Can we do anything about interrupt botting in HA?

The suggestion of having a client side monitor of all the activities, is exactly what Blizzard did, and yes it does work.

Although Blizzard very rarely actually bans the people on the lists, the point is that the lists exist and they are very very reliable and they can basically ban those people whenever they feel like it. A modification to the EULA is required first of course.

Sadly, cheaters are just feeding needs of editors to have reliable solutions that are mostly invasive solutions to monitor end-user actions, cf hardware locked/trusted computers...

Anyone confirm this?

Silver

Who the hell knows, were left in the dark with a lot of things done behind the arena net keyboards.

ok.. most likely will regret being this open butt...

still hunting for some kind of verification as to the injector detection code...

i decided i would see for myself.. and the result are promising.. so to speak.

got the latest bots that use injection method... all was d/c'ed after 3-5 minutes.. though i only did it a couple of times to check for consistency... and dare not use a bot long enough to get perma-banned...

again.. i don not bot nor do i PvP.. but personally.. i think anet is raging a sneak attack on the botters... and the curiosity was worth checking into.. for me anyway.

edit:
d/c code=007 if anyone was interested and my wife was on the same connection playing with no issues the entire time.

The way I look at it is, the only people who are botting are the ones trying to farm gold. Most people in HA that play as an interrupt have been doing so for awhile. However injection code can be mutated to look like normal play IF you encrypt your packets and a whole lot other stuff. Even though there are some people who can code a bot to take over the mouse and keyboard which will make it look like a normal player.

Since when was GW Pvp taken this seriously

Since there became big money in it with zkeys and selling titles. Always follow the money. You can HA for balth faction for zkeys, you can gvg for gold capes. However, my guess is the big botters are also selling fame for ectos and also champ points for pve players who want the titles. Huge money in that like you would not imagine. It makes powertrading look weak.

The scary part is that yes, mainly pvp problem, but any guess as to when it becomes a pve problem too? botwars2... coming soon.

You see what had happened was...

1. Stale Meta dead game occured here, causing all the PvE players to max shit.
2. Now when #1 happens on any game, the PvE players want to go join PvP.
3. Now see when #2 happens, you run into the hamstorm warriors and meteor first, then savanah heat ele's, or even the occasional 1996 Channeling Monk.
4. Due to #3 happening, PvP has a large influx of extreme shit players and practically useless people boning the game for the people who do PvP.
5. After #4 occurs, the real PvPers in the game get so fed up with having retards for allies/teammates, that they ragequit the game.
6. Now that #5 happens, this leaves all the really shitty PvE players with big brains and e-peens and logical thinking, but lack of an ability to compete and/or have any skill in PvP, to fight amongst each other.
7. Now PvE players with big brains are really pissed off that their mending wammo and hamstorm warrior isn't kicking someone ass, so they create a bot/macro, much like how they got all their titles from PvE if they didn't spend thouands of hours behind the keyboard wasting their life. Some of you did, not calling you out here.
8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.
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9. Now when a player who is good at PvP, and the game in general gets ahold of one of these bots, all hell breaks lose. Someone that knows how to play the game, has a working brain, AND has packet detectors that make little macros ring and pieces of coding curl up into balls, eventually leading to the doom that all your 3/4th cast spells belong to them.
10. If number 8 is false; then number 9 takes effect.


This is how PvP became a big deal in GW, and what it has lead to. A small history lesson to those of you wondering.

[QUOTE=The-Bigz;5078392]You see what had happened was...


8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.
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You almost had a good argument until point 8, no one mentioned getting interrupted on 2 second casts, except you...

Most folks can interrupt 2 secs casts, the problem is the 3/4 casts and frequency, even on half casts.

Anyway, noticed that interrupt bots are still in full swing, was playing the other day and was getting interrupted at the same point on 1 second skills. The other team had two mesmers in a balanced team...go figure...

Silver

There are no staff members to deal with such grievances therefore /reports are not examined. They're just empty threats designed to discourage.

Until someobdy is employed to look for and deal with bots, they will run rampant. There's the problem.

[QUOTE=Silverblad3;5079854][QUOTE=The-Bigz;5078392]You see what had happened was...


8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.
If OP is not a retard - Thats you. Then it wasn't a 2 second cast that keeps getting rupted.


10. If 8 is false; then move to number 9. Read the full post.

[QUOTE=The-Bigz;5079899][QUOTE=Silverblad3;5079854]I read the full post but it seems that you have not HA'd much lately, there are some 2 second casts that you want to interrupt, are important to rupt (SoC, HP, Martyr etc) and the bot tool allows that. Will you detect it? Hardly. They are easy to interrupt but will let the user focus on also getting other key skills, hence it may not look like or seem like a bot, calling folks just retards for no 'real' reason or lack of understanding on 2 sec skills is actually quite funny, welcome to HA.....

Silver

wait your premise is that bad pve players are the cause of not only an exodus of brilliant pvp players but also the rise in prevalence of bots?

Ok, looks like people are still about as ignorant as they were 3-4 years ago.

To get some things straight here:

1) These bots can effectivly interrupt 1/4 second casts given your ping is below 250 - Cast time if your interrupt. It takes the bot about 1ms (Depending on your CPU speed) to react to someone using a skill, so this can be completely neglected.

So if you run a mesmer with a decent amount of FC (9), you will be able to interrupt 1/4 spells with 100% succesrate if your ping is below: 250 (Their Cast) - 5 (Time it takes for the bot to interrupt, for the sake of arguement we made it a bot slower) - 160 (Cast time of 1/4's at 9 FC) = 85 Ms.

So with a ping below 85 (Which isn't uncommon), a bot will guarantee interrupts on pretty much every spell getting cast on the battle field. This is why it is such a dangerous tool, because if the enemy monk is low on energy, and casts only Patient Spirit to avoid pleaks, the bot can still get a pleak on a patient off to guarantee a wipe.

2) PvE'ers don't use bots as much as PvP'ers do. Given, a PvE'er with an interrupt bot now has the potential to play in top 5 GvG's (I would even say win monthlies if he plays in a decent guild as mesmer), but that's not the problem.

The problem is that the bots can interrupt for you, while you can do everything else. This makes these bots not only a "good" tool for a PvE'er who has no clue how PvP works, but also for seasoned PvP'ers who understand the potential of this. You can essentially run Mo/Me's with distortion (Similar to block stances), but also with Pdrain to guarantee insane energy management resulting in pretty much never wiping.

You can stick it on a otherwise midliner (Paragon, ranger) and GUARANTEE every shame and diversion getting interrupted. Resulting in your Monks not having to waste any energy on faking (aside from dshots) or watching the enemy mesmer.

Point being: the options are limitness. And the "interrupting every spell you want" stretches alot further than shutting down enemy Monks. Having 1 bot on your team guarantees your Monks will have a walk in the park, OR your frontline will be able to kill in under 2 minutes. (If every pleak/pblock, teams wipe in under a minute)

3) This is a big deal. In PvE, noone really gives a shit if bots are farming bergen springs 24/7, because there is no direct victim. They only push prizes down a bit, but in the overal economy this is almost neglable. In PvP, one player using a bot means another player facing a bot. A player will NEVER beat a bot, despite some people claiming "bots have weaknesses and a good player will abuse those". There is no weakness about a bot controlling your interrupts, whereas you do everything else. (You can even stick it on a warrior to reflex 3/4's with dchop, whilst you do the hacking up)

^It's take a high advancement to take advance of bots. Walking to yours opponent is one thing. Making a decisive decision is what bot. Easy to wipe them but required top player and a top knowledge. Atm, so far I am able to call the owner of the bot user. Needed to say they spam noob, you sucks. Wiping them is ofcourse easy. Btw they won't do so if you use a famous name like Shaun or Vodka. Hehehe. Best to be unknows. If you want hinder theirs ways. =/

It is rampant in Random Arenas too... yesterday I got interrupted on every single of my skills even 1/2 cast ones.

I experienced this last night in RA too, the mesmer had several rupts on his bar, was rupting my skills and the healers near simultaneously....I guess we can expect to see more of them in RA too.

Silver

This far along the line by now it should be bot against bot; which sort of evens it out! May the best botter win!

Put it like this: I've been permarupted on my fast cast earth mesmer on a 40/40 set in Random Arenas. Ruptbots much? I also see SF ele bots who've been there for ages now. Dedd GW1 iz Dedd.

Most folk have come to the blissful conclusion that ANet really doesn't care about bots.

The CRs were in ID1 of GTOB last night doing their thing, I asked re the botting problems and Martin seemed to acknowlegde the question without any reply on actions about the situation. It does seem they are aware of the issue but who knows what will be done?

BTW (I was Lana) and a thank you for acknowleding the issue Martin. Just to add something to this point, several of the people I use to HA with gave up in frustration (basically quit playing altogether and they were hardcore GW players) that no action was taken against cheats.

IMHO it does seem that more folks are in HA then before, but there are definite dead times and at times over 25 teams forming in HA districts. But who knows if this is due to players using bots and finding it easier to HA or it is generally more interest in PvP.

Thanks

Silver

It's really easy to tell when someone is botting...especially with a bad bot. Skills will almost always be rupted at the same time, certain skills will never go off, and there's usually more interrupts than normal. For example, a few weeks ago in HA the other team ran two mesmers and a ranger, all interrupts. Only one of the mesmers was botting, and it was really obvious when our infuse got dwayna's while under HB power leeched consistently and our ele's fire attunement, if interrupted, was always interrupted at the last possible second.

One match there was a mesmer botting that wasn't even moving in the match except to interrupt people. Like someone dual booted GW and just had it botting while he played another character on the same team. It stood in Savannah Heat for a full duration and didn't kite at all, but that didn't stop our monks from getting channeling and other specific skills rupted every single time at the same time in casting.

Really frustrating to play HA when half the balanced teams you play on a given night are running a bot mesmer and less occasionally a botting magebane along with that.