Vaettir with the new Obsidian Flesh
Magragoc
Hello all. After a long break from GW, the new skill update suckered me back in. Another thread was discussing the merits of Assassins vs. Elementalists farming vaettir in Jaga Moraine, so I went to give it a go.
I was shocked at how smoothly the runs were, especially considering how long it's been since I've gone kegging. It's as safe as the old perma keg was, and clearing both the north and the south takes about as long. I've gotten my "/age" on the map down to 2 minutes with just a few runs and unoptimized skills and attributes.
I started with Sliver Armor, but given the huge elemental armor of the vaettir, each hit was only doing 7 damage; the swap to Arcane Echo was well worth it. Now, my Elementalist is just a baby, and I haven't gotten around to clearing the Asuran areas yet, so I couldn't test it with Radiation Field.
In any case, the runs as of now are as safe, smooth, and not noticably slower than the old Perma Keg run, so I'll be swimming in Golden Eggs again come Easter!
Proof:http://img7.imageshack.us/i/avgvaettirtimep.jpg/
I was shocked at how smoothly the runs were, especially considering how long it's been since I've gone kegging. It's as safe as the old perma keg was, and clearing both the north and the south takes about as long. I've gotten my "/age" on the map down to 2 minutes with just a few runs and unoptimized skills and attributes.
I started with Sliver Armor, but given the huge elemental armor of the vaettir, each hit was only doing 7 damage; the swap to Arcane Echo was well worth it. Now, my Elementalist is just a baby, and I haven't gotten around to clearing the Asuran areas yet, so I couldn't test it with Radiation Field.
In any case, the runs as of now are as safe, smooth, and not noticably slower than the old Perma Keg run, so I'll be swimming in Golden Eggs again come Easter!
Proof:http://img7.imageshack.us/i/avgvaettirtimep.jpg/
Kordis Sol
would radiation field gove as many drops if they all die at the same time?
Spiritz
Radiation field isnt worth it - vaetires are non fleshy so they only get a few secs degen .An alternative would be light of deldrimore as i used to use that pre nerf when i went sin with a ranger pal using eoe.
Zarion Silverarrow
not to bust your bubble,this still works (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/Me...Vaettir_Farmer)
But it should be the same ammount of time as yours (2minish)...i did it day of nerf but didnt bother doing /age
But it should be the same ammount of time as yours (2minish)...i did it day of nerf but didnt bother doing /age
Xiao Erh
Yuna Matsumarui
nice build there mate, if I had an Elementalist I'd try it out.
now we have to start working on the same concept, but for HM ^^
now we have to start working on the same concept, but for HM ^^
Tom Swift
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Originally Posted by Yuna Matsumarui
now we have to start working on the same concept, but for HM ^^
This is in HM - not all 60 v's spawn in nm
Riot Narita
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Originally Posted by Magragoc
I've gotten my "/age" on the map down to 2 minutes with just a few runs and unoptimized skills and attributes.
Impressive - I'm taking 3 mins or more with that build. Got any tips?
And what is your total time from zoning in for one run, to zoning in again for the next run? (on average)
Because if it's possible to kill all 60 Vaettirs, pick up drops, zone out, and zone back in... in less than 2mins 34secs then...
...I might consider using it when event items are dropping too. But it would have to be consistently under 2:34 to beat my E/Me Raptor kill rate. Actually it would have to be significantly less than 2:34 or I doubt I'll find it worth the hassle of:
a) running to the Vaettirs, and
b) running this build (its a lot more fiddly than the Raptor build), and
c) having to bring merch summoning stones
By the way, it would have to be WAY less than 2:34 to beat the kill rate of a W/N Raptor farmer... but when event items are dropping their speed advantage evaporates. Because they have to spend time picking up all those extra (event) drops at the end of each run - and this build will suffer from that too. (E/Me Raptor farmer uses Sliver, kills one at a time instead of everything dropping dead at once, and picks up the loot as it falls - little or no time wasted at the end).
And what is your total time from zoning in for one run, to zoning in again for the next run? (on average)
Because if it's possible to kill all 60 Vaettirs, pick up drops, zone out, and zone back in... in less than 2mins 34secs then...
...I might consider using it when event items are dropping too. But it would have to be consistently under 2:34 to beat my E/Me Raptor kill rate. Actually it would have to be significantly less than 2:34 or I doubt I'll find it worth the hassle of:
a) running to the Vaettirs, and
b) running this build (its a lot more fiddly than the Raptor build), and
c) having to bring merch summoning stones
By the way, it would have to be WAY less than 2:34 to beat the kill rate of a W/N Raptor farmer... but when event items are dropping their speed advantage evaporates. Because they have to spend time picking up all those extra (event) drops at the end of each run - and this build will suffer from that too. (E/Me Raptor farmer uses Sliver, kills one at a time instead of everything dropping dead at once, and picks up the loot as it falls - little or no time wasted at the end).
Spiritz
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Originally Posted by Riot Narita
Impressive - I'm taking 3 mins or more with that build. Got any tips?
And what is your total time from zoning in for one run, to zoning in again for the next run? (on average)
Because if it's possible to kill all 60 Vaettirs, pick up drops, zone out, and zone back in... in less than 2mins 34secs then...
...I might consider using it when event items are dropping too. But it would have to be consistently under 2:34 to beat my E/Me Raptor kill rate. Actually it would have to be significantly less than 2:34 or I doubt I'll find it worth the hassle of:
a) running to the Vaettirs, and
b) running this build (its a lot more fiddly than the Raptor build), and
c) having to bring merch summoning stones
By the way, it would have to be WAY less than 2:34 to beat the kill rate of a W/N Raptor farmer... but when event items are dropping their speed advantage evaporates. Because they have to spend time picking up all those extra (event) drops at the end of each run - and this build will suffer from that too. (E/Me Raptor farmer uses Sliver, kills one at a time instead of everything dropping dead at once, and picks up the loot as it falls - little or no time wasted at the end). Its about e/me and vaettires not w/n or raptors - this is an alternative to raptors - when warriors get the mop nerf if it ever comes then this will replace it.
Ps soz but im sick of w/n boasting how cool they are as they are raptor kings so dont think im targetting you ( i have a war myself but doesnt raptor farm by choice )
And what is your total time from zoning in for one run, to zoning in again for the next run? (on average)
Because if it's possible to kill all 60 Vaettirs, pick up drops, zone out, and zone back in... in less than 2mins 34secs then...
...I might consider using it when event items are dropping too. But it would have to be consistently under 2:34 to beat my E/Me Raptor kill rate. Actually it would have to be significantly less than 2:34 or I doubt I'll find it worth the hassle of:
a) running to the Vaettirs, and
b) running this build (its a lot more fiddly than the Raptor build), and
c) having to bring merch summoning stones
By the way, it would have to be WAY less than 2:34 to beat the kill rate of a W/N Raptor farmer... but when event items are dropping their speed advantage evaporates. Because they have to spend time picking up all those extra (event) drops at the end of each run - and this build will suffer from that too. (E/Me Raptor farmer uses Sliver, kills one at a time instead of everything dropping dead at once, and picks up the loot as it falls - little or no time wasted at the end). Its about e/me and vaettires not w/n or raptors - this is an alternative to raptors - when warriors get the mop nerf if it ever comes then this will replace it.
Ps soz but im sick of w/n boasting how cool they are as they are raptor kings so dont think im targetting you ( i have a war myself but doesnt raptor farm by choice )
masterjer1
I bring along extra salvage kits to salvage my white drops into materials. Doing this gives me some extra runs before I have to start merching stuff.
Shrimz
does anyone have the map of the run?
Welthas
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Originally Posted by Shrimz
does anyone have the map of the run?
No, but google did.
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&gbv=2&resnum=0&q=vaettir%20run%2 0from%20longeyes%20ledge&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&gbv=2&resnum=0&q=vaettir%20run%2 0from%20longeyes%20ledge&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Spiritz
Riot Narita - wasnt flying off at you in particular , after nerf the amount of w/n ppl boasting sins have nothing to farm anymore and how fast they can raptor farm was getting beyond a joke.Also a few times a/me or me/a threads has other professions jumping in saying "we can do it faster" was also getting annoying and tbh kids boasting gives the rest of users on that profession a bad image.
So i do appologize if it seemed i was gunning for you.
So i do appologize if it seemed i was gunning for you.
Riot Narita
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Originally Posted by Magragoc
I tried Mindbender instead of Storm Djinn... the faster running speed is nice, and half-cast time on Stoneflesh Aura etc makes the build more "forgiving"... but the 1sec cast (+aftercast) leads to Vaettirs body blocking too often, and ends up being counter-productive.
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So i do appologize if it seemed i was gunning for you
No problem, I understand where you're coming from. I'm guilty of jumping in on those threads too - not for bragging, but for comparison, and finding the most efficient or convenient farm. I think that's relevant - it's good to try and improve a build/method so that it compares well with other farms/builds/methods.
Zodiak
One thing that you can do that can keep you out there and Farming that many people dont think about. Multi load multiple accounts if you have them Sure it may sound obvious but it makes a huge difference having all that free storage.
aeligos
being new to farming, this ele vaettir farmer is the only one i have to use
since the nerf, this farmer build became easier to use, but i do notice the gold drop rate went down a bit i will try using something other than sliver... and also will have extra salvage kits to reduce frequency of merch use..... good ideas here. will give it a go. >>strength and honor!<< -.- Sethellington
2 Minutes is mad... I usually do like 4 mins. My skill 1-4 and 8 are the same, then I have Crystal Wave, Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare. It's not the killing that's slow it's gathering them. I usually have to do it in 2 groups because I lose aggro with some of the southern mobs. Care to make a video or explain some more?
Sethellington
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Originally Posted by Magragoc
That sounds great in theory, but I reckon you'd end up having to run your second account inside to collect the drops assigned to him, making each run longer. I love the idea, but a stack of Merchant Summoning Stones may be easier, and in any case, I just zone back to Longeye's. It's not like the run to Jaga Moraine is hard or long.
@Sethellington: As I've said earlier, I personally dislike the Ether Nightmare / Cry of Pain combo for an Elementalist. Given the tools an elementalist has to reduce recharge times, it seems wisest to exploit them. You already have Glyph of Swiftness, so Spec 4 points into Air Magic so it can be used on Crystal Wave / Teinai's Crystal. It recharges quickly enough that you can use it once in between Obsidian Flesh casts to make your damage skills recharge even faster. Hell, even bring a cheap 40/40 set to swap to, you'll be amazed at how often it'll trigger. Compare that to the Ether / Cry setup: You'll be hitting for minimal amounts of Armor-ignoring damage while keeping the enemy at -10 degen. The skill recharge items you've access to are doing you zero good because of the degen cap. Also, if you're wearing Geomancer's Insignias (as you should) you don't need the Mantra of Earth for survival, just for energy management. So you spec only enough points to give you a duration you're comfortable with, and put the rest into Energy Storage. That way you can maintain Storm Djinn's Haste even with the way Obsidian Flesh reduces your mana regen. I've found it best to wait the extra few seconds for them all to cluster around you before starting the attack chain. That way they all die at once, you don't have to deal with stragglers, and they never run away. Oh, when you gather them, are you trying to get all 60 at once? Don't. Kill them in two groups. I usually begin with the south first, but that's just habit at this point. I can't see it making an appreciable difference. Good luck! Yeah I switched to the Echo/Crystal/Teinai's build. The reason I was getting stragglers is because I was trying to gather all 60. But how on earth can you gather 2 groups and kill them separately in 2 mins!? Shrimz
I learned this fairly easy. Hardest part was learning the run since I am completely new to this. I normally kill like 36 of them.. is there another group of them somewhere where I am missing? And I thought I was doing it fast by killing them in 2 mins haha..
Welthas Riot Narita
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If I aggro all 60 Vaettirs, then hit them with 3 crystal waves in rapid succession... then sometimes half the Vaettirs will return to their side of the map (not quite the same as scattering). Dont quite know how to stop that other than pausing between casts, or wanding them to try and bring them back.
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