Xinraeway
Pirate Felix
New theory, since too many people complaining it was just a bad sabway
AndroBubbles
So basically it's SaBway, only it has two xinrae's. Clever boy.
Kosman
This looks like a bad variant of Sabway to be honest...
Neo Atomisk
so much defense, not enough offense. even with the SoS rit... I'll give it a quick try on my rit once I get necros, though.
Gift3d
would you stop with this already, the second 3 necro heroes became available to play with it was obvious.
Grim Aragorn
its the new craze on pvxwiki, they change 1 or 2 skills on a bar and name it after themselves
Pirate Felix
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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk
so much defense, not enough offense. even with the SoS rit... I'll give it a quick try on my rit once I get necros, though.
Team is supposed to be ran with maybe one henchmen healer (probably not in easy areas)
And offense is based on Xinrae Stealing life from mobs
And offense is based on Xinrae Stealing life from mobs
vBeryl
Idea: Put in Discord and name is Discordway.
Wait...
Wait...
AndroBubbles
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Originally Posted by Pirate Felix
Team is supposed to be ran with maybe one henchmen healer (probably not in easy areas)
And offense is based on Xinrae Stealing life from mobs That's pretty weak damage. Discordway is superior by a longshot, because it uses proactive damage instead of reactive. Hundreds of armor ignoring damage every few seconds>xinrae spam. It also has good survivability.
And offense is based on Xinrae Stealing life from mobs That's pretty weak damage. Discordway is superior by a longshot, because it uses proactive damage instead of reactive. Hundreds of armor ignoring damage every few seconds>xinrae spam. It also has good survivability.
Pirate Felix
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Originally Posted by vBeryl
Idea: Put in Discord and name is Discordway.
Wait... This is in no way similar to Discordway
Wait... This is in no way similar to Discordway
vBeryl
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Originally Posted by Pirate Felix
This is in no way similar to Discordway
Ok then smart one, Sabway.
Want to now say it's not similar to sabway?
Want to now say it's not similar to sabway?
Pirate Felix
Lord Dagon
MisterB
You can just put Signet of Spirits on the Curse/Channeling hero, flip a coin for WoR or Xinrae's, and Sabway would be better than this. I rarely take SS on the curse hero now.
Pirate Felix
Well actually, i began with the idea in RA, won against a warr 1v1 with Xinrae as only base of damage, so i went to GToB and invited my Necro Heroes and made this, using PwK as overpowered armor and party heal, spirit light as overpowered heal and Xinrae as prot and damage
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Pirate Felix
Xinrae as damage
That's the problem with this. The damage output is relatively low and single target, as well as being a single trigger.
Pirate Felix
Thinking of changing the MM in corpse light areas for a channeling Rt/Mo
But, shall i use SoS or DwG with the new patch?
But, shall i use SoS or DwG with the new patch?
AngelWJedi
Anduin
MisterB
Pirate Felix
Right then,
More damage, less heals:
No MM
More damage, less heals:
No MM
Zacchius
Shut A You Face
Didn't builds like this just used to be called "Variants" in pvx?
Pirate Felix
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Originally Posted by Shut A You Face
Didn't builds like this just used to be called "Variants" in pvx?
If you would actually read threads and see that i havent updated first post yet
Braxton619
Defense seems good but offense sucks.
AtomicMew
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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette
Its a reactive buff for one team member which relies on that team member to take damage (Life stealing however doesnt trigger Xinrae whereas SS is triggered by the Skill activation). in that sence it is a strong one time prot and a weak heal... but thats it for Xinrae... really no need for 2 copies of that one elite. If you want to stick with that basic setup, then at least changeone of the Xinraes to Weapon of Warding (or the similar elite... cant remmeber the name from that skill out of the basic Sabway build) that at least removers conditions.... But that will still be a sub par team setup. Still too much defence and far too little offence by far. ...The more you know...
I dislike when people throw around terms like "proactive" and "reactive" without having any real meaning behind those words. In the context of Guild Wars PvE Theorycrafting, when people refer to the superiority of "proactive skills", they are referring to skills that are able to synergize and create leverage like MoP and barbs. Discord has no ability to create leverage, and thus, the fact that SS is reactive (while discord is proactive) has almost no relation to the reason why it is not as good as discord. In other words, discord isn't better because it is proactive, discord is better because it is better.
Pirate Felix
Right, just did a few HM missions with this and zero deaths and real good damage with the Channeling hero.
IDK what you are all complaining about
IDK what you are all complaining about
Elephantaliste
what about WoHway ?
Luminarus
I did a few HM missions with a derv healer, a random crap hero mm and a vor mes + hench, no deaths.
Doesnt make it gud, or as efficent as sab/discorday...
Doesnt make it gud, or as efficent as sab/discorday...
Pirate Felix
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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste
what about WoHway ?
WoH doesnt steal health
Daesu
Xinrae is a weak elite, it is used more often because there are no better choices in restoration, for the hero AI. It is an over glorified Reversal of Fortune/Damage that takes up your elite slot.
Are the first 2 N/Rt or Rt/N? If they are N/Rt you cant get as much energy from soul reaping since you dont have a minion factory and if Rt/N they should have spirit siphon.
AR is weak in HM and spirit rift takes too long. Hero AI makes poor choices on where to cast MoP and MoP only works with physical damage, not spirit damage.
Are the first 2 N/Rt or Rt/N? If they are N/Rt you cant get as much energy from soul reaping since you dont have a minion factory and if Rt/N they should have spirit siphon.
AR is weak in HM and spirit rift takes too long. Hero AI makes poor choices on where to cast MoP and MoP only works with physical damage, not spirit damage.
Rushin Roulette
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Originally Posted by trcvrs
I dislike when people throw around terms like "proactive" and "reactive" without having any real meaning behind those words. In the context of Guild Wars PvE Theorycrafting, when people refer to the superiority of "proactive skills", they are referring to skills that are able to synergize and create leverage like MoP and barbs. Discord has no ability to create leverage, and thus, the fact that SS is reactive (while discord is proactive) has almost no relation to the reason why it is not as good as discord. In other words, discord isn't better because it is proactive, discord is better because it is better. Please read my post again. I did not say that either SS or Discord are better than the other. I just explained what reactive (The foe has to do something to meet the conditions) as opposed to proactive (you have to do somethgin to meet the conditions). I even went as far as saying that SS is similar to Discord. The 2 skills would even synergize together, because Discord requires a Hex as part of the damage conditions (Would only be interresting on foes with very high HP though).
Now back on topic. The new buildlooks better, but you might as well drop MoP and to a lesser extent Splinter weapon completely now. The MM was there to trigger MoP and also protecting the party with the Minion Meat shield which more or less also kept agro of the foes in one area.
With this now you have 2 skills which you can free up. If the top bar is for a Rit primary, you might want to think about adding Boon of creation so as to givr him a good nergy management skill for spirit spamming
AtomicMew
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Also, you have the definition of "synergize" wrong as well. There is no synergy between SS and discord: the complete opposite in fact.
There is no need to be so defensive. I'm just trying to make some things clearer.
MasterSasori
I see some significant problems with this build:
Why two Xinrae's? It's already a pretty lackluster skill. You get all the prot you need if you just run a ER infuser.
Communing sucks compared to other stuff you can use. I don't see why people use it other than Shadowsong and AoU.
PwK means you can't use your rit weapons and the +12 energy is more useful, especially
3 FoF? You shouldn't be dying that much. How can you leave out Mend Body and Soul? It's major bar compression, time and energy saver.
Another splinter weapon please. Another AR too.
Which ones are intended for necro and which one for rit? Necro with siphon spirit is pointless so I'm assuming that's a rit.
Runes, weapons, att spread, alternate skills, what class is this for? All that needs to be included.
Why two Xinrae's? It's already a pretty lackluster skill. You get all the prot you need if you just run a ER infuser.
Communing sucks compared to other stuff you can use. I don't see why people use it other than Shadowsong and AoU.
PwK means you can't use your rit weapons and the +12 energy is more useful, especially
3 FoF? You shouldn't be dying that much. How can you leave out Mend Body and Soul? It's major bar compression, time and energy saver.
Another splinter weapon please. Another AR too.
Which ones are intended for necro and which one for rit? Necro with siphon spirit is pointless so I'm assuming that's a rit.
Runes, weapons, att spread, alternate skills, what class is this for? All that needs to be included.
AtomicMew
Communing spirit spam is amazing in combination with channeling spirit spam. It's pretty much more damage than anything else a hero can do in H/H.
Pirate Felix
Bit of updating:
