As we all know, the recent nerfs were done to promote group play. Whether this is a good thing or not is a discussion for another thread. I'm thinking of ways to make pugging-one mode of group play-a little more enjoyable.
One of the major issues with pugs is the threat of leavers.
It's not so bad when the mission is short; but some of the higher-level missions are very involved, and rather long too.
Sp, often people just don't have the time to play the whole mission; others just leave at the least setback; and there are also the inevitable pc issues where the player simply gets disconnected...
What this game needs is a way to replace leavers mid-mission. Even if it's just a Hero, or an available npc henchy, we do need this...
Another way to make pugs fun...
vandevere
jazilla
A-Net has talked in length about how you will be able to add players during a game in GW2. There are however, no talks about it happening in GW1. I am sure this has been talked baout in a thread many times, and this late in the games life, I don't see them doing it at all. The only feedback they seem to be taking at this time is on skill updates. They are also working on that "apocalypse" stuff that was in one of the dev interviews. I am sure between that stuff and GW2, their plates are all too full to do anymore. In a perfect world, they would have released GW2 on time, or another expansion. Oh well.
Shayne Hawke
PuGs would be more fun if I could count on the general player not being pants-on-head retarded. I don't really see what ANet can do to fix this.
Zahr Dalsk
The problem isn't people leaving, the problem is people being idiots who think this is WoW and can't run a real build.
gremlin
The summoning stones that already exist in the game would be good enough to replace departing players.
Good enough that is in the run of the mill pve missions and quests, elite and end game areas are still best done with regular friends and guildies.
As for players being stupid in the game, yes that's a pain.
Inexperience and mistakes are fine but when they just run into mobs till they die so much they give up and leave then that is inexcusable.
Players with bad builds well that's the chance you take just make a note and don't take them again.
Good enough that is in the run of the mill pve missions and quests, elite and end game areas are still best done with regular friends and guildies.
As for players being stupid in the game, yes that's a pain.
Inexperience and mistakes are fine but when they just run into mobs till they die so much they give up and leave then that is inexcusable.
Players with bad builds well that's the chance you take just make a note and don't take them again.
Cuilan
I recently did City in DoA with two leaver monks. We did most of it without them and it was more rewarding with them gone. Normal mode, true, but I got extra gemstone drops.
Braxton619
Basically what others said. PUGs are generally retarted and nooby. It's better to H/H.
Cuilan
PUGs are wonderful and amazing when I'm leading them. Uh oh, there goes your theory.
Amy Awien
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Originally Posted by vandevere
One of the major issues with pugs is the threat of leavers.
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upier
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
PuGs would be more fun if I could count on the general player not being pants-on-head retarded. I don't really see what ANet can do to fix this.
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My fondest GW memory is when I did Althea's Ashes with some random guys and we got to the pyramid and saw we couldn't take down all the bad guys, so we just decided to all rush in, in hopes that at least one person gets to pick them up. And then we'd die, and do the EXACT same thing again, but with the people who already got the ashes serving as shields this time.
Today, I'd rage on those guys, dash back to the outpost, grab my heroes and let them blow up everything so that I can get back to grinding my ass off for the Luxon title.
vandevere
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
Don't see it as a threat, you can normally finish an 8 man mission or area with 6. See it as a relief for the healers, a player less means one less meatbags to heal.
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
The problem isn't people leaving, the problem is people being idiots who think this is WoW and can't run a real build.
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I choose her for my team
Kopa The Demon King
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Originally Posted by vandevere
Unless, of course, it's the healers who left...
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Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Kopa The Demon King
Which is usualy the case...that or the tank.
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Jeydra
Nothing wrong with running a tank.
!support this idea.
!support this idea.
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by jazilla
A-Net has talked in length about how you will be able to add players during a game in GW2. There are however, no talks about it happening in GW1.
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Axel Zinfandel
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Originally Posted by Jeydra
Nothing wrong with running a tank.
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Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Jeydra
Nothing wrong with running a tank.
!support this idea. |
When your party has a "tank":
- enemies attack your party due to the way Guild Wars monster AI handles targeting priority
- your "tank" is leeching off the group by dealing no damage and not supporting the party
When the party has a real warrior:
- the party is under Save Yourselves, gaining high armour and thus resilient to damage; priority to target the warrior is also higher so monks can focus prot a bit more on him
- the warrior is dealing proper damage with an attack skill or endurance+scythe
The party with a real warrior, rather than a tank, will perform better and more quickly.
MagmaRed
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I hope I never encounter you in a PUG. There's enough idiots already going "HURRR WE NEED A TANK."
When your party has a "tank": - enemies attack your party due to the way Guild Wars monster AI handles targeting priority - your "tank" is leeching off the group by dealing no damage and not supporting the party When the party has a real warrior: - the party is under Save Yourselves, gaining high armour and thus resilient to damage; priority to target the warrior is also higher so monks can focus prot a bit more on him - the warrior is dealing proper damage with an attack skill or endurance+scythe The party with a real warrior, rather than a tank, will perform better and more quickly. |
Jeydra
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I hope I never encounter you in a PUG. There's enough idiots already going "HURRR WE NEED A TANK."
When your party has a "tank": - enemies attack your party due to the way Guild Wars monster AI handles targeting priority - your "tank" is leeching off the group by dealing no damage and not supporting the party When the party has a real warrior: - the party is under Save Yourselves, gaining high armour and thus resilient to damage; priority to target the warrior is also higher so monks can focus prot a bit more on him - the warrior is dealing proper damage with an attack skill or endurance+scythe The party with a real warrior, rather than a tank, will perform better and more quickly. |
One of the most important skills to bring into HM is Prot Spirit. Why? Because Prot Spirit lets you tank. Tanking lets you ball enemies. Balling enemies lets you hit all of them with AoE attacks, AoE spells and deal lots of damage before their aggro scatters. The toughest areas in the game like SoO HM, Duncan HM, Vloxen's HM, etc would be so much harder if you didn't have Prot Spirit in the team.
You notice Kopa said teams will fail if the healer leaves, or the tank. Any individual player can leave because aggro can still be gathered with only Prot Spirit. But if the player with Prot Spirit leaves, and you are in the harder areas in the game, well good luck to you.