto on one of the TWO wikis at GW players' disposal and read the page yourself. There is no reason for anyone to be stupid when there are two wikis.
Yup, same thing I did a few times on Diablo 2 to get leetz gearz...but today...in GW are you sure someone just wont report you for begging and then anet reviews that you didn't get banned and THEN you get banned? Oldest trick in the book though.
Anyways, I'm sorta taking Braxton's side here.
The thing is, he did something..that most people do anyway. People give out misleading information about things all the time, most don't know what they are talking about, and others are telling jokes for lulz, either way...there is no way to tell.
Braxton gained NO benefit from this whatsoever (according to his post) and NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE was harmed by it either.
And I swear if anyone quotes me and says "well some people might believe it" I'll tell you...No, go punch in Frozen Ecto on one of the TWO wikis at GW players' disposal and read the page yourself. There is no reason for anyone to be stupid when there are two wikis.
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I'd like to add to this. also make sure to state you were recently hacked as well (all "toonz" deleted). that will net you bonus $$$$. I know people who've had upwards of 20k given to them.
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Braxton619
Yes I know. If you got suspended for posting that in cities.. I think tons of people in kamadan would be banned. I wish they reviewed trade transactions......
Zahr Dalsk
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A long time ago when I started playing GW, around the time Wintersday came around I started hearing about these little things called ecto's that were worth plenty of money. To my suprised I got frozen ecto's on my own and got all excited thinking I had to do was unfreeze them and get regular ecto's. I wasn't stupid, just didn't know much about the game. Now should I get ripped off of my very little wealth because I fell for something that I had no knowledge about?
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Yup, same thing I did a few times on Diablo 2 to get leetz gearz...but today...in GW are you sure someone just wont report you for begging and then anet reviews that you didn't get banned and THEN you get banned? Oldest trick in the book though.
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I'm sure some people will start getting /reported for begging though. lulz.
snowman relic
ok dont get my wrong im usually one who does stupid stuff like that for fun and yea carebears need to backoff but its false in advertisement even if it was for fun i guess u hit the unlucky jackpot
karlik
Did the offer end with lol or just kidding? If not, there's no way to know if you were kidding or really trying to scam. Just because someone says "I didn't do it" doesn't mean they didn't do it.
If I saw someone I thought was really trying to that, I'd report 'em too.
If I saw someone I thought was really trying to that, I'd report 'em too.