PuGing bonus
Axel Zinfandel
You're idea is awesome but you're actual plan lacks.
drkn
it's not gw fault that people capable of completing the game on their own, and even running elite locations with heroes, are not interested in pugging. it's the pugs' fault. if the player base was more sophisticated, at least read the wiki and used brain, pugging would be much more interesting.
just take a look at pve guilds - they're full of human groups or even fully scheduled events so that people group up and do something together. because they know each other a bit, even if from GC, they can share their ideas and teach the newcomers. you know nothing about the pug you're in and rather more often you get a newbie monk, a leaver, a leecher or another idiot.
the general thing that kills pugging is no monthly fee - everyone can play it, including 13 y/o kids knowing nothing about the game (though elder people also tend to be idiots).
if you want to play with other people, join or create a guild.
just take a look at pve guilds - they're full of human groups or even fully scheduled events so that people group up and do something together. because they know each other a bit, even if from GC, they can share their ideas and teach the newcomers. you know nothing about the pug you're in and rather more often you get a newbie monk, a leaver, a leecher or another idiot.
the general thing that kills pugging is no monthly fee - everyone can play it, including 13 y/o kids knowing nothing about the game (though elder people also tend to be idiots).
if you want to play with other people, join or create a guild.
jazilla
I like your idea, but isn't it enough of a bonus to have 8 players who can all roll 3 EOTN skills each on their bar? That's 24 PVE only skills. I think it boils down to the fact that people want to run their party how they want to and don't want to deal with people. It's a sad state of affairs that people can roll through stuff more efficiently with their outfitted heroes than going all human. I like going with my alliance actually. Why don't people play with their alliances? Why PUG when you can play with people that you know and trust and have played with for 1-4 years lol? If they don't want to go, that's understandable, but this type of thing is to be expected from a game that has been out for almost 5 years. People know this game like the back of their hands and don't need PUG's messing with their formula for win.
BlackSephir
Why should there be a bonus for playing with idiots with bad skillbars?
Maybe you want a bonus for winning olympics using only your one leg? Or a chess tournament using only half of your brain?
A TROLL APPEARED
Actually pugging is dead because idiots without common sense bought GW. Before heroes people would just get 7 henches and in most cases they'd still get the job done.
Maybe you want a bonus for winning olympics using only your one leg? Or a chess tournament using only half of your brain?
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Cuilan
I don't think people realize that the pugs they were in failed also because of their lack of ability and communication skills (aka you). I'm sure a great percentage of H/Her's play alone so that others can't see their mistakes/bad builds.
Reverend Dr
I stopped pugging back in Prophecies because I realized I could complete multiple missions faster and more reliably using henchmen than trying to pug. The only time I pugged was when I got the fancy to play with people I knew were running bad builds.
Heroes just expediated the community's realization that there is not and has never been a reason to take the absolutely terribly players that bring groups down, nor is there reason to try to coordinate 8 random people when there are 7 bots perfectly willing to coordinate themselves around your playstyle.
There doesn't need to be a pug bonus, there needs to have never been either heroes, or henchmen, for pugs to continue to exist.
Heroes just expediated the community's realization that there is not and has never been a reason to take the absolutely terribly players that bring groups down, nor is there reason to try to coordinate 8 random people when there are 7 bots perfectly willing to coordinate themselves around your playstyle.
There doesn't need to be a pug bonus, there needs to have never been either heroes, or henchmen, for pugs to continue to exist.
Gennadios
GW has no subscription fee.
This made it the natural purchase of all the cretin 12 year olds who can't get their parents to buy them a WoW account because their grades suck.
There couldn't possibly be a bonus big enough to make me want to actually play with these people.
But really, if it happens, good for us all. My guild will get drop bonuses in DoA, all the VSFers and SC's out there will get extra reward for trying just as little... life will be grand.
This made it the natural purchase of all the cretin 12 year olds who can't get their parents to buy them a WoW account because their grades suck.
There couldn't possibly be a bonus big enough to make me want to actually play with these people.
But really, if it happens, good for us all. My guild will get drop bonuses in DoA, all the VSFers and SC's out there will get extra reward for trying just as little... life will be grand.
Trader of Secrets
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If needed people will form groups to do things, usually highend areas or stupid bonus missions that need split tasks. Even so in just some really easy area/mission more real people will just make it insanely easy. Almost like why would I need 7 more people to help me screw a light bulb if I can do it alone..
If needed people will form groups to do things, usually highend areas or stupid bonus missions that need split tasks. Even so in just some really easy area/mission more real people will just make it insanely easy. Almost like why would I need 7 more people to help me screw a light bulb if I can do it alone..
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
I don't think people realize that the pugs they were in failed also because of their lack of ability and communication skills (aka you). I'm sure a great percentage of H/Her's play alone so that others can't see their mistakes/bad builds.
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One guy went afk, 2 others leeroyed onwards and our rit kept killing guardians, despite talking about doing the bonus before the mission.
Surely this was my fault and the lack of communication skills is at fault too!
Can you come up with dumber theories?
Cuilan
It isn't dumb since most PUGs aren't nearly as bad as that. It's always someone else's fault and never the one who points figures. Ever.
You are only human. How does that make you feel?
You are only human. How does that make you feel?
UnChosen
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Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets
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If needed people will form groups to do things, usually highend areas or stupid bonus missions that need split tasks. Even so in just some really easy area/mission more real people will just make it insanely easy. Almost like why would I need 7 more people to help me screw a light bulb if I can do it alone.. |
Aleta
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
No. You are a terrible person and are trying to give a bonus to people who play one particular way while discriminating against people who can't or won't play a different way.
You already get PvE skills for the entire team. Isn't that enough for you? /notsigned |
How is it discriminaton if it's a choice? You get a reward for doing something. It's an option. Discrimination is so over used it's just sad. When something is offered - Hard Mode OH NO you are discriminating against me because I can't or won't do it. Why would you get better reward for doing it? Same unreasonable idea.
Nice idea but most of the ppl of GW have forgotten that it's supposed to be fun
In EQ2 you get bonus xp for mentoring lower levels. Haven't heard anyone screaming discrimination over there either
drkn
even though henchmen are inferior when compared to good players (yeah, there are some out there, pugging sometimes too!), you at least know what to expect from henchmen and you can learn to work with them. once you know their good and bad sides, the flaws and pros of ai, you can get used to it and, in the outcome, get a more stable team than with random people doing weird things.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Aleta
How is it discriminaton if it's a choice?
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Grow up.
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
It isn't dumb since most PUGs aren't nearly as bad as that. It's always someone else's fault and never the one who points figures. Ever.
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And pugs? Not nearly as bad as that? If that were true people wouldn't shiver on the sound of the word "pug" and there wouldn't be ideas like this one.
Surprise, surprise!
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Zahr Dalsk
BlackSephir is correct. Although the precise nature of his PUG isn't all that common - by now, people tend to know the bonus and objective and such - the playing skill is indeed usually that low.
spirit of defeat
Pugging has a lot of problems.
Getting a group
Pugging is already encouraged by Zaishen bounty/mission.
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And pve skills also encourage.
/not signed
Getting a group
- Nobody's in an outpost
- There is always someone who never done the mission and will ruin it.
- Someone misses a skill
- people are impatient and leave before start.
- Class 'y' is needed when only class 'x' and 'z' is around.
- Afk
- Over agrro
- Ignore target call
- There is always someone who thinks he is better then an other.
- Ragequit
Pugging is already encouraged by Zaishen bounty/mission.
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And pve skills also encourage.
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Mordiego
/not signed
Going out with real players instead of h/h gives U an advantege in itself (pve skills+NI=natural inteligence).
Going out with real players instead of h/h gives U an advantege in itself (pve skills+NI=natural inteligence).
MasterSasori
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Originally Posted by spirit of defeat
Pugging has a lot of problems.
Getting a group
Pugging is already encouraged by Zaishen bounty/mission. /not signed |
People PUG because they want to PUG. They're willing to take the chance that the people in the group aren't morons and in a way, if the PUG isn't full of them, it can be alot of fun.
spirit of defeat
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Originally Posted by MasterSasori
You should also mention the overpowered PvE skills as encouragement to PUG.
People PUG because they want to PUG. They're willing to take the chance that the people in the group aren't morons and in a way, if the PUG isn't full of them, it can be alot of fun. |
it's an mmo, playing with humans is more fun.
but thinking of a way to make pugging more rewarding is hard.
Stormz
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I hated heros the day they came out, this is still an online game!Not a mediocre singleplayer PVE turned out to be now.Anything to bring pugs back.The exp and +loot drop is a good idear.I'd suggest the same for GW2!
I hated heros the day they came out, this is still an online game!Not a mediocre singleplayer PVE turned out to be now.Anything to bring pugs back.The exp and +loot drop is a good idear.I'd suggest the same for GW2!
t00115577
Best suggestion I have ever seen on this forum.
/signed x1000000
Please, please anet if you are ever actually going to listen to the guild wars population on this forum, let this be the idea you impliment. It would revitalize the game again.
/signed x1000000
Please, please anet if you are ever actually going to listen to the guild wars population on this forum, let this be the idea you impliment. It would revitalize the game again.
Zahr Dalsk
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It would revitalize the game again.
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Missing HB
The idea is nice , but not well used :
In my opinion , they could make you have like some health and energy bonus in all elite areas , IF you have 6+ henchs in your team , because , it's most likely only sc teams who are able to complete DoA , UW ( HM ) , etc... nowadays . It's not like it is very easy for example in HM , to escort griffins in FoW , to survive to 50 specters in uw plains , to escort souls , etc ... with having only heroes .
But , anyway , /notsigned for idea suggested because yes , xp reward and eotn bonus won't make more people play , since not that useful ( lvl20+ , title already completed , etc..)
In my opinion , they could make you have like some health and energy bonus in all elite areas , IF you have 6+ henchs in your team , because , it's most likely only sc teams who are able to complete DoA , UW ( HM ) , etc... nowadays . It's not like it is very easy for example in HM , to escort griffins in FoW , to survive to 50 specters in uw plains , to escort souls , etc ... with having only heroes .
But , anyway , /notsigned for idea suggested because yes , xp reward and eotn bonus won't make more people play , since not that useful ( lvl20+ , title already completed , etc..)
Essence Snow
I like the idea of a bonus.....but an Exp bonus is blah....since there is no real use for it outside of lvling heros after reaching lvl 20 or LS 3. Maybe a bonus gold drop or something...idk...
UnChosen
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
Making people leave due to a horrible bullshit means of punishing their playstyle != revitalizing the game.
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Why don't they just smiter's boon heroes because they're ruining the game. This is "Guild Wars", not "AI Bot Wars'. /sarcasm (And yes I'm imitating some of your past posts)
Back on topic...I think exp bonus is rather pointless, because the game is already max level 20. They should have drops that are only available when the group is comprised of humans. Maybe making them drop randomly from areas other than the end game (to encourage people to actually go outside 1% of the game).
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by UnChosen
If people leave because they can't accept a lower reward for playing with AI, then good riddance.
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Understand now?
Scary
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Originally Posted by Warvic
XP bonus is useless. And it's to late!
Pugging = dead, because they added heroes. And because there are not enough players. Outposts are as good as empty! Maybe that they added heroes because there were to many empty outposts. Dunno.. |
and are not there to have fun.
A better reward to have pugs would be a much better rare drop rate with full
human party's
RespectMe
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I'm not rly into pve and I haven't done it for 3 years but before heroes i actually found it fun to do "harder" missions for example Thunderhead Keep. But I suppose it's too late, even with that update u said there is no way pugging would come back to pve since the outposts are empty and every1 is doing "afk farming" with bots
I'm not rly into pve and I haven't done it for 3 years but before heroes i actually found it fun to do "harder" missions for example Thunderhead Keep. But I suppose it's too late, even with that update u said there is no way pugging would come back to pve since the outposts are empty and every1 is doing "afk farming" with bots
cruzer
More XP means nothing to me.
More faction ... that is an interesting idea.
More faction ... that is an interesting idea.
Morphy
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Lol experience, so useful.
Lol experience, so useful.
Terrible Surgeon
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Originally Posted by joemoe
PvE skills were a mistake, but lets not even get into that. Not every campaign has PvE skills anyway.
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Originally Posted by Gennadios
GW has no subscription fee.
This made it the natural purchase of all the cretin 12 year olds who can't get their parents to buy them a WoW account because their grades suck. There couldn't possibly be a bonus big enough to make me want to actually play with these people. But really, if it happens, good for us all. My guild will get drop bonuses in DoA, all the VSFers and SC's out there will get extra reward for trying just as little... life will be grand. |
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon
UH DUH UH DUH UH DUH...ONLY PROPH HAS NO PVE SKILLS....factions does, Night fall does..EOTN does...UH DUH UH DUH UH DUH
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Wish Swiftdeath
We could just make the zquests give more zcoins based on how many players are in the party?
Nuclfus
This would give a good reason to PUG
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gundam2010
I vote for more bonuses when you play with hench -,-" Make more sense lmao
1. Human sux.
2. It's harder to play with hench than human. Hench sux too.
3. I don't like playing with human lol 90% a bunch of noobs/whiners lol.
1. Human sux.
2. It's harder to play with hench than human. Hench sux too.
3. I don't like playing with human lol 90% a bunch of noobs/whiners lol.
Eragon Zarroc
meh, idk. i would say that it would have to be people who are not in the same guild. playing with guildies is not pugging :-P
Mireles
I think the solution to the "Pug" problem lies in the concept of heroes > people.... i think they should make heroes single profession instead of duel profession
Amy Awien
People going in different directions while expecting everybody else to follow theirs is what kills PuGs.
QueenofDeath
/not signed another waste of programming time.