Well, after 3 years of playing, i finally got scammed. However, i took screen shots and told the guy, but he went ahead and took my money anyway for a run that never happened.
anyway, he will prolly get banned for a couple of weeks, but i bet he;s just on a smurf account and doesnl;t care. anyway, to cut down this behaviour i suggest something like the PVP dishonourable hex that pretty much stays with you for life once you are proven to have scammed someone. A warning message in the trade window that advertises that this person is a scammer would be nice too... that would hurt them more than anything.
/signed
Hex for Scammers or Warning when trading
Trinity Fire Angel
Elephantaliste
i agree small and big scams are boring but
what about redemption and forgiveness...
and some pple will probably try to get this new hex...
what about redemption and forgiveness...
and some pple will probably try to get this new hex...
drkn
/notsigned
just double-check when trading and use common sense to avoid being scammed. i know that comparing mmos to real life is usually a fail, but when it comes to economic aspects, it's quite similar - there's a lot of scammers and conners out there, no one has a warning on his forehead. no reason to force it here either.
just double-check when trading and use common sense to avoid being scammed. i know that comparing mmos to real life is usually a fail, but when it comes to economic aspects, it's quite similar - there's a lot of scammers and conners out there, no one has a warning on his forehead. no reason to force it here either.
Olle
So if i by misstake get reported, for typing in wrong numbers/items in trade, ill get an hex?
/notsigned
/notsigned
aspi
/notsigned
This is just one of the things that can happen when paying for runs I guess.
This is just one of the things that can happen when paying for runs I guess.
Del
ummm, trade window warns you when someone changes it, there's confirmation so you can make sure you're not getting screwed, and when it comes to runs, you can avoid being scammed with common sense.
/notsigned
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Sagra
I understand the frustration involved, and when talking about runs, it's not as simple as checking trade windows. The multitude of ditchers makes runners want more up front than usual in some cases. And the multitude of fail runners or scammers makes runnees 
anxious to pay a large sum up front.
I try my best to use allies or trusted runners whenever possible. Barring that, try to pay half before or halfway and the other half upon completion. If that arrangement is not agreeable, then find another runner.
I would NOT like for there to be a hex involved, as sometimes people make mistakes. Earlier this week when buying fruitcakes off someone, I forgot I had 1 in storage. So when the transaction took place, (it was late) I saw one in my first screen of inventory. I thought the trader had scammed me. Had I not checked the rest of my inventory and the green text, I may have reported that person needlessly.
Use caution and try to develop a list of trustworthy runners. That's all the advice I can offer!
anxious to pay a large sum up front.I try my best to use allies or trusted runners whenever possible. Barring that, try to pay half before or halfway and the other half upon completion. If that arrangement is not agreeable, then find another runner.
I would NOT like for there to be a hex involved, as sometimes people make mistakes. Earlier this week when buying fruitcakes off someone, I forgot I had 1 in storage. So when the transaction took place, (it was late) I saw one in my first screen of inventory. I thought the trader had scammed me. Had I not checked the rest of my inventory and the green text, I may have reported that person needlessly.
Use caution and try to develop a list of trustworthy runners. That's all the advice I can offer!
Olle
So if i by misstake get reported, for typing in wrong numbers/items in trade, ill get an hex?
/notsigned
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aspi
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Use caution and try to develop a list of trustworthy runners. That's all the advice I can offer!
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So far got 2 chest runners from this forum, natures survivor and oni clair who both are to be trusted and never scammed.
I would suggest the topic starter tries the services offered from this forum it seems way saver than in game. Or join a Guild I guess
Quaker
It's bad enough that people will scam you in real life, but to scam people in a game, you must really have low self esteem. I mean, if your self respect means so little to you that you will cheat someone out of imaginary money, you must be a real loser.
So, Trinity, take solace in the fact that you still have your dignity.
.. and, it's just a game - it's like someone cheated at Monopoly. It's just sad.
P.S. The best ways to avoid being scammed by "runners" is to:
1. Don't "run" - do it yourself the old fashioned way.
2. Get a Guild mate or trusted friend to run you.
3. Check the buy/sell forums and/or Guru Auctions for a runner. Chances are (esp on the auctions) that someone who bothers to post running services and has a good rep, will be less likely to cheat you.
So, Trinity, take solace in the fact that you still have your dignity.
.. and, it's just a game - it's like someone cheated at Monopoly. It's just sad.
P.S. The best ways to avoid being scammed by "runners" is to:
1. Don't "run" - do it yourself the old fashioned way.
2. Get a Guild mate or trusted friend to run you.
3. Check the buy/sell forums and/or Guru Auctions for a runner. Chances are (esp on the auctions) that someone who bothers to post running services and has a good rep, will be less likely to cheat you.
HawkofStorms
/notsigned
Buyer beware.
And sometimes stuff really is a legit mistake (Opps put up linen instead of vellum isn't always a scam).
And other stuff like not paying runs, there would be NO way to automate it.
And if it wasn't automated, it would just be abused to holy hell.
Buyer beware.
And sometimes stuff really is a legit mistake (Opps put up linen instead of vellum isn't always a scam).
And other stuff like not paying runs, there would be NO way to automate it.
And if it wasn't automated, it would just be abused to holy hell.
thelessa
What the main problem is, there are a lot of items that look very much the same or named sorta alike and if you don't take a closer look at them you can get scammed.
aeligos
/signed [x infinity(?)] o.o
Scamming is an art, and in my opinion, scammers should be hexed with a godlike aura or some other toon-effect... to depict superior sportsmanship.
Let's face it. As someone had alluded to it earlier, it's inevitable.... no matter how prepared or common-sensed one may believe themselves to be.
I do feel bad for your loss OP, but as the world turns, one's loss is another's gain... and that is how the world works.
-.-
Scamming is an art, and in my opinion, scammers should be hexed with a godlike aura or some other toon-effect... to depict superior sportsmanship.
Let's face it. As someone had alluded to it earlier, it's inevitable.... no matter how prepared or common-sensed one may believe themselves to be.
I do feel bad for your loss OP, but as the world turns, one's loss is another's gain... and that is how the world works.
-.-
Stop The Storm
how about just permanantly ban scammers? no messing about with silly hexes, just instant ban if proven. Also everything on the banned account could be split up between all the accounts that get hacked instead of just deleted or left to rot on banned accounts
Lord Dagon
/notsigned
seems like a waste of time to go and add a "hex" to everyone that scams. and you know ppl have grudges against ea other so they will probably abuse this into the ground.
not a bad idea.. just honestly no way it will work when put into practice ;p.
seems like a waste of time to go and add a "hex" to everyone that scams. and you know ppl have grudges against ea other so they will probably abuse this into the ground.
not a bad idea.. just honestly no way it will work when put into practice ;p.
Trinity Fire Angel
well.. it really can;t be abused because ANet support actually check chat logs and transactions on both accounts. I have been emailing to support in this case as i want my 60k to burn in his two weeks or more of being banned. he also scammed another person for 70k at the same time.
there are only so many places you can go to advertise for a run in American districts, so perhaps when he is on i might occasionally go to the district and make sure people in the district know that he is a scammer.
oh well. i thought it was a good deterrant to put a message in trade window.
when trading items, i accidently gave someone too much once and they offered to give it back but i was feeling kind. easy to do and it only takes a good genuine person to offer up the mistake.
there are only so many places you can go to advertise for a run in American districts, so perhaps when he is on i might occasionally go to the district and make sure people in the district know that he is a scammer.
oh well. i thought it was a good deterrant to put a message in trade window.
when trading items, i accidently gave someone too much once and they offered to give it back but i was feeling kind. easy to do and it only takes a good genuine person to offer up the mistake.
Covah
If anything the person who GOT scammed should have a giant gold name so everyone will know to trade with them to get good deals.
If you fall for a scam its YOUR fault for not checking the trade or for dropping an item on the ground.
If you fall for a scam its YOUR fault for not checking the trade or for dropping an item on the ground.
mistokibbles
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Let's face it. As someone had alluded to it earlier, it's inevitable.... no matter how prepared or common-sensed one may believe themselves to be.
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OT:Support shouldn't have to make up for your own mistakes by going through the trouble of looking at chat logs.
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Stop The Storm
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If anything the person who GOT scammed should have a giant gold name so everyone will know to trade with them to get good deals.
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The person who got scammed is the victim, whether its down to misplaced trust or general stupidity, they are still the victim, regardless of whos "fault" it is.
Del
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cmon jon, so if some woman gets raped in the street, its her fault for wearing a low cut top, or her fault for not taking a taxi?
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sonofthort
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Originally Posted by Quaker
It's bad enough that people will scam you in real life, but to scam people in a game, you must really have low self esteem. I mean, if your self respect means so little to you that you will cheat someone out of imaginary money, you must be a real loser.
So, Trinity, take solace in the fact that you still have your dignity. .. and, it's just a game - it's like someone cheated at Monopoly. It's just sad. P.S. The best ways to avoid being scammed by "runners" is to: 1. Don't "run" - do it yourself the old fashioned way. 2. Get a Guild mate or trusted friend to run you. 3. Check the buy/sell forums and/or Guru Auctions for a runner. Chances are (esp on the auctions) that someone who bothers to post running services and has a good rep, will be less likely to cheat you. |
You make it seem as though the video game world is more important than the real world, and for that, I thank you.
aeligos
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cmon jon, so if some woman gets raped in the street, its her fault for wearing a low cut top, or her fault for not taking a taxi?
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well, Stop The Storm, i guess one would have to define the social norms, culture, customs, etc. and in a multicultural state, one would have to take into account all, not just one culture.
You see, Stop The Storm, in islam, for example, if a woman gets raped, then yes, the blame is on her but ONLY IF she did not follow customary guidelines set forth on women (e.g. must not walk unescorted, must not wear revealing clothes, must lower her gaze upon presence of the male, etc). this 'rule' is universally applied to all women whether or not they are muslim because in islam, only their way is deemed lawful and just and appropriate.
so if a nonmuslim woman gets raped by muslim men in a nonmuslim country, local non islamic laws would protect that woman and punish the men accordingly no doubt........, but within the eyes of the neighboring muslim state, that woman IS at fault and those men were wrongfully accused in a less-than-perfect (ie nonmuslim) legal system.
all that which i state here can be backed by the islamic scriptures: quran, hadith and sunnah.
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Trinity Fire Angel
UPDATE: It seems that swift justice is at hand!!! I just got an email back from Support. All of this with 3 days. I removed my name and the GM's name just for privacy reasons.
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Hello [xxx],
I reviewed the game logs of this incident and confirmed a violation. The player's account has been suspended for defrauding others of in-game gold and items.
Thank you for submitting your report and helping keep Guild Wars a fun and safe place to play.
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Just goes to show, taking screen shots and submitting a report to support does work. Ty ANET.
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Hello [xxx],
I reviewed the game logs of this incident and confirmed a violation. The player's account has been suspended for defrauding others of in-game gold and items.
Thank you for submitting your report and helping keep Guild Wars a fun and safe place to play.
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Just goes to show, taking screen shots and submitting a report to support does work. Ty ANET.
Del
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UPDATE: It seems that swift justice is at hand!!! I just got an email back from Support. All of this with 3 days. I removed my name and the GM's name just for privacy reasons.
----- Hello [xxx], I reviewed the game logs of this incident and confirmed a violation. The player's account has been suspended for defrauding others of in-game gold and items. Thank you for submitting your report and helping keep Guild Wars a fun and safe place to play. ------ Just goes to show, taking screen shots and submitting a report to support does work. Ty ANET. |
aeligos
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But more importantly, did you learn from this?
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we have all learned that: ANET's got our back!!!
ANET's got our back!!!! We as individual players do not have fault and must not be weary of others for ANETs GOT OUR BACK!!
good for you Trinity!!!!
now, since you did not make note of it here, i am not sure if ANET provided you the 60plat the scammer had earned from his encounter with you. but should you feel that unpleasant urge to replenish your xun chest, send me a private message here on GURU so that we may arrange an ingame meeting wherein i'll give you the 60plat.
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Del
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yeah Del...
we have all learned that: ANET's got our back!!! ANET's got our back!!!! We as individual players do not have fault and must not be weary of others for ANETs GOT OUR BACK!! |
Stop The Storm
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well, Stop The Storm, i guess one would have to define the social norms, culture, customs, etc. and in a multicultural state, one would have to take into account all, not just one culture. You see, Stop The Storm, in islam, for example, if a woman gets raped, then yes, the blame is on her but ONLY IF she did not follow customary guidelines set forth on women (e.g. must not walk unescorted, must not wear revealing clothes, must lower her gaze upon presence of the male, etc). this 'rule' is universally applied to all women whether or not they are muslim because in islam, only their way is deemed lawful and just and appropriate. so if a nonmuslim woman gets raped by muslim men in a nonmuslim country, local non islamic laws would protect that woman and punish the men accordingly no doubt........, but within the eyes of the neighboring muslim state, that woman IS at fault and those men were wrongfully accused in a less-than-perfect (ie nonmuslim) legal system. all that which i state here can be backed by the islamic scriptures: quran, hadith and sunnah. -.- |
all im saying is, people are way too harsh on the people who got scammed. Bit of sympathy perhaps or just not reply at all.
Trinity Fire Angel
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yeah Del...
we have all learned that: ANET's got our back!!! ANET's got our back!!!! We as individual players do not have fault and must not be weary of others for ANETs GOT OUR BACK!! good for you Trinity!!!! now, since you did not make note of it here, i am not sure if ANET provided you the 60plat the scammer had earned from his encounter with you. but should you feel that unpleasant urge to replenish your xun chest, send me a private message here on GURU so that we may arrange an ingame meeting wherein i'll give you the 60plat. -.- |
i fully expected to not get my gold back. but that;s ok. its a good lesson learned
chaosincarnate87
I will sign this under the condition that the person who got scammed gets a hex/tag as well that labels them "careless" or something to that effect.
Quaker
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... people don;t listen ... but that;s ok.
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Bobby2
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but i bet he;s just on a smurf account and doesnl;t care
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Common sense still wins out.
MagmaRed
As already stated, the game already provides you with what is needed to prevent being scammed. Trades notify you of any changes, and it asks you to verify before making the trade. If you can't be diligent enough to check, it was your own fault.
For runs, which you are paying for a service, not an item, then it is common sense. Buyers and runners both are susceptible to scamming here, so a median is required. Most runners ask for partial payment part way through, and still see people refuse to pay. If you are asked to pay for the full thing in advance, don't go. If you are asked to pay ALL of it at the partway spot, pay at your own risk. But running is not playing, and I dont' see any reason for Anet to take part in those situations. I have been scammed on a run, from both ends. I do not see it as something Anet SHOULD deal with, but that is my opinion.
/unsigned - nothing needs to be changed
For runs, which you are paying for a service, not an item, then it is common sense. Buyers and runners both are susceptible to scamming here, so a median is required. Most runners ask for partial payment part way through, and still see people refuse to pay. If you are asked to pay for the full thing in advance, don't go. If you are asked to pay ALL of it at the partway spot, pay at your own risk. But running is not playing, and I dont' see any reason for Anet to take part in those situations. I have been scammed on a run, from both ends. I do not see it as something Anet SHOULD deal with, but that is my opinion.
/unsigned - nothing needs to be changed
Dabineh Deathbringer
The way I put it - if you're stupid enough to get scammed, you deserve it.
Del
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The way I put it - if you're stupid enough to get scammed, you deserve it.
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