So, what the farming nerf really means

Before I say anything, let me just make it clear that I never did speed clears with SF. I recently rejoined the game after a 6 month hiatus, and these are just my observations.


Alright, firstly, ecto prices have risen. This serves to add to the fortune of anyone who already was farming the UW with SF teams.

Secondly, the nerf didn't go far enough in ending the speed clears. They are still possible, but they need much more cohesive teams, making them much harder for the average guild wars play to become involved in. Teams now are much more likely to be guild teams that are highly experienced. This raises the bar for players who want to participate in elite areas with success.


In my opinion (and this is just me), the only viable solution is to completely flatten speedclears with the nerfbat. Go through and nerf enough skills so that the insanely fast runs we've seen in the past are never possible again.

Then, go through and buff underused classes (rangers, dervish, mesmers, paragons).

lastly, to compensate for the area's slower completion time, greatly increase the drop rates on rare items, ectos, and chest drops.


This would serve to allow better players (who will still complete runs faster), to garner the same amount of riches, while giving players that have less time, have more laid-back guilds, or who play underpowered classes a crack at those same areas.

comments? (if I messed up my grammar, forgive me, I'm very tired) Buff underused classes; where do you think Shadow Form came from? It got buffed about two yeas ago because no one was playing assassins.
Increase drop rates? Loot Scaling applies to most drops but not to any of the item classes you are refering too. We have been lead to believe that the drop rates for rare items, ectos and chest drops have not changed since the introduction of Hard Mode. Oh, wait... Hard mode simply improves the odds of rare drops, or so we are told.

Basicly, Arena Net has been trying to keep players happy while allocating almost no resourses to it. Many of the changes they made since the introduction were requested by players. Fans of PvP pushed PvP into the core of Factions (we all know how that turned out). Solo players go thier wish for equipable henchmen with changeable builds (Heros) with the addation of NightFall so now PuG are at the very least difficult to find. I guess when a bad idea gets yelled loud enough and long enough it becomes a good idea.

its a double-edged sword really...gw's elite areas and dungeons can (or could) be beaten through solo play and so there is no brilliant loot. remove the ability to beat them through solo play (sf/600 nerf was a step in the right direction), and you should then be able to offer 'brilliant loot'.

my ideal situation...let farmers farm explorable areas (i.e. raptor farming) and leave the elite missions and dungeons to organized teams. If soloing the dungeons was impossible, the loot that you can only get in them would automatically be brilliant.

If soloing the dungeons was impossible, the loot that you can only get in them would automatically be brilliant. I hope that soloing doesn't include h/h (not that I care as I play 2p+6h).

I hope that soloing doesn't include h/h (not that I care as I play 2p+6h). I consider H/H to be the same as playing in a full human team. I like 2p+6h too.

And I consider a full human team where one guy does the actual playing and the rest just sit back and chat as soloing (in this case, running).

I really don't get it. Why should those that have taken the time to get good at the game suffer because there are people that just aren't good enough to clear areas in a short period of time. Basically, why should those that are good at the game lose value because there are people raging around about how everything should be extremely easy to get, but at the same time are complaining about how easy farming is. In reference to an earlier comment made by OP, no I don't farm at all, I do everything "the way the game was meant to be played", or at least that seems to be the common misconception.

ANET supports farming, and as such it is fine. With this most recent update, they have made farming more difficult, which is essentially what they were going for. Why should everything become easier to get? Simply because you can't get them because you get bored of doing a dungeon once because it takes you 2 hours to complete a dungeon that takes a decent set of players 40 minutes to complete. Yea, I guess I'd get bored too, get better and it won't take nearly as long.
you're making the mistake of believing that because people finish an area fast, they are good players. They are just as good as anyone else, but they are using the specific build that abuses a few certain skills to turn "elite" areas into complete jokes. I agree that the guys doing sub-30 times were good players, with a ton of cohesion; but anyone and their brother could do UW in 45 minutes no sweat. My buddy made me come along once as an SoS rit and follow his ass around for 40 minutes. It wasn't hard, it really wasn't very fun, and the reward wasn't great (i think i got 2 ectos, and a decent shadow bow). Honestly, Ursan teams were probably more fun than SF speed clears (Or at least monking for them was).


Dungeons aren't terribly difficult (I'll admit that frostmaw's in hardmode was a BITCH), but they definitely are less rewarding than their level of difficulty suggests. When I can take my warrior and smite run for 5x as much money as a team fighting their way through the depths of hell, with pain in the butt environmental effects and huge bosses, their is something terribly wrong.

I'd just like Dungeons to offer rewards in line with their difficulty and lenght. There is no reason to do a dungeon over after you've experienced it the first time

Is is just me or is it that no one is going to be happy until everyone else is playing the game exactly how everyone else wants them to play it? Can't we all just STFU and play the game? And if you don't like how someone is playing the game, then why can't you go play with yourself. Sheesh. I love the irony of this post

Sheesh

With this most recent update, they have made farming more difficult Really? All farming, everywhere, for all classes? Funny, I have not found one single farm I do to be more difficult now than it was before. Raptors: no change. Feathers: no change. Undead: no change. Etc., etc., etc. How can this be!? Do you suppose ANet accidentally downloaded a different copy of GW to my machine than to others?

I really wish people would think before posting all these blanket statements in numerious threads to the effect that farming is now impossible or more difficult. Stop overgeneralizing and claiming that nerfs to a few "farms" (i.e., speed clears) for a particular subset of players constitutes a game-wide farmageddon for everyone. It doesn't, and saying so just makes you look like a drama queen.