Increased Stack Amounts

hyori finkl

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

in a chasm too comprehense for the nature of humans

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I'm not sure if this was already discussed at an earlier date but what about increasing the fixed amount of 250 per stack to lets say 999? I for one would definitely appreciate the extra inventory/storage slots. Maybe this would be an ideal implementation for GW2 as well.

Do A Barrel Roll

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2010

Neptune!

[SNOW]

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/signed
Having several stacks of bones, feathers, iron and glittering dust takes up alot of space.

vandevere

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

The Great State of Denial

W/Mo

/Signed...

This would easy any storage crises by a considerable margin...

Zodiac Meteor

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

/signed, make the cap 1000 instead of 999.

Masmar

Masmar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Aberdeen, Scotland

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

E/

/signed.
Means i can holds moar ec....glit dust

drkn

drkn

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2009

Wroc??aw, Poland

Midnight Mayhem

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i wonder if it's just cosmethic or has something to do with the bytes, just 255 per stack looks worse than 250 ;p

we love ectos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

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A/Me

/Signed...very usefull

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

/signed indeed, I hate the stacks right now. 1000 would be so much better.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

/signed

But of course A-Net would never do this - they'd rather sell you new character slots or accounts :-P

Ralisti

Ralisti

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

CST

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/pointless petition

it's a no brainer that everyone would love higher stack sizes so they could horde more stuff
It's 250 for a reason- if you want more storage you have to pay for it
might as well have tons of pointless petitions-

I would like guild wars to let me have Base Defense on my skill bar for all my toons- /SIGNED!

rokocoko

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

E/

/signed

More storage space won't hurt anyone.

own age myname

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita View Post
/signed

But of course A-Net would never do this - they'd rather sell you new character slots or accounts :-P
^this.

But, /signed anyways

Shriketalon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by drkn View Post
i wonder if it's just cosmethic or has something to do with the bytes, just 255 per stack looks worse than 250 ;p
Indeed, this is a memory issue.

In hexadecimal, it takes 8 bits to represent a number up to 256 (2^8). Storage space, via memory, thus goes to 250, because you can represent the number of items in each slot with eight bits.

Your suggestion would basically require 2 more bits per every single stack. While this doesn't sound like much at all, think of it as a 25% increase in the size of memory required, not counting name and other data, to store your stuff. That means more hard drive space dedicated to virtual item memory, hardware which is not in any way, shape, or form free.

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

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We have Material Storage which holds 250 of every crafting material. We have storage panels (some free, some available for purchase), and we have 2 bags, a belt pouch, and a backpack that can all hold stackable items. Outside of armor, nothing requires more than 250 of an item, and armor is a one time purchase, not like you need to carry those materials around all the time.

Would it be nice? Absolutely. Is it necesary? Absolutely not. And in case you are wondering, I horde materials and collectibles. I have 12 stacks of Dust alone, and that does not include my iron, granite, feathers, cloth, bone, etc. Would I like to be able to stack more than 250? Yes, but I don't NEED to. Due to the possible difficulties with the server support from something like this, I'd rather they put their time/energy into skill balances, bug fixes, and game additions (more Dhuum like updates).

Not Listing it Here

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2010

Would be nice, but I would rather the dev time be spent elsewhere. Like, maybe raising the toon gold limit or storage limit (or both).

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

yes it would be a great improvement but if it would indeed demand more memory to store above 250 then it will not happen, not in GW1 anyway.
I also doubt more storage will come about as I recon they have just about reached the limit of what the majority will pay.

It might be possible to make more things stack as presumably it takes the same memory to store 250 as it does to store 1.

Another option could be to create extra items that stand for multiple items.
There are fireworks rockets sparklers etc and there are also Boxes of fireworks.
So maybe there could be similar groups for other items, 250 wood becomes for instance Timber and you could store 250 timber.

I am sure you clever people could come up with decent names for all the resources in the game.
The material costs of all items you buy or craft would of course need to allow for the new material classes.
So something requiring 500 wood would accept 2 timber etc.

Hope that.snot too crazy an idea.

Dorny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Switzerland

Dragons of Shadows [DOS]

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Even though it wont happen, /signed.

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
yes it would be a great improvement but if it would indeed demand more memory to store above 250 then it will not happen, not in GW1 anyway.
I also doubt more storage will come about as I recon they have just about reached the limit of what the majority will pay.

It might be possible to make more things stack as presumably it takes the same memory to store 250 as it does to store 1.

Another option could be to create extra items that stand for multiple items.
There are fireworks rockets sparklers etc and there are also Boxes of fireworks.
So maybe there could be similar groups for other items, 250 wood becomes for instance Timber and you could store 250 timber.

I am sure you clever people could come up with decent names for all the resources in the game.
The material costs of all items you buy or craft would of course need to allow for the new material classes.
So something requiring 500 wood would accept 2 timber etc.

Hope that.snot too crazy an idea.
Now I can TOTALLY get behind an idea like that. It sounds like less work/memory, but I don't know how hard it would be for them to modify traders to accept the bigger bundle counterpart to materials.

But I dig it. totally.

/signed

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Technical restriction. Increasing the amount over 255 would require doubling the space on disk, memory on server, and memory on client required to handle this data. Highly unlikely a-net would do that. Convenient for the player, but unlikely.

REDdelver

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Girls Pee Pee When They See [ME]

N/Mo

Would there any downside to changing the materials storage pane to something like this?

Instead of holding upto 250 of each of 36 crafting materials....what about changing it to where you can store 36 slots of max(250) of crafting materials.

For example. One could 36 stacks of ectos in it then nothing else.

Or you could do 10 stacks of dust, 10 iron, ......and so forth.

I know i have several 0's in my storage of things I never have the need for. SO it would be nice to use those slots to store materials that I do use.

Would this help or would there be any downside that I'm not thinking of atm?

Clarifying : as well as partial stacks of a material, not just full stacks.

jazilla

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

If they won't raise the plat limit a character can hold(besides the fact that a large part of the user base feels that will hurt the economy) i love this idea as an alternative!
/signed

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

they should just take the cap off...no point for it in the first place

own age myname

own age myname

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Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawliet Kira View Post
they should just take the cap off...no point for it in the first place
Actually there is a point, it takes less memory for Anet if it's at 250 stack count

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by REDdelver View Post
Instead of holding upto 250 of each of 36 crafting materials....what about changing it to where you can store 36 slots of max(250) of crafting materials.
One of the things that makes the crafting storage so darn efficient is they DONT need an ID for the item. Basically it's a block of memory like this:

0 120 50 30 200

Since crafting storage is always in the same order, the game can simply interpret this as say 0 wood, 120 iron, 50 fiber, 30 chitin, 200 steel.

If you want different stacks of stuff, you're going to need an extra number to indicate what is being stored for each slot. That needs to hold at least 6 bits for over 32 possible IDs... but knowing Anet they'd probably just round it up to a byte anyway for efficient processing. Basically it would double the amount of memory needed for the same # of slots. (Albeit, it's arguable that half the storage slots with this flexibility would be preferable.)

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte

That should give you some insight.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Obivously more storage is good, but since it requires more storage space on the servers, it would cost Anet more. That extra cost would most likely be passed onto the players. Since I don't have any major problems with stacks (I'm not farming obsessed with 10+ stacks of one material), I wouldn't get anything out of this, so /notsigned.

Trader of Secrets

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

or buy more storage space just like they already provide.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets View Post
or buy more storage space just like they already provide.
I'dd buy if it was 9.99 for all extra not for one extra pane.

Risus

Risus

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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No, GTFO, only the richest of the rich would have aproblem with a stack of 250. Which no one has characters all stocked full of 250a. You can buy storage panes, you can buy character slots for mule accounts, totalling to 200 in storage space, and 450 spaces with 10 characters. If you need more that 650 spaces, please open a thread in Ventari's Corner and trash some stuff. I gurantee you that the stack of worthless collectable drop will never have any use in the future.

Rekliss

Rekliss

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Join Date: Sep 2009

[SMF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralisti View Post
/pointless petition

it's a no brainer that everyone would love higher stack sizes so they could horde more stuff
It's 250 for a reason- if you want more storage you have to pay for it
might as well have tons of pointless petitions-

I would like guild wars to let me have Base Defense on my skill bar for all my toons- /SIGNED!
here's the problem: once you bought all of the panes and run out of room, it becomes useful. If you actually did almost everything in the game, you could see that each char has an extreme variety of weapons/armor they use, alot of collectible items, dyes, tomes. Full tomes takes up a whole pane. Dyes take up over 1/2 a pane. Saving UNID's to sell takes up an ASSLOAD of room. So depending on what you are doing... you need more room. This is just a nice way to save us some with minimal effort.

/Signed

spirit of defeat

spirit of defeat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Holland

Rt/

everyone here just wants more stuff.
But why?

You rarely need more then 250, unless you are saving for an armor.
and if you are just use normal storage for the time being.

no need for it.
/not singed

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shriketalon View Post
Indeed, this is a memory issue.

In hexadecimal, it takes 8 bits to represent a number up to 256 (2^8). Storage space, via memory, thus goes to 250, because you can represent the number of items in each slot with eight bits.

Your suggestion would basically require 2 more bits per every single stack. While this doesn't sound like much at all, think of it as a 25% increase in the size of memory required, not counting name and other data, to store your stuff. That means more hard drive space dedicated to virtual item memory, hardware which is not in any way, shape, or form free.
So thats why the magical number is 250 per stack? I never thought about this before.

Kurosaki129

Kurosaki129

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2009

Guild Wars, Earth?

Mo/E

this wouldn't happen at all. Storage Panes are introduced. No reason to increase stack sizing since this means they will lose $ if they increase stack size, and the fact people that would not pay for storage panes once stack size is increased.