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Nechrond

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23 Feb 2010 at 12:26 - 1

The upcoming Spirit Rift change (damage will be dealt over time, rather than all at once after a few seconds) will be epic and unholy fail. If you wish to buff Channeling Rits, DON'T kill solo-spike. This should be obvious. And why add cracked armor to it when the existing synergy with Weaken Armor is overwhelming? Same AoE, same cooldown, you get a window of opportunity to cast it before the damage is dealt... I've been using this quite a bit and it works just fine, especially since the armor penetration from DwG is applied AFTER the penalty from cracked armor.
I agree with pretty much all other changes, but this one just seems dumb to me.

Gift3d

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23 Feb 2010 at 13:08 - 2

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Originally Posted by Nechrond

spike

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Originally Posted by dev notes

pve

am i missing something here

Shayne Hawke

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23 Feb 2010 at 13:34 - 3

Think of it this way: You can stop bringing Weaken Armor now and start bringing something else that will help you spit out damage.

Nechrond

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23 Feb 2010 at 13:54 - 4

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

am i missing something here

I'm not sure. I could only find that the changes were meant to influence PvE, not that they were actually PvE-only. If it is, the change would be more acceptable, but I'll still be sad to see it go. It's a fun skill to use, and even in PvE, solo-spiking is good against groups with strong healers.

Shayne Hawke

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23 Feb 2010 at 14:07 - 5

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Originally Posted by Nechrond

It's a fun skill to use, and even in PvE, solo-spiking is good against groups with strong healers.

Strong healers? Just team up with a Mesmer, I hear they're good at disabling. :trollface:

I think I know an underlying reason of why they're changing it this way, at least in regards to the adding of Cracked Armor on the last second though. I don't think I can say now, but I'll tell you if they don't explain it in the Dev Update on Thursday.

Nechrond

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23 Feb 2010 at 14:16 - 6

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

I don't think I can say now, but I'll tell you if they don't explain it in the Dev Update on Thursday.

Very exciting, but the point is to prevent it from happening, not to let it happen and then discuss whether or not it's horrible, and then wait half a year before the change gets reverted and I get to use my spell again :P

Skyy High

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23 Feb 2010 at 15:00 - 7

I don't see how it's that horrible. You say it has perfect synergy with another skill in a different attribute...well, now you don't have to use that skill. Hurray for you!

Nechrond

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23 Feb 2010 at 15:03 - 8

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

I don't see how it's that horrible. You say it has perfect synergy with another skill in a different attribute...well, now you don't have to use that skill. Hurray for you!

I also don't get the benefits of cracked armor until my second Rift. Hurray for whatever I'm trying to kill. Besides, that was just a detail. The main thing is that it will be changed from damage after time to damage over time, which kills the solo-spike.

spirit of defeat

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Holland

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23 Feb 2010 at 15:25 - 9

How do you know these upcoming changes?

ontopic, I'm 100% rit and i rarely use Spirit Rift
I have no opinion on this (yet)

Nechrond

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23 Feb 2010 at 15:28 - 10

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Originally Posted by spirit of defeat

How do you know these upcoming changes?

ontopic, I'm 100% rit and i rarely use Spirit Rift
I have no opinion on this (yet)

They're on the Wiki. There's a topic in General Discussion with a link to it.

EDIT: And if you're a Rit fan, you'll love what they're doing to DwG.

Arduin

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23 Feb 2010 at 17:18 - 11

With the upcoming change people have at least a chance of surviving a Spirit Rift in HM cast by a lvl 28 Ritualist Boss.

aeligos

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23 Feb 2010 at 18:02 - 12

why keep nerfing skills?

-.-

will i have to nerf my HDD and remove GW?

Morphy

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Not going to keep up with that anymore

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23 Feb 2010 at 18:08 - 13

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Originally Posted by aeligos

phucking hell!

why keep nerfing skills?

-.-

will i have to nerf my HDD and remove GW?

Do that. Please do. Just leave the game and this forum. You'll be doing everyone a favor, yourself including.

Del

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23 Feb 2010 at 18:49 - 14

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Do that. Please do. Just leave the game and this forum. You'll be doing everyone a favor, yourself including.

Looks like someone has a case of the mondays.

spirit of defeat

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23 Feb 2010 at 18:52 - 15

after reading all things they want to change I doubt I will use any of those. my personal hh team which uses 10-11 spirit's won't see much changes.

upier

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Done.

[JUNK]

23 Feb 2010 at 19:19 - 16

I came here expecting to find people protesting about the possibility of the AoE scatter effect triggering due to the pulsating nature of the new SR, but I guess that's not an issue.
Carry on.

Fap

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23 Feb 2010 at 20:55 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphy

Do that. Please do. Just leave the game and this forum. You'll be doing everyone a favor, yourself including.

I second this.

ShadowsRequiem

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24 Feb 2010 at 00:47 - 18

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Originally Posted by Arduin

With the upcoming change people have at least a chance of surviving a Spirit Rift in HM cast by a lvl 28 Ritualist Boss.

Or you know... you could just move when you see the long drawn out easily avoidable animation.

Arduin

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24 Feb 2010 at 05:50 - 19

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Or you know... you could just move when you see the long drawn out easily avoidable animation.

Yes, with 5 other party members, a bunch of minions, a pet, a few summons on the bridge at Zen Daijun, a laggy connection and with the oppressive skill animations Anet implemented for even the simplest of skills. The animation is easily lost, especially to new players. There are a lot of people needing help on that particular mission in my alliance.

Giga_Gaia

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24 Feb 2010 at 06:43 - 20

I would think that because H/H will never move out of aoe (no matter what Anet claims, they do not), that this skill change would practically wipe your H/H team in HM before you can flag them out of it quick enough. Given how they love to huddle together, I would have thought that some one might have thought of this sooner? Or am I missing something here?

spirit of defeat

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24 Feb 2010 at 06:58 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

Yes, with 5 other party members, a bunch of minions, a pet, a few summons on the bridge at Zen Daijun, a laggy connection and with the oppressive skill animations Anet implemented for even the simplest of skills. The animation is easily lost, especially to new players. There are a lot of people needing help on that particular mission in my alliance.

in battle I usually look more at the radar and the enemy hp bar than then the actual map.

And about the scatter.
I don't know how quick mob's scatter......
And do h/h scatter?

drkn

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24 Feb 2010 at 07:30 - 22

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Strong healers? Just team up with a Mesmer, I hear they're good at disabling. :trollface:

mesmers here, mesmers there, mesmers sucking everywhere!
at disabling as well.

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after reading all things they want to change I doubt I will use any of those. my personal hh team which uses 10-11 spirit's won't see much changes.

that's the problem. i mean, not your problem - devs' problem. rits didn't need a buff or change unless spirits were nerfed, generally, in the same update. if not, everyone will still run old op builds they're used to and proven useful, occassionally meddling with some newly buffed things for fun. and then just go back to spirits.

J I L T

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24 Feb 2010 at 16:27 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkn

that's the problem. i mean, not your problem - devs' problem. rits didn't need a buff or change unless spirits were nerfed, generally, in the same update. if not, everyone will still run old op builds they're used to and proven useful, occassionally meddling with some newly buffed things for fun. and then just go back to spirits.

Yes what fools they are for buffing some useless skills and promoting different playstyles. Once one really overpowered build is made they should never buff anything else again especially because 100% of players use that very build 100% of the time and the overpowered build is never even the least bit ineffective ever. We should tar and feather them.

spirit of defeat

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25 Feb 2010 at 07:51 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by drkn

that's the problem. i mean, not your problem - devs' problem. rits didn't need a buff or change unless spirits were nerfed, generally, in the same update. if not, everyone will still run old op builds they're used to and proven useful, occassionally meddling with some newly buffed things for fun. and then just go back to spirits.

The one thing i might use is the changed item spell which makes rit-hexes last longer....(painfull bond) and the elites which they haven't told the details.
the small nerf of SOS is for the better. many don't realise usually SOGM is better.

drkn

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25 Feb 2010 at 12:51 - 25

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We should tar and feather them.

yes, for wasting time on already viable class with vast options to play pve.

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The one thing i might use is the changed item spell which makes rit-hexes last longer....(painfull bond) and the elites which they haven't told the details.

just grab spirit siphon and recast bond on recharge. nothing really changes, just general spiritmancer's dps gets down a little. and how many people will actually even care about newly buffed stuff when they have spirits, splinter barrage, resto?

Arduin

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26 Feb 2010 at 09:27 - 26

Spell. Open a Spirit Rift at target foe's location. After 3 seconds, all adjacent foes are struck for 25...113...135 lightning damage and suffer from Cracked Armor for 1...13...16 seconds.

I guess it just got buffed.

spirit of defeat

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26 Feb 2010 at 17:18 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

Spell. Open a Spirit Rift at target foe's location. After 3 seconds, all adjacent foes are struck for 25...113...135 lightning damage and suffer from Cracked Armor for 1...13...16 seconds.

I guess it just got buffed.

This tread apparently worked

in for
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Axel Zinfandel

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LaZy

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26 Feb 2010 at 20:50 - 28

It actually feels good to see that the people in this thread may have actively done something to help. Seems all is not -completely- lost :P