Blinding Surge [Needs Toning Down]

/signed, but not convinced

Yes it's good in RA and annoying, but just don't mob?

Oh, if they're nerfing b.surge. Better nerf empathy and insidious parasite as well (oh and KD, illusion of pain, rangers, mesmers and healers. they're all annoying right?).

It's not about mobbing, it's about permanently keeping meleers shut down/out of play all because the ele pressed "1" on the number pad repeatedly throughout the entire match. Taking condition removal spells on you sacrifice kd utility, forces you to waste your time NOT ATTACKING, and drains your e-pool eventually [and Antidote Signet takes too long to cast, whereas the B.Surger has a 40/40 set to re-apply blind [and possibly weakness on you] in half the time].

Empathy takes a little over a second to cast [hence ruptible] and I could at least deal damage through it; Parasite is 15e, so it's not exactly spammable unless you have Cultist's Fervor stapled to your bar [OW8 they're nerfing that elite, too! LOL]; IoP is slightly OP'd [I think that giving it a 12-20 second recharge would've fixed that just fine]; Rangers and Mesmers can be annoying, but Mesmers don't have any damage if they spend their skill bar on no-damage rupts in a 4v4 platform, and Rangers have minimal damage and can be killed if you have some stance removals like Wild Blow on a derv. or Whirling Axe on a warr. [8v8 is a different ballgame because your have up to 7 others to help you take down targets, and it's all organized/coordinated via Ventrilo most of the time]. Healers have alot of stances in RA, but again.. WB, WA, etc.. [and at least you can somewhat damage/counter them compared to B.Surge].

B.Surge on the other hand = Balognie 1-1-1-1-1 Permablind. By the time you've spent your energy removing it on yourself, it's re-applied and your team's about dead after a minute or two.

b surge is 5 energy and could spread blind with a 2 adrenaline ranged attack and shut down multiple melee players, b surge isn't nearly as strong. and only sins, mesmers, and necros can strip enchantments, sins never use enchant stripping skills in ra, mesmers can only strip one at a time and necros are the only class that can completely get rid of enchants, which made EDA a hell of a lot worse than b surge. get your shit straight before you try to compare those 2.

Under that theory... blinding flash is just as OP.

Surge is just powerful because of the AoE. That's it.

Best nerf would probably be to just restore the enchantment requirement.

The best blinders also do NOT jab the 1 button throughout the match. I guessing you've never actually played one. It's more like 1-2 (damage skill) tab to another melee/ranged phyiscal 1 (3 other damage skill) tab back.

If you are hitting one target with your blind skill on recharge, you are a bad ele. You should be using blind to keep 2 targets perminately blinded the entire fight, not just one.

I mean... if all you are complaining about is the blindness and not the AoE blind and the damage, it'd be no different from blinding flash, which really does function identically on the bar.

PS I usually have my blind on slot 8, not 1 but meh

You forgot the dervish, and I already knew the rest. I’m just using the same jargon that other guru posters fed me when I objected to EDA prior to it being declared on Anet’s nerflist. Asking necros, mesmers, sins and/or dervishes to staple deep/excess enchantment removal and dedicate themselves to stripping EDA Dervishes is identical to asking warriors, sins, para’s, dervishes and rangers (rangers already do though, so no point in mentioning them) to staple M./P.Touch, Antidote Signet, SbS, etc. onto their bars just to cope with Bullsh*t Surge. Although EDA was decimally harsher than B.Surge, it was similarly as counterable. So if EDA’s being subject to the nerfbat, why not it’s Evil Twin? It baffles me how they can let one spell, which essentially takes meleer(s) out of play, run rampant in 4v4 arenas. I understand that it’s futile to use it in 8v8, but 4v4 meleers have no choice but to throw in the towel upon seeing a B.Surge ele [especially when coupled with Empathy mesmers]. All I’m asking for is toning it down so that it doesn’t shut down meleers soooooo [1-1-1-1-1-1] easily that a 3 year old can mash buttons for me.

Urite about B.Flash; that’s why if they tone down B.Surge, then both of them on the same bar will have a permablind effect, but since B.Flash has no damage it won’t pose as great a threat as having 4s recharge on B.Surge and subbing B.Flash for L.Orb, L.Bolt, etc. Understand what I’m saying? And you know what I mean by 1-1-1-1-1 I hope. Theoretically, you can probably get away with going into RA with just that one skill on your skill slot [in slot 1; but it doesn’t matter where you put it!-.-] and actually win. It just depends on the opposition and how dumb/retarded they are, really. I don’t mind the damage from B.Surge, but I do mind the fact that it can take a physical attacker entirely out of play, all by pressing whatever button related to its “skill slot”/”associated key” is assigned it to [no matter where it is on your skill bar]. It’s terribly OP’d; only luck of the draw using d.chop/shock, or blatantly incautious air ele will aid you in winning vs. this 1-1-1-1 OP’d spell.



C'mon bro... use your head.

you can deal with b surge on a regular shock axe skillbar. you're just bad. please stop whining and get good.

You forgot to mention LUCK you 1337ist troll you.. <3

I tried your P.Block approach. I P.Blocked and d.chopped B.Surge once each, but he also had B.Flash; still lost to the b.surger, a regular shock axe war, domination mesmer and WoH monk [dual stanced]. My team had a Monk, a curses necro, a P.Strike assassin and myself [p.block axe war as you prescribed]. So your theorycraft failed.

RA is so random anyway that they might as well replace the whole thing with a die roll. Same effect.

i'm not "leetist", nor am i trolling. but most of the time, b surge eles are predictable enough for it to be shocked reliably, and as said before, you are bad and would rather beg for a nerf. get comfortable losing.

I agree with Regulus. Like already mentioned in the other thread, since Anet already admitted that ranged blind spam is a problem in 4v4, why are they only looking at EDA when the other extremely obvious problem lies in B.Surge? Yes we all know this is Anet we're talking about, but still.

Also, B.Surge doesn't only shut down melee, but also rangers and paragons. That's 5/10 classes, with 1 skill. Very frustrating. And for those who thinks that 4v4 is not "real" pvp, perhaps they should take note that there are probably more RA'ers than GvG'ers/HA'ers. On a final note, there are so many counters against physicals, that in a 4v4 environment they can be neutralized extremely easily.

I'll ragequit Guild Wars before I get comfortable accepting loss on the regular [haven't quit yet; have I? That's tellin' ya somethin' :P]. Get comfortable trolling because in the end? Uratroll, a 1337ist, and a LIAR for denying you're a troll despite proving it on your last and current posts. You talk like you win vs. B.Surgers 100% of the time when you know you probably get licked nearly every time you vs. them. At least I admit my occasional losses; you just flaunt like you own shit when you really don't. Matter of fact, I wouldn't doubt it if you were one of the shitters [ab]using B.Surge in Random Arenas!

Mending Touch may be an energy drain, but only if you are spamming it. If you use it wisely, it removes the blind and allows you to kill the Ele. Blinding Surge has a recharge, they have to wait to use it again. Even if they get the half recharge on their 40/40 they still have to wait. Mending Touch activates quite fast. Wait til they blind you, Mend Touch it, then smack them silly. You should have knockdowns and interrupts, so the recast should be fairly easy to deal with. And as mentioned, interrupting a 3/4 cast isn't THAT hard if you know HOW.

Seriously, have you considered the fact that there are people who get by playing melee against those same Ele's you can't get past? Maybe learn how they do it.

We all know how to counter B.Surge in theory, but when you have to rely on so much more skill/luck than an opponent who's using only 1 skill (that can shut down 5/10 classes!), that would be considered "over-centralizing" the meta-game and should naturally lead to nerfing the said skill in question. I don't see why you guys are so rigorously defending such an obvious problem that Anet admitted themselves. And it's not like a nerf like this hasn't been done before.

QFT. Let's compare the ease of using ONE ELITE SKILL [B.Surge] vs. D.Chop/Shock + D.Chop/M.Touch, and basically your ENTIRE SKILLBAR for the matter shall we?



IAS: Straight off the gw wiki, you have a 3/4th cast time [b.surge] vs a 1.33s d.chop, so the ONLY WAY you're going to land your D.Chop SKILLFULLY is while IASed with Frenzy/P.Rage/WoA [25-33%] because otherwise you're using pure LUCK as your medium to stopping B.Surge, and you'd better PRAY to all the f*cking GODS of Guild Wars that they don't spike you while Frenzied/P.Raged because you'll be blinded/empathied/attacked mercilessly just as soon as they catch you entering the stance!

vs. 40/40: B.Surge + 40/40 = 3.75s B.Surges [AGAIN, even while in IAS, rupting a B.Surge affected by 40/40 HCT is pure, raw LUCK. It's ridiculously EASY to use [especially with a 40/40 fast cast set!

Other Sources to Deal With: Weakness [see above B.Surge Template? Enfeeble is the main one/a staple to B.Surge bars in RA 4v4], Empathy, Faintheartedness, Block Stances and Disabling Skills/Attacks [S.Bash, Bonetti's, D.Shot, Savage Shot, Riposte, etc.. I see them almost all the time!] Man, I could go ALL DAY LONG with this shit!

In Conclusion: You and Apathetic Tom [no offense, so don't take this to heart] are FULL OF SHIT. [Again, don't take it to heart and go reporting it to all the admin on guru because this is just a raw, blunt reflection of what I'm feeling inside, okay?], and B.Surge needs toning down!

Re-reading your post, I forgot to comment on a LOLworthy part of your arguement: So you're telling me that, with B.Surge having a 2-4 second recharge [2 being if their 40/40 kicks in], you're not going to be LOL spamming it?!?!

Does anybody else see where I'm getting at with this comment?

!*(^$)&@%^)$&T OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO F*CKING SPAM IT! It's 2-4 seconds cast time [again.. 2 seconds if affected by 40/40 HSR]!!!!

Damnit, the modern version of Bsurge is more powerful than the old version that had to be nerfed because it was so powerful. What has changed since then is that people are more used to using the double blind reduction combo (rune + shield) and far more used to removing conditions from warriors on spikes.

The reason people are able to 'deal' with Bsurge right now is part better play and part what condition equipment did to the game. Condition equipment nerfed the duration of every single condition inflicting skill. Now we are in a state of the game where careful timing of skill use is largely overshadowed by repetitive skill use. Between reduced condition durations combined with easier direct condition removal, spammable is the most important attribute of any skill that inflicts a condition. Gone are the old days where Bflash saw play, that skill simply cannot keep up in today's game. Gone are the old days where even after it was increased to 15 energy crippling shot was still the only ranger elite.

Rock paper scissors.

You want paper to beat scissors.

You are complaining a skill bar designed to counter melee characters... counters melee characters.

u mad? u will make me wanna play ra again only with bsurge bar just to face against you and make u rip your hair off your head. give me ign please and times when you play

ps: you agree that ranger can dshot/megabane bsurge but a mesmer cant pblock it every time? wtf?

Actualy - he is right. Only a person with fail build, skills (not skils in his build but the being-a-good-player type of skills) and equipment, can make a QQ thread , about a skill which is not so OP AT ALL. Whan I play my warrior and there is a b-surge against me, I simply put my blind-reduce shield, go near the ele, w8 for the moment when he starts casting his leet and BANG use my interrupt skill (its different, depending on the build) I dont miss because my blind ends b4 he can recast it. So, I dont see whats ur problem? U either have to L2P or just want to QQ about a smth.

If you don't like people thinking you're bad at the game, don't post in Sardelac. You could have the greatest, most valid suggestion in the world, but someone is always going to come along and call it, and you, a worthless piece of crap.

It's also worth noting that if almost everyone in a thread disagrees with you, you might want to start listening to them after awhile.

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