Well like the title said, i'm having a hard time deciding on 3 pve skills to use on my N/A AP nuker .
Atm, i'm using EVAS, Necrosis and Mindbender.
which do you think i should swap out ?
which 3 pve skill is the most useful/best ?
Lusciious
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Swap mindbender for Finish Him!
Kumu Honua
Pain Inverter is always good against Bosses/AEers.
Dzjudz
I've done Legendary Guardian and I'm halfway done with Vanquishing on my E/A AP water ele.
I use You Move Like A Dwarf!, Pain Inverter and Finish Him!.
Synergy between AP and YMLAD with discord heroes is great.
Pain Inverter > PvE
I used EVAS before, but PI hits a lot harder in my experience (except of course in the Charr infested areas).
I use You Move Like A Dwarf!, Pain Inverter and Finish Him!.
Synergy between AP and YMLAD with discord heroes is great.
Pain Inverter > PvE
I used EVAS before, but PI hits a lot harder in my experience (except of course in the Charr infested areas).
Lusciious
yeah i'm gonna go get FH. Most likely i'll drop Mindbender for this .
Personally i prefer necrosis over YMLAD because armour ignoring damage is very nice . i only see YMLAD as a knocklock with EVAS .
The only reason i need FH is because sometimes AP gets stripped which is not nice .
EVAS + FH + option . say necrosis in normal areas, PI against bosses, YMLAD if i need a knock lock ?
Personally i prefer necrosis over YMLAD because armour ignoring damage is very nice . i only see YMLAD as a knocklock with EVAS .
The only reason i need FH is because sometimes AP gets stripped which is not nice .
EVAS + FH + option . say necrosis in normal areas, PI against bosses, YMLAD if i need a knock lock ?
Cuilan
As much as I like Pain Inverter, it's a big damage but not now skill on a kill now bar. I hope that makes sense? By Ural's Hammer with Mindbender on an AP bar will mean you can keep damage up and your speed while you smash face.
Atro
As a necro I run Finish Him, Pain Inverter, and EVAS [maybe YMLad], I like these three because I usually take barbs with this build and the assassin does some pretty hefty damage [also bringing a minion master barbs is crazy], Pain Inverter because it also does some pretty hefty damage, put it on an ele, ranger, or warrior and you see big popping up on ur screen like crazy and FH for the deep wound also does a good amount of damage.
Grim Aragorn
technobubble=) + silencing mod > Pain inverter
Saph
Pain Inverter is always on my bar. Best skill in the game imo. Other skills depend on what profession I'm using, but I use Air of Superiority and Mindbender the most.
cognophile
My 3 favorite?
How about "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", Pain Inverter, Necrosis, Great Dwarf Weapon, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, the Asura summons, Club of a Thousand Bears, Brawling Headbutt, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, "Save Yourselves!", "There's Nothing to Fear!", Aura of Holy Might, and Eternal Aura.
On N/A with Assassin's Promise, I'd take "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", and Necrosis.
How about "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", Pain Inverter, Necrosis, Great Dwarf Weapon, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, the Asura summons, Club of a Thousand Bears, Brawling Headbutt, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, "Save Yourselves!", "There's Nothing to Fear!", Aura of Holy Might, and Eternal Aura.
On N/A with Assassin's Promise, I'd take "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", and Necrosis.
Wyndy
pain inverter, necrosis, evas.
chowmein69
I use Sin support , finish him and you move like dwarve
HigherMinion
Three Favourite PvE skills:
By Ulral's Hammer! The damage is great, and good synergy in teams with players that sacrifice and infuse, etc. And AP of course.
Great Dwarf Weapon. Best Weapon spell ever; if spammed constantly on different physicals on your team, you'll be dealing 2x or 3x as much damage as a fire nuker, not to mention the knockdown effect is lol.
Mindbender. I get bored easily. I hate 2s> casting spells. <3 Mindbender!
By Ulral's Hammer! The damage is great, and good synergy in teams with players that sacrifice and infuse, etc. And AP of course.
Great Dwarf Weapon. Best Weapon spell ever; if spammed constantly on different physicals on your team, you'll be dealing 2x or 3x as much damage as a fire nuker, not to mention the knockdown effect is lol.
Mindbender. I get bored easily. I hate 2s> casting spells. <3 Mindbender!
Faure
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I use Sin support , finish him and you move like dwarve
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Tenebrae
YMLAD + EVAS/Techbabble + FH/PI for the N/A AP caller/Nuker.
karlik
pain inverter, ebon van sniper, you move like a dwarf.
ac1inferno
For N/A AP Nuker, definitely [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] and [["Finish Him!"]. Those two and the last one is optional:
- [[Mindbender]
- [[Technobabble]
- [[Great Dwarf Weapon]
- maybe even [[Sunspear Rebirth Signet]
- [[Mindbender]
- [[Technobabble]
- [[Great Dwarf Weapon]
- maybe even [[Sunspear Rebirth Signet]
Xenomortis
EVAS is pretty much a core part of my N/A AP-MoP build and so never leaves the bar. The remaining two PvE slots goes to 2 of:
YMLAD, Finish Him, Mindbender, By Ural's Hammer.
If I'm H/Hing I typically take YMLAD and Mindbender. The former is a useful utility knock-down in case my called target tries to run away and Mindbender helps speed up casting times (especially for Barbs).
BuH increases MoPs damage into the 50s and hence is a sizable boost to your total damage output.
Finish Him is basically a spike to make sure the target dies when you put AP on them.
You can take Technobabble if you really want the dazed to deal with casters. I've never really bothered with it but it might be worth a try when H/Hing if HM Eles prove annoying.
With AP, Necrosis is pretty much inferior to YMLAD and Finish Him. It disrupts your casting and the damage is really only something on the side that won't speed things up by a great degree. It has no utility function either.
If you need Pain Inverter then you're doing it wrong.
YMLAD, Finish Him, Mindbender, By Ural's Hammer.
If I'm H/Hing I typically take YMLAD and Mindbender. The former is a useful utility knock-down in case my called target tries to run away and Mindbender helps speed up casting times (especially for Barbs).
BuH increases MoPs damage into the 50s and hence is a sizable boost to your total damage output.
Finish Him is basically a spike to make sure the target dies when you put AP on them.
You can take Technobabble if you really want the dazed to deal with casters. I've never really bothered with it but it might be worth a try when H/Hing if HM Eles prove annoying.
With AP, Necrosis is pretty much inferior to YMLAD and Finish Him. It disrupts your casting and the damage is really only something on the side that won't speed things up by a great degree. It has no utility function either.
If you need Pain Inverter then you're doing it wrong.
Lord Dagon
i gotta say EVAS, PI, and By urualls hammer.. best damadging skills in the game i think.
Lusciious
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
EVAS is pretty much a core part of my N/A AP-MoP build and so never leaves the bar. The remaining two PvE slots goes to 2 of:
YMLAD, Finish Him, Mindbender, By Ural's Hammer. If I'm H/Hing I typically take YMLAD and Mindbender. The former is a useful utility knock-down in case my called target tries to run away and Mindbender helps speed up casting times (especially for Barbs). BuH increases MoPs damage into the 50s and hence is a sizable boost to your total damage output. Finish Him is basically a spike to make sure the target dies when you put AP on them. You can take Technobabble if you really want the dazed to deal with casters. I've never really bothered with it but it might be worth a try when H/Hing if HM Eles prove annoying. With AP, Necrosis is pretty much inferior to YMLAD and Finish Him. It disrupts your casting and the damage is really only something on the side that won't speed things up by a great degree. It has no utility function either. If you need Pain Inverter then you're doing it wrong. |
So, FH is a 100% must have .
Well necrosis is might lighter on the energy and have a faster recharge .
what do most people use YMLAD for ? the KD ? or just to help trigger something ? When i tried using YMLAD (spamming whenever AP recharges it) instead of necrosis, i ran into quite a bit of energy problems even though i've 11 in soul reaping .
What i have in mind atm is EVAS, FH! and Mindbender.
Mindbender simply because barbs takes too long to cast and with that 50% faster cast speed, you can easily squeeze a 3/4 cast time of AP into someone whos about to die .
i like EVAS because sometimes minions die too easily to the AoE damage . I need that extra physical from somewhere including the 2-3 physical henchmen that i bring (usually 2 rangers) .
Do you guys prefer Mindbender or YMLAD ? Why ?
I don't see a need for technobabble when PI does the job much faster . killing the eles .
Dzjudz
Discord needs a hex and a condition (or enchant and condition, but it's usually hex and condition).
AP + YMLAD gives a hex and a condition at the same time if you cast them simultaneously. YMLAD does unconditional damage, only 10 less than necrosis at max rank. The KD and cripple is a nice benefit, especially since in PvE enemies are predictable so you can interrupt their first skill with YMLAD.
Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A.
Finish Him makes it easier for the minions to finish the kill and it does a lot of damage (80 + deep wound (which is usually 100) = 180).
AP + YMLAD gives a hex and a condition at the same time if you cast them simultaneously. YMLAD does unconditional damage, only 10 less than necrosis at max rank. The KD and cripple is a nice benefit, especially since in PvE enemies are predictable so you can interrupt their first skill with YMLAD.
Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A.
Finish Him makes it easier for the minions to finish the kill and it does a lot of damage (80 + deep wound (which is usually 100) = 180).
karlik
I've been doing a lot of HM vanquishing - after some trial and error I like everything YMLAD does - knockdown, fair damage, possible interrupt and slows those buggers down so we can hit 'em.
Arctica
My absolute favourites are YMLAD, EVAS and Pain Iverter.
However, I use Mindbender, Pain Inverter and "By Ural's Hammer" on my necro's bar. I usually run an SS-MoP build, which works great with Mindender and "By Ural's Hammer." And Pain Inverter is excellent for high damage bosses, and can work as a cover hex, if needed.
However, I use Mindbender, Pain Inverter and "By Ural's Hammer" on my necro's bar. I usually run an SS-MoP build, which works great with Mindender and "By Ural's Hammer." And Pain Inverter is excellent for high damage bosses, and can work as a cover hex, if needed.
aspi
Depends on mu character, my Necro always has necrosis, fast recharge and 5 nrg? It's a no brainer, pain inverter is very nice depending on the enemies ofcourse but in HM it is awesome. Against bosses like the great destroyer it just rocks.
EVAS is great too, but in HM some enemies can kill it pretty quick, but also can be used to have him take the first damage wave.
I used to have YMLAD on my bar but I see myself rather using the other three.
My warrior does not leave without whirlwind, my rit has splinter weapon, my necro mark of pain. Enemies are dead before they know it. Also use this for my ranger, sin and dervish
But I don't have any kurzick or luxon pve skills yet, I really gotta go further with factions :S
EVAS is great too, but in HM some enemies can kill it pretty quick, but also can be used to have him take the first damage wave.
I used to have YMLAD on my bar but I see myself rather using the other three.
My warrior does not leave without whirlwind, my rit has splinter weapon, my necro mark of pain. Enemies are dead before they know it. Also use this for my ranger, sin and dervish
But I don't have any kurzick or luxon pve skills yet, I really gotta go further with factions :S
Silmar Alech
It depends on the profession I play. On casters/ranged classes I almost always carry Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, along with Pain Inverter. The third one varies with the profession. On my a Necro and Ele it is Necrosis. On my Mesmer I carry Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare and leave out Pain Inverter. My monk uses only 2 pve skills: Selfless Spirit and Life Seed. My Ritualist as spirit spammer also only carries 2: Summon Spirits and Vampirism. Sometimes I add Great Dwarf Weapon. Warrior gets Whirlwind Attack, "I am unstoppable!" and a variable skill, for example Light of Deldrimor or more defense like Great Dwarf Armor.
Nechrond
I don't use any rank skills because they make me feel like a cheater, what with all of them being more broken than Jenna Jameson's hymen.
isildorbiafra
No love for SadowForm? Oo my bad; SF is not a skill. Its a build!
Xenomortis
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So, FH is a 100% must have .
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If you run both shouts with EVAS, you will notice your energy dropping (you gain less than you spend). A simple solution is to swap one of the shouts for Mindbender or BuH, or just not use both or EVAS if it isn't necessary.
I suggest everyone from about post #20 actually reads the opening post.
aspi
Note to self, read the opening post better.
Ah for a N/a assassins promise, I can't think why I should not bring FH and Necrosis.
While mindbender is nice I don't need this for my AP necro.
Ah for a N/a assassins promise, I can't think why I should not bring FH and Necrosis.
While mindbender is nice I don't need this for my AP necro.
Lusciious
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
No it isn't. As I said, I frequently don't have it.
If you run both shouts with EVAS, you will notice your energy dropping (you gain less than you spend). A simple solution is to swap one of the shouts for Mindbender or BuH, or just not use both or EVAS if it isn't necessary. I suggest everyone from about post #20 actually reads the opening post. |
I like FH! more than YMLAD . although the unconditional KD / snare is good, FH does up to 180 damage . i find 180 damage much easier to ensure an insta kill after i cast AP .
Riot Narita
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what do most people use YMLAD for ? the KD ? or just to help trigger something ?
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When i tried using YMLAD (spamming whenever AP recharges it) instead of necrosis, i ran into quite a bit of energy problems even though i've 11 in soul reaping.
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With a Discord team:
cast AP... call target with YMLAD... target is practically insta-gibbed by Discorders... repeat. With 10 in Deadly Arts, each kill gives you back the energy cost of AP + YMLAD...
Dzjudz
The problem with FH in an AP/discord team is that you can't instantly apply it, while you can with YMLAD. So if I had to choose 1 of the 2 shouts, I'd definitely go with YMLAD.
Lusciious
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guess your team isn't killing your AP target fast enough, or you're spending too much energy on other skills. With a Discord team: cast AP... call target with YMLAD... target is practically insta-gibbed by Discorders... repeat. With 10 in Deadly Arts, each kill gives you back the energy cost of AP + YMLAD... |
Usually this is how i cast . Target/call mob with Barbs/MoP and if another spell is needed, barbs/mop/rigor, then i'd cast EVAS and AP before hes about to die and shout finish him once i finish casting .
sometimes if the opponent is low on hp, i'll just cast EVAS, AP and FH!
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or were you talking about it only being able to work for foes under 50% hp ?
Dzjudz
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Yeah probably . i only had 2 discorders then . Also, isn't AP supposed to be used when the target is about to die and you ensures that AP doesnt get removed by using FH! ?
Usually this is how i cast . Target/call mob with Barbs/MoP and if another spell is needed, barbs/mop/rigor, then i'd cast EVAS and AP before hes about to die and shout finish him once i finish casting . sometimes if the opponent is low on hp, i'll just cast EVAS, AP and FH! FH! is a shout so why can't it be applied instantly ? o.o or were you talking about it only being able to work for foes under 50% hp ? |
You could do it as you say, cast Barbs/MoP and then a condition inflicting spell (like Enfeebling Blood), but if you cast AP+YMLAD, things go much faster, since the heroes can start casting Discord straight away. After the heroes use Discord and the foe is not dead, then it is time for FH.
Lusciious
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No, usually you apply AP and YMLAD right away so there's a hex and a condition on the foe so Discord can work. This is why FH isn't as effective, because you'd have to wait until the foe is below 50% hp.
You could do it as you say, cast Barbs/MoP and then a condition inflicting spell (like Enfeebling Blood), but if you cast AP+YMLAD, things go much faster, since the heroes can start casting Discord straight away. After the heroes use Discord and the foe is not dead, then it is time for FH. |
Cuilan
The curses attribute gives you access to many hexes like Mark of Pain, Rigor Mortis, and Barbs. Most areas hex removal isn't that bad even if it is existent.
Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar.
Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar.
Lusciious
Here is how I'd do it . Remember we have barbs which has a short recharge and an optional either weaken armour or enfeebling blood which also have short recharges . So in order to fill the requirements needed for discord , I'd use them instead of AP and YMLAD/enfeebling blood/weaken armour and cast ap before he's about to die and shout FH to ensure no ap removal .
Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help
Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help
Dzjudz
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what about hex removals ? i encounter quite alot of hex removals whenever i cast AP first . even if i try to cover it, in HM, monsters cast skills really quickly ..
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Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A.
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Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar.
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Or, what I also often do. If there's a group with a couple of eles and a monk for example, I cast PI on the ele and AP+YMLAD call on the monk, taking them both out at the same time.
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Here is how I'd do it . Remember we have barbs which has a short recharge and an optional either weaken armour or enfeebling blood which also have short recharges . So in order to fill the requirements needed for discord , I'd use them instead of AP and YMLAD/enfeebling blood/weaken armour and cast ap before he's about to die and shout FH to ensure no ap removal .
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Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help
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Lusciious
Shouting FH simultaneously with AP usually ensures an insta kil at roughly 30-40% hp
Lusciious
also,
this sounds like a good way to kill . i usually take EVAS over PI because i use barbs . Sometimes i don't like waiting for my necs to spam discord . i'd rather see some damage done now .
Should i drop EVAS for PI ? o.o
i see some hate for PI . look @ post 36 .
i have to test this out . if this is true, then YMLAD, EVAS / PI and FH! will be the main pve skills on my bar .
So EVAS or PI ?
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| Things are usually dead fast, within a few seconds. PI is insane damage in HM. AP+YMLAD on an ele, then while it's knocked down cast PI on it, it gets up and casts, gets the full blast of discord and PI, no chance. |
Should i drop EVAS for PI ? o.o
i see some hate for PI . look @ post 36 .
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| YMLAD instantly gives Cripple, not when the foe gets up (it's a bug). Therefore, casting AP and YMLAD simultaneously gives both a hex and a condition at the same time, you can't beat that even with Mindbender (remember, there are also aftercast delays that Mindbender doesn't affect). |
So EVAS or PI ?