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Jensy

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19 Feb 2010 at 19:07 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mireles

uhhh, I don't think anyone is getting anything.

Like I been saying since the XTH broke... it should stay broke... because its is basically printing more of a secondary guild wars currency and giving it away for free...which is really bad for the guild wars economy.

As for all those people that said there entitled to free keys because that is why you purchased accounts....

I told you.....

Check the OP again, dude:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...76&postcount=1

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19 Feb 2010 at 20:24 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jensy

Check the OP again, dude:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...76&postcount=1

Check the post times again dude:

OP: Feb 17, 2010 01:45 pm
---Martin quote: Feb 17, 2010 03:28 pm
-----OP Edit: Feb 17, 2010 03:37 pm

Regina's post: Feb 17, 2010 04:10 pm

No posts from A-Net have been made since Regina's "this second distribution of the May 2009 TRPs will unfortunately not happen" comment.

Martin Alvito

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19 Feb 2010 at 20:35 - 83

Regina is saying in the follow-up post that the promised redistribution of points according to XTH records will not happen.

Her journal states that an NPC will be placed in-game to provide a one-time, equal distribution of TRPs to all accounts in lieu of that redistribution.

TL;DR version: Everybody will get a fixed amount of TRPs per account.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:00 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Her journal [Feb 17 entry] states that an NPC will be placed in-game to provide a one-time, equal distribution of TRPs to all accounts in lieu of that redistribution. [Quoted in OP @ 01:45 pm]

Regina is saying in the follow-up post that the promised redistribution of points according to XTH records will not happen. [posted @ 04:10 pm]

TL;DR version: Everybody will no longer get a fixed amount of TRPs per account?

Fixed for timeline accuracy...

edit: Just to clarify, I'm not picking on anyone.

This thread has been;

97% QQ
2% misleading information
1% factual statement

I, as well as other I'm sure, would like a little clarification on the last statement made by Regina after addressing Magmared's statement.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:04 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clan Ta`Lis

Fixed for timeline accuracy...

Go back, re-read the posts, use your brain, come back to this page, post apology, and then read a book.

Good day to you.

Just4Fun

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:07 - 86

This is how I read it:

the Zaishen Order is currently looking into Kun Shao's bookkeeping, and they will assist in sorting out his records--meaning we will put an NPC in game that will give each Guild Wars account a fixed amount of points. Each account can pick up those points from the NPC one time only.

I take it that they will give us our fixed TRPs. fixed meaning they get the correct amount from his records, because why else would they even need to sort out his records?

And for those that did not participated in the May Tourney will get their own fixed amount, or maybe they won't. Not sure if by each account meant accounts in Kun Shao' book.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:08 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just4Fun

This is how I read it:

the Zaishen Order is currently looking into Kun Shao's bookkeeping, and they will assist in sorting out his records--meaning we will put an NPC in game that will give each Guild Wars account a fixed amount of points. Each account can pick up those points from the NPC one time only.

I take it that they will give us our fixed TRPs. fixed meaning they get the correct amount from his records, because why else would they even need to sort out his records?

And for those that did not participated in the May Tourney will get their own fixed amount, or maybe they won't. Not sure if by each account meant accounts in Kun Shao' book.

Oh, good God. Seriously? Is Reading Comprehension no longer a course in most elementary/middle schools?

Shit.....

These people may be our lawyers one day......think about it. Something needs to be done about our childrens' education. FOR THE CHILDREN!

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:13 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just4Fun

This is how I read it:

the Zaishen Order is currently looking into Kun Shao's bookkeeping, and they will assist in sorting out his records--meaning we will put an NPC in game that will give each Guild Wars account a fixed amount of points. Each account can pick up those points from the NPC one time only.

I take it that they will give us our fixed TRPs. fixed meaning they get the correct amount from his records, because why else would they even need to sort out his records?

And for those that did not participated in the May Tourney will get their own fixed amount, or maybe they won't. Not sure if by each account meant accounts in Kun Shao' book.

Facepalm worthy.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:14 - 89

you soooo smart Karate.

Martin Alvito

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:17 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clan Ta`Lis

Fixed for timeline accuracy...

The ordering of the statements I made was intended and logical. The logical statements Regina expressed are:

No, you will not get A like we promised.
Instead of A, you will get B.

The temporal ordering of when Regina gave those statements is irrelevant to the underlying logic. I highly advise you to find a logic course and sign up for it. Community college, whatever.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:18 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

You, sir, are an idiot.

Go back, re-read the posts, use your brain, come back to this page, post apology, and then read a book.

Good day to you.

You sir, need to not be a pompous ass and show me where I am wrong!

I HAVE read this thread, and the related posts numerous times in order to insure accuracy of my comment.

I have simply pointed out a written timeline of comments, with the LATEST comment stating the redistribution will no longer occur.

Please, show me why I need to apologise?

EDIT: nice ninja edit Karate- too slow though
EDIT 2: \/ \/ dang mods are fast! lol

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:20 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clan Ta`Lis

Please, show me why I need to apologise?

If I show you, then how are you supposed to learn?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clan Ta`Lis

EDIT: nice ninja edit Karate- too slow though

Re-read who edited my post. It wasn't me, oh smart one

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:25 - 93

meaning we will put an NPC in game that will give each Guild Wars account a fixed amount of points. Each account can pick up those points from the NPC one time only.

Can it be any more clear than what this says.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:28 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

The ordering of the statements I made was intended and logical. The logical statements Regina expressed are:

No, you will not get A like we promised.
Instead of A, you will get B.

The temporal ordering of when Regina gave those statements is irrelevant to the underlying logic. I highly advise you to find a logic course and sign up for it. Community college, whatever.

The ordering of the statements you made were illogical, no matter what the intent, and only serve to create confusion. The statements Regina expressed in order by date/time are:

Instead of A, you will get B.
Now, you will no longer get B.

Colloquial verbiage aside, I honestly can't tell if you are merely trolling...

Earth

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:28 - 95

A = Distribution of the points you are supposed to get, according to the predictions you made back in may 2009.
B = The fixed amount of points everyone is now getting.

Now tell me, where did she say you will no longer get B?

Karate Jesus

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:33 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earth

A= Distribution of the points you are supposed to get, according to the predictions you made back in may 2009.
B= The fixed amount of points everyone is now getting.

Now tell me, where does it say you will no longer get B?

Give him another minute or two to let it sink in. He'll eventually understand. Judging by his writing style, he's not an idiot, so maybe he just needs to slow down and think like an Anet employee (hint: bluntly and aimed at teenagers)

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:36 - 97

When you go and take that logic course, you will learn that the ordering of statements doesn't matter. All that matters is the content. When she gave those statements is irrelevant to the meaning.

The qualifier that you seem to be missing in the first sentence I provided is according to XTH records. ANet specifically promised that they would use the records they had to redistribute the points. The point of Regina's later clarification post was to explicitly confirm that they were reneging on that, and that the fixed sum of TRPs is all we get.

Accusing me of trolling was a nice touch.

@ Earth: Thank you for explicitly putting that out there so I didn't have to.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:40 - 98

Please feel free to edit the OP if further clarification is required. It may upset the delicate timeline of this thread and create a paradox should I do so. Plus I can't spot what part of it is unclear.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:44 - 99

Anything A-Net said before they decided to abandon the XTH was said with the idea of a return of the XTH ("Plan A"). Once they decided to scrap the thing once and for all ("Plan B"), any statements they made regarding distributions of points under "Plan A" no longer apply because the implemtation of plan "Plan B" doesn't include a mechanism for distributing May Tournament points, but instead includes a universal, equal, distribution of points.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:46 - 100

Earth, this is my interpretation of Regina's comment in Post #31 of this thread, which was made after her journal entry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Quote:

[Magmared Quote]

You hit the nail on the head right there. The messaging from Linsey occurred earlier than the follow-up messaging in June and July. As you know, game development is a very iterative process, and sometimes there issues that crop up, as we found with XTH. And as our programmers explored deeper into the code base, we found that the only way to fix XTH and accourately distribute those points would have been to create it from scratch again. Unfortunately, this would have involved pulling vital resources away from Guild Wars 2. And as we let you know last summer:

We distributed the May 2009 points in June. Some did not get the accurate number of points. Some did not get points at all.
Accurate distribution (or re-distribution) of the May 2009 TRPs was dependent upon fixing XTH.

---My brain is inserting a "cutline" here. Above is a reply, below a general comment.---

Because we made the decision not to pull resources away from GW2 to fix XTH, this second distribution of the May 2009 TRPs will unfortunately not happen. We're sorry that this is disappointing for you, but we feel that this is the right decision for the company's resources.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:47 - 101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Anything A-Net said before they decided to abandon the XTH was said with the idea of a return of the XTH ("Plan A"). Once they decided to scrap the thing once and for all ("Plan B"), any statements they made regarding distributions of points under "Plan A" no longer apply because "Plan B" includes a universal, equal, distribution of points.

It's nice to see some people do comprehend.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:48 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Please feel free to edit the OP if further clarification is required. It may upset the delicate timeline of this thread and create a paradox should I do so. Plus I can't spot what part of it is unclear.

It's ok. According to the following chart, this thread is capable of paradox-correcting time travel.

Oh, wait....wrong chart. Well, either way, just be aware that the doom-field grows exponentially every time we time travel, so you could rip apart the universe while simultaneously creating a terrible pun about Jehovah's Witnesses.

Earth

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:53 - 103

What Regina means with the second distribution of the points is the accurate distribution of the points, the points you would get if you had voted back in may 2009. This accurate distribution was dependent on fixing the XTH. (A)

Because they will not fix the XTH, the accurate distribution can not happen. This meant no one would get any points.

However, because there have been complaints from people about not getting any points now that the XTH is not getting fixed, they have decided to put an NPC in the game which will grant every account a fixed amount of points, regardless of whether they voted back in may 2009 or not.

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19 Feb 2010 at 21:54 - 104

Cool, I'm getting a fixed amount of points on all my accounts

hooray!

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:01 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jensy

Check the OP again, dude:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...76&postcount=1

yeah, i know.... the quote was after opening post. keep reading to page 2.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/m...0426863p2.html

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:12 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

It's ok. According to the following chart, this thread is capable of paradox-correcting time travel.

Oh, wait....wrong chart. Well, either way, just be aware that the doom-field grows exponentially every time we time travel, so you could rip apart the universe while simultaneously creating a terrible pun about Jehovah's Witnesses.

Wait, so if I fling a cat away from me, I can become more intelligent and travel back in time without paradox?

I highlighted the last part of Regina's statement. Timeline shattered.

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:14 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

It's nice to see some people do comprehend.

Thanks.

I can dumb it down even further if need be.

NOTE: I had to edit my post because of a minor inaccuracy.

Mireles

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:20 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Wait, so if I fling a cat away from me, I can become more intelligent and travel back in time without paradox?

I highlighted the last part of Regina's statement. Time-line shattered.

ok, why is there a response in this thread from her saying otherwise after your opening post?

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:24 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mireles

ok, why is there a response in this thread from her saying otherwise after your opening post?

I am sorry, but you have failed to comprehend what you have read. You have also failed to comprehend explanations, so I can say nothing further to help.

Mireles

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:30 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

You hit the nail on the head right there. The messaging from Linsey occurred earlier than the follow-up messaging in June and July. As you know, game development is a very iterative process, and sometimes there issues that crop up, as we found with XTH. And as our programmers explored deeper into the code base, we found that the only way to fix XTH and accourately distribute those points would have been to create it from scratch again. Unfortunately, this would have involved pulling vital resources away from Guild Wars 2. And as we let you know last summer:

We distributed the May 2009 points in June. Some did not get the accurate number of points. Some did not get points at all.
Accurate distribution (or re-distribution) of the May 2009 TRPs was dependent upon fixing XTH.

Because we made the decision not to pull resources away from GW2 to fix XTH, this second distribution of the May 2009 TRPs will unfortunately not happen. We're sorry that this is disappointing for you, but we feel that this is the right decision for the company's resources.

Maybe because your not addressing the issue...let me clarify

I'm, not asking you if we get points.... I'm asking, if the post above made on the second page of this very same thread.... came after the wiki blog that you quoted on your opening post?... Yes or No?

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:41 - 111

I think Mireles just shattered your time line... lol.

Earth

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:47 - 112

Yes, that was posted after the wiki journal post, however: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=103

Additional clarification: They do not need to pull resources away from GW2 in order to give every account a fixed amount of points. < THEY ARE DOING THIS

They would have to pull resources away from GW2 if they were going to give users the amount of points they deserve. < THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:51 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earth

What Regina means with the second distribution of the points is the accurate distribution of the points, the points you would get if you had voted back in may 2009. This accurate distribution was dependent on fixing the XTH. (A)

Thank You Earth! It seems now that she is referring to her Journal entry from July 1st in that post.

I apologize for cluttering this thread.

In my defense, that "second" distribution mentioned in post #31, appeared to refer to the Feb 17 journal entry from the OP, not Regina's (linked) journal entry on July 1st, where they stated an attempt to fix the distribution.
Honestly, not being familiar with her July 01 entry, it appeared that post #31 was a direct response to the current thread comments, with an update added at the end.

To those of you that memorize everything Anet posts:
Not once, was the July 01, 2009 Journal entry quoted in this thread for clarification, don't make assumptions.

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:52 - 114

I think a new thread is in order... this is confusing

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19 Feb 2010 at 22:58 - 115

I didn't get points for the few months leading up to May and had an open support ticket about it - they kept saying I would get the points when the Xth was sorted out.....

I guess not now then

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19 Feb 2010 at 23:00 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clan Ta`Lis

To those of you that memorize everything Anet posts:
Not once, was the July 01, 2009 Journal entry quoted in this thread for clarification, don't make assumptions.

Actually, I hyperlinked her July 01, 2009 Journal entry exactly like she did on her Feb 17, 2010 journal entry that I quoted. If you check the OP, that link is still there. I am glad that you now understand.

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19 Feb 2010 at 23:04 - 117

I'm happy that they're not bothering any longer with XTH, but I'm really not a fan of everyone getting a fixed amount of Tourney points on all of their accounts.

It won't be so bad though, as long as the NPC doesn't hand out points to accounts created after introduction of this NPC, or they decide the NPC is only going to be around for a couple months, and as long as the amount of the reward isn't something ridiculous, like any three digit number.

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19 Feb 2010 at 23:19 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

I'm happy that they're not bothering any longer with XTH, but I'm really not a fan of everyone getting a fixed amount of Tourney points on all of their accounts.

It won't be so bad though, as long as the NPC doesn't hand out points to accounts created after introduction of this NPC, or they decide the NPC is only going to be around for a couple months, and as long as the amount of the reward isn't something ridiculous, like any three digit number.

Since it'll only happen this once, let it slide. The people who'll use the points they should have earned will use them; the zkeys buyers will be as greedy as possible buying them from always lower prices, two months later they're back to normal; and the world carries on.

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20 Feb 2010 at 00:23 - 119

High Priest Zhang in the Great Temple of Balthasar now has the records - and Kun Shao has been banished to the Menagerie.

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20 Feb 2010 at 00:30 - 120

10 z keys.... all i ever wanted :P