Hey, Guys
Since the XTH is dead and buried (happy 8th month anniversary, everyone!), maybe we should just make our own XTH.
I used to love betting on the mATs each month, and I'd love to do it again. Maybe if we set up a site, or even just used Guru, to bet zkeys on mATs every month we could have something similar to what we used to have in the XTH.
Think about it. A community run betting system based on odds and the positions of winning guilds. We could have a buy-in fee of around 10-20 zkeys and then do pay-outs the first of every month.
I don't have any specific parameters or anything in mind, but who out there would support this? Is it a good idea? And if so, how do you think it should work?
The New XTH
Karate Jesus
zelgadissan
I think it would be very hard to find a "neutral party" that would:
a) meet up with a lot of people in-game (timezones) to
b) hold onto potentially thousands of Zkeys, then
c) search out potentially hundreds of people (timezones) to
d) give out proper amounts of Zkeys.
I like the idea in theory, but the actual procedure would need a lot of work and trust.
a) meet up with a lot of people in-game (timezones) to
b) hold onto potentially thousands of Zkeys, then
c) search out potentially hundreds of people (timezones) to
d) give out proper amounts of Zkeys.
I like the idea in theory, but the actual procedure would need a lot of work and trust.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
I think it would be very hard to find a "neutral party" that would:
a) meet up with a lot of people in-game (timezones) to b) hold onto potentially thousands of Zkeys, then c) search out potentially hundreds of people (timezones) to d) give out proper amounts of Zkeys. I like the idea in theory, but the actual procedure would need a lot of work and trust. |
Lord Dagon
like the little pink avatars guy has already said, it would be really hard to find someone to not tkae and use those zkeys for a title or something. also, if that person gets hacked, or loses power, or gets grounded, or dies, you have a very big problem w/ assets.
overall in a "perfect world where ppl arent evil or scheme or are mean, this would be great. However the best we have is an online, no face to face, honour system between ppl. which is a recipe for a very very bad thing ;p.
overall in a "perfect world where ppl arent evil or scheme or are mean, this would be great. However the best we have is an online, no face to face, honour system between ppl. which is a recipe for a very very bad thing ;p.
Devastating Flames
bad idea no ones gonna trust to actualyl get thier z keys with resent big scams and it's progably against some rules to do something like that anyway
Windf0rce
Just leave it dead, I think most people don't even remember the XTH.
Grj
I thought the new XTH was the NCSoft website? Keep refreshing till you get lucky.... ohhh a free account! 
Karate Jesus
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Just leave it dead, I think most people don't even remember the XTH.
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Zanagi Kazuhiko
why not Inde hold the zkeys?
mistokibbles
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why not Inde hold the zkeys?
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And where would the zkeys come from anyway?
Black Metal
I *DEFINITELY* want to enter my account info into a 3rd party site!
but seriously, Anet, stop dodging us, the only thing to lose is your reputation
but seriously, Anet, stop dodging us, the only thing to lose is your reputation
mage767
Silly ideas should be buried deep. XTH was ANET's worst idea, and I am glad it's gone.
/unsigned.
/unsigned.
ac1inferno
Just work for your money and stop asking for freebies.
Eragon Zarroc
organizational nightmare :O
shoyon456
No. Let the Anet people do their damn jobs, regardless of how long it takes and how little they inform us of its' progress. It's on them, not us.
Zehnchu
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Just work for your money and stop asking for freebies.
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Chief
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Originally Posted by Zanagi Kazuhiko
why not Inde hold the zkeys?
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Inde does enough on GWG, hand zkeys to hundreds of winners would be a pain.
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fenix
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FYI, Inde retired from GWG at the first of the year.
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Of course, Guru stopped doing this when random players would make names similar to mod names, and steal people's stuff. Another reason Inde (or any of us) wouldn't do this
Robster Lobster
If I remember correctly, in-game gambling is against the TOS.
Karate Jesus
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If I remember correctly, in-game gambling is against the TOS.
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Turbo Ginsu
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Originally Posted by Robster Lobster
If I remember correctly, in-game gambling is against the TOS.
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fenix
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Surely not....that would just be stupid.
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Neo Nugget
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It's possible that they made it against TOS, at the same time they removed /roll from towns. People were rigging the /rolls and stealing everyone's money.
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Edit: This is the closest I have so far.
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kedde
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO yeah, 8 months without massive inflation.
Test Me
Get over it. It's 8 months since you're whining about it.
It was a bad idea giving significant ingame advantages to account collectors on a monthly bases for doing absolutely nothing. I'm sure glad it's dead.
It was a bad idea giving significant ingame advantages to account collectors on a monthly bases for doing absolutely nothing. I'm sure glad it's dead.
Robster Lobster
People should read the OP to avoid looking like idiots.
Anyway, this is from back when it happened, looks like it was in the Rules of Conduct, not the TOS. Doesn't appear to be there anymore though, so who knows?
Anyway, this is from back when it happened, looks like it was in the Rules of Conduct, not the TOS. Doesn't appear to be there anymore though, so who knows?
Jarge
Wow this doesn't look even a little bit like real world trading!
The XTH wasn't gambling in the sense that you never risked anything. What OP is suggesting is gambling and effectively opening the way for RL trading.
"I swear, it was done through XTH, he bet that [guild] would goldcape and won".
I'm well up for instaban on a mass scale.
The XTH wasn't gambling in the sense that you never risked anything. What OP is suggesting is gambling and effectively opening the way for RL trading.
"I swear, it was done through XTH, he bet that [guild] would goldcape and won".
I'm well up for instaban on a mass scale.
Coverticus
^ this.
Besides, since ANet already admitted that it was going to take a lot of effort to rectify the mess that was XTH, I would rather see them devote the effort elsewhere - on time skill balancing or some extra content as an example. To me this would be time better spent.
XTH was nice while it lasted but, as with everything, gotta move on
Besides, since ANet already admitted that it was going to take a lot of effort to rectify the mess that was XTH, I would rather see them devote the effort elsewhere - on time skill balancing or some extra content as an example. To me this would be time better spent.
XTH was nice while it lasted but, as with everything, gotta move on
Hyperventilate
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on time skill balancing or some extra content as an example. To me this would be time better spent.
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Kinda makes you wonder where their time is going. Personally, I'd be playing solitaire.
Seriously though, I don't see how players asking for something they WANT back is so incredibly unreasonable. Sure, they have our money already and can do whatever the hell they want regardless of what we want, devs generally want to keep their players happy. Especially when they have cute little things like sequels "around the corner."
Lycan Nibbler
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Well, obviously you can see how well they're spending that time. With the lack of content being added, and surely you've been paying attention to the threads about the "impending" skill balance.
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Morphy
I wouldn't participate in this (lol GW cash).
Karate Jesus
I love how no one actually reads the OP :/
I wasn't suggesting that Anet should do this, this isn't about restarting the XTH (it's dead), I don't see how RL trading could impact this (it's easier for them to bot and sell), etc., etc.
Meh, this is probably due for a /close since no one wants to discuss on topic :/
I wasn't suggesting that Anet should do this, this isn't about restarting the XTH (it's dead), I don't see how RL trading could impact this (it's easier for them to bot and sell), etc., etc.
Meh, this is probably due for a /close since no one wants to discuss on topic :/
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[DE]
This would only work if Billiard was the man holding all the money. He is the most trusted player in the game after all. Though he'd probably take a cut of the keys for his time.
SithLord2064
The biggest problem with the issue of a "new XTH" is the fact that the logistics of it would be daunting. Let's say that 100 people signed up for the 1st month, and half bet 5 Z-keys that [rawr] would win 1st. If they were all correct in that, each person would expect to get more than the 5 z-keys they added to the pool. And only giving 2 z-keys for a correct guess wouldn't be the greatest gift for guessing #1 correctly. There would come a point where you have to give prizes to people and you would have no keys left. Then what? Ectos? Black Dye?
With the XTH, we won TRP so we could buy z-keys, OR, we could buy PvP armors, PvP weapons, etc. That most people bought Z-keys was a given. I know I did my share. But that many Z-keys on the market at once killed the price. I don't think it's a good idea to ressurect that kind of madness. Now, I use z-coins to get z-keys, and I still manage to get a lot. For me, Zaishen Coins are the new XTH
With the XTH, we won TRP so we could buy z-keys, OR, we could buy PvP armors, PvP weapons, etc. That most people bought Z-keys was a given. I know I did my share. But that many Z-keys on the market at once killed the price. I don't think it's a good idea to ressurect that kind of madness. Now, I use z-coins to get z-keys, and I still manage to get a lot. For me, Zaishen Coins are the new XTH
MagmaRed
1) Would be a logistics nightmare for anyone to create a website to handle all the info, calculate wins/losses, and HOLD THE KEYS!
2) Would require more people to lose keys than win them if ANYONE was to win.... unless you can hack the game and create keys out of nowhere.
3) Would be easy to exploit.
The only feasilbe situation that I can see running something like this would be guilds/alliances. And they would need to restrict it to their members only. This would allow the quantities to be small enough for someone to handle, as well as TRUST the people involved. However, it would still require keys to be donated unless more people lost than won.
2) Would require more people to lose keys than win them if ANYONE was to win.... unless you can hack the game and create keys out of nowhere.
3) Would be easy to exploit.
The only feasilbe situation that I can see running something like this would be guilds/alliances. And they would need to restrict it to their members only. This would allow the quantities to be small enough for someone to handle, as well as TRUST the people involved. However, it would still require keys to be donated unless more people lost than won.
drkn
the only possible way to run it is to create a pvp guild dedicated for the goal. that guild would have to farm the keys on their own and then give them out to the winners. the predictions would have to be public and somehow point-based. the person with the most points wins the top prize, like 30 keys; the second place is awarded with 20, the third with 10 (the numbers may vary, used just for the simplicity). if two or more people would achieve the same number of points, the one who posted the prediction earlier wins.
that would require a high-end pvp guild to become benevolent and wish to run such an event for the sake of community's fun. i don't believe it's possible, but it would work. i don't see any other way that it might run smoothly.
that would require a high-end pvp guild to become benevolent and wish to run such an event for the sake of community's fun. i don't believe it's possible, but it would work. i don't see any other way that it might run smoothly.
jazilla
My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite forum on Guru.
Seriously though, I miss the XTH, but that is not a good idea. That would be a logistical nightmare.
Seriously though, I miss the XTH, but that is not a good idea. That would be a logistical nightmare.
Lycan Nibbler
What others have said, good idea in theory, not workable in practice due to trust/time/ energy required etc.
I know here in Arizona, there are strict rules about any form of real cash gambling ((although office pools go on, they arent really supposed to by the letter of the law). How virtual item gambling is concerned Im not sure, but I guess anet would sooner nip it in the bud than to find out later they had broken some rule in Luxembourg or similar..
Probably the only method is to do it within a guild/alliance.
I know here in Arizona, there are strict rules about any form of real cash gambling ((although office pools go on, they arent really supposed to by the letter of the law). How virtual item gambling is concerned Im not sure, but I guess anet would sooner nip it in the bud than to find out later they had broken some rule in Luxembourg or similar..
Probably the only method is to do it within a guild/alliance.
Paradise Lost
A thread thats about the XTH. But actually not about the XTH, yet its called the new XTH?
Im glad they aren't bringing it back, it was as bad as RR day dumbness.
Im glad they aren't bringing it back, it was as bad as RR day dumbness.
QueenofDeath
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Hey, Guys
Since the XTH is dead and buried (happy 8th month anniversary, everyone!), maybe we should just make our own XTH. I used to love betting on the mATs each month, and I'd love to do it again. Maybe if we set up a site, or even just used Guru, to bet zkeys on mATs every month we could have something similar to what we used to have in the XTH. Think about it. A community run betting system based on odds and the positions of winning guilds. We could have a buy-in fee of around 10-20 zkeys and then do pay-outs the first of every month. I don't have any specific parameters or anything in mind, but who out there would support this? Is it a good idea? And if so, how do you think it should work? |
People would lie steal and cheat anyway without some form of official program doing things like XTH used to. I'm glad it's gone myself.