Advice Please
Talania Vulcanclaw
Could someone please crit this picture I'm working on. I'm struggling especially with the large portion of hair which has the wrong look of depth and anything else that could be improved. Thank you.
GeminiJuSa
Don't be afraid of making lines in the hair. If you're uncertain about them; draw them on a separate layer and try out. Hair consists of several small bangs. Study on real people/pictures how it usually bemds and curls. Don't be afraid to draw separate hairs and spaces in between bangs. Putting hair in motion will make the hairs separate and fly a litte differently.
sonofthort
The hair didn't really strike me as being out of place or anything, I kind of like it. The way you have it now it gives it a glossy look, but I can see what the previous poster means by adding more detail, I suppose the bottom peice could use some. Something that sticks out to me are the detail lines you drew on the stomach, don't really know how to describe it but they just kind of turn me off, makes it look like a she has a gut or strong abs, nothing wrong with that, but I don't know if that's the look you are going for. Something I notice is that her left side (where her tummy is exposed) angles up kind of awkwardly, if you follow the angle, it doesn't really match what you think would be underneath the shirt. I think it needs to come in a little bit more, not curve out so much. Also, something I notice when I checked proportions is that the arms seem too short, although honestly when I look at the image as a whole they don't stick out as awkward what so ever, I think it has to do with the characterture nature of the art style, trying to emphasize the legs and the head. All in all, very impressive, you are doing great!
Talania Vulcanclaw
Aha yes it looks like she has a pot belly hehe. I'll try to look at these things. The thing with the hair is to me it looks like the large part at the back is getting closer to her because of the way I did the shadow but if I add more lines like GeminiJuSa said, to each side it may start to look curled inwards....Atleast I hope. Thanks for the opinions they're very helpful.
YunSooJin
are the arms bent? the elbow should come down to just above the belly button if its not bent. also you need to show that the arm is moved back a bit by the placement of the shadows. the way you have it now its impossible to see that because the placement of the shadows just seems sort of random. You should try to depict more clearly where your lightsource is coming from.
the left side of her face (our left) looks fatter than it really is because you've made the hair there thick as well.. if you want it to look more balance then you can simply make the hair thinner.
neck is too thick/long
where your legs end we should actually start seeing the bend of the knee, i think its because i dont see that the legs look a bit disembodied
also, since her head is slightly turned the width of her left eye (our left) should be thinner than the right.
the left side of her face (our left) looks fatter than it really is because you've made the hair there thick as well.. if you want it to look more balance then you can simply make the hair thinner.
neck is too thick/long
where your legs end we should actually start seeing the bend of the knee, i think its because i dont see that the legs look a bit disembodied
also, since her head is slightly turned the width of her left eye (our left) should be thinner than the right.
Talania Vulcanclaw
bah I'm better off starting a new one lol
Kerwyn Nasilan
Arms look very abnormal, not an expert on figure so I can't give you specific ideas on how to fix it, sorry.
Talania Vulcanclaw
Although the left arm (our left) isn't finished yet. I just left it black for now.
YunSooJin
Talania, I pretty much have the same problems you're having in terms of wanting to do a full complete piece but having it not look right as I move along with it. I don't have much advice except to make sure you just do a lineart-type piece first, make sure its PERFECT and then try moving from there.
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Talania Vulcanclaw
I've started on trying to improve a few things. Working on the Hair and Neck at the moment. Now she has a fat face haha. Excuse I haven't done the shadows or highlights just working on general shape for now.
I think making the right arm longer wont be too hard as I can make the stick completely straight that way the arm will have to be longer to reach it. Then if I shadow the left arm to show that its bent hopefully things will be much better *fingers crossed*
Also I think it might help if I have the garter further up the leg just so its partially obscured by the skirt but I am noob in photoshop and was wondering if anyone knows how I can rotate just the garter so that I can have the more detailed top part down the bottom...I dont really want to redo that part hehe. Thanks.
http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/a...k_182/WIP9.jpg
On this one I added more hair and moved the face/chin inline with the neck
http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/a..._182/wip10.jpg
I think making the right arm longer wont be too hard as I can make the stick completely straight that way the arm will have to be longer to reach it. Then if I shadow the left arm to show that its bent hopefully things will be much better *fingers crossed*
Also I think it might help if I have the garter further up the leg just so its partially obscured by the skirt but I am noob in photoshop and was wondering if anyone knows how I can rotate just the garter so that I can have the more detailed top part down the bottom...I dont really want to redo that part hehe. Thanks.
http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/a...k_182/WIP9.jpg
On this one I added more hair and moved the face/chin inline with the neck
http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/a..._182/wip10.jpg
YunSooJin
what do you mean, rotate the garter?
Talania Vulcanclaw
To turn it around so its up teh other way
YunSooJin
you mean flipped horizontally?
Talania Vulcanclaw
yeh sure its just so I have the more detailed part still visible.
Talania Vulcanclaw
Do you think this is getting better or shall I call it a lost cause :/ I am yet to deal with the pot belly haha.
Little Shenanigan
it's getting better (i like the expression more) but things are still wonky with it.
the hands are really small - put your hands in front of your face, and they at least reach your eyes.
also, the hair on the right side looks a bit strange - it all has the same curve-ending-point-thingy whereas on the left side it doesn't end of the same curve (i think it looks better if it doesn't). also, the hair bump thing on top of her head where the clip is looks....strange.
hope that helped some? they are just my opinions - i fail at art
the hands are really small - put your hands in front of your face, and they at least reach your eyes.
also, the hair on the right side looks a bit strange - it all has the same curve-ending-point-thingy whereas on the left side it doesn't end of the same curve (i think it looks better if it doesn't). also, the hair bump thing on top of her head where the clip is looks....strange.
hope that helped some? they are just my opinions - i fail at art

GeminiJuSa
I think the hair is a great progress, though it still has a kinda unnaturla stiffness (unless you have grease delux hair) but the use of bangs is much better. Also the arm is looking better, though I'd still want some more work on it in the sense that it's still unclear if she's bending it or not. If she's not beinding it the hands should reach a tad bit lower.
Eliya
If you look at the curve of her legs, to where they would meet her hips, her right leg should have less of a curve, if that makes sense. Also, i think her breasts should be slightly lower, and her right arm should have more of an evident bend. As as said before, the pink hair clip looks very... almost like it's holding a little alfalfa hair up, lol. And personally, i would give more angles to her face, and make it less rounded, so her face will be less youthful and have a more attractive, womanly look to match her curvacious body.
Talania Vulcanclaw
Ah yes I did notice the hair clip and changed it a bit. I been doing some shinies because the arm is hard 
When you say the right arm your talking about her actual right arm or the one on our right?
Thanks for all your advices they really helping me..I'm sorry I cannot correct things very fast because I only using a mouse and have to go to work and things but thankyou you have really helped me.

When you say the right arm your talking about her actual right arm or the one on our right?
Thanks for all your advices they really helping me..I'm sorry I cannot correct things very fast because I only using a mouse and have to go to work and things but thankyou you have really helped me.
frostkisses
The hair looks much better now that you've added some highlight to it. That one piece of hair sticking out of the top really puts me off though. I think it would look better without it and maybe make that small butterfly into a slightly larger one, so it looks like something is holding up that poof she has. Dont get me wrong, I like the "poof" just didnt know what else to call it lol.
I think you could help the leg out a lot if you thinned out the garter, its very thick for her small frame. Looks like a ruffled ace bandage. Maybe move it up just a tad.
I think you could help the leg out a lot if you thinned out the garter, its very thick for her small frame. Looks like a ruffled ace bandage. Maybe move it up just a tad.
YunSooJin
Talania if you're really intent on doing this more than once I would recommend a tablet =P
Talania Vulcanclaw
Ok I tried to take on board some of these advices. I changed the Garter into stockings because that is easier. Tried to change some hair shape and one of the arms...I dunno....and facial shape. I also added some eyebrows but personally I think she looks better without them...same with a nose I dont really want her to have one lol.
Oh and ofcourse...more shinies
btw what tablet would you recommend?
Oh and ofcourse...more shinies

btw what tablet would you recommend?
frostkisses

i like the eyebrows, gives her kind of a coy look.
Talania Vulcanclaw
I made a new picture if you guys want to see and tell me all the bad things would be nice
I think I've gone all weird on the right arm again
I invested in a graphics tablet so hopefully this will be an improvement anyways here it is.

I think I've gone all weird on the right arm again

I invested in a graphics tablet so hopefully this will be an improvement anyways here it is.

frostkisses
both arms are a bit wonky to me.
im also getting the impression that her thigh starts where the knee should. i think if you'd like to show off the thigh more, make the skirt a lil shorter (just a hair under where the apron stops) and poof it out more. like shes got crinoline under.
Maybe a lil more hip to her?
Keep drawing!
practice makes perfect. Doing random figure sketches without detail helps me out with poses a great deal. i hate drawing people :P I'm axious to see more progress with your new toy
im also getting the impression that her thigh starts where the knee should. i think if you'd like to show off the thigh more, make the skirt a lil shorter (just a hair under where the apron stops) and poof it out more. like shes got crinoline under.
Maybe a lil more hip to her?
Keep drawing!


Charlie Dayman
Procrastinating on my AH paper.
Anyways, I'd suggest picking up a book or finding pictures on human anatomy. Really take the time to study how the muscles and bones move, and also how they compare in length in comparison to the rest of the body.
At the moment, the anatomy is off at a lot of places. When it comes to a situation like this, it's best to lay down your foundation (anatomical outline) properly and then gradually add on the details such as clothes/skin/hair/etc. If you jump into the fine details first and then try to figure out proportions, you're going to waste an awful amount of time trying to correct all the mistakes which could easily be avoided at the start.
Anyways, I'd suggest picking up a book or finding pictures on human anatomy. Really take the time to study how the muscles and bones move, and also how they compare in length in comparison to the rest of the body.
At the moment, the anatomy is off at a lot of places. When it comes to a situation like this, it's best to lay down your foundation (anatomical outline) properly and then gradually add on the details such as clothes/skin/hair/etc. If you jump into the fine details first and then try to figure out proportions, you're going to waste an awful amount of time trying to correct all the mistakes which could easily be avoided at the start.
Ravenhawk
As a total newbie to human anatomy, I know exactly how you feel. I am no expert yet but what I find that's really helpful is looking for references for your poses and also tutorials
*sifts through her tutorial collection*
Here's one I have for anatomy:
http://odduckoasis.deviantart.com/ar...orial-27484310
And graphics tablet is a great investment. I've never drawn this much since I got one.
Keep practicing!
*sifts through her tutorial collection*
Here's one I have for anatomy:
http://odduckoasis.deviantart.com/ar...orial-27484310
And graphics tablet is a great investment. I've never drawn this much since I got one.
Keep practicing!
Talania Vulcanclaw
Thank you I appreciate all your help, I have to confess I'm embarrassed to say I was actually doing the construction process first with a stick figure and then the sausages and it seemed fine to me on paper but things became more apparently wrong as I started coloring and adding details.
The graphics tablet is omg I do not believe how much easier to do stuff wow so much funner
So thanks again guys for taking the time to post and giving me the link for the anatomy tutorial. I love you lots like jelly tots.
The graphics tablet is omg I do not believe how much easier to do stuff wow so much funner

So thanks again guys for taking the time to post and giving me the link for the anatomy tutorial. I love you lots like jelly tots.

Tommy's
I recommend you instead of doing one piece with very detailed clothing and such, do alot of quick anatomy drawing and such, then you will progress quicker imo. Keep on working! Only way to reach the top.
YunSooJin
I would also recommend more realistic drawing (naked humans and the underlying shapes that involve them) as a first step too. This thread helps illustrate my point:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=6417
If you are interested in pdfs of art books I can refer you to some.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=6417
If you are interested in pdfs of art books I can refer you to some.