Should dervish be generic attack spammers?

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reaper with no name
reaper with no name
Desert Nomad
#22
Whirling Charge? You must be joking. That doesn't last nearly long enough to be of use.

The best case scenario damage-wise for a zealous vow dervish that doesn't use an IAS or Fear Me (which requires a speccing of it's own, which I have not bothered doing the math for) is to take Victorious Sweep, and according to my math the damage is close, but not quite there. HoF is just barely better.

However, this does give me reason to check out some other possibilities. I'll look into what happens when you throw Fear Me in there instead of an IAS, but considering what happened when I did that with enduring scythe (the loss of the attack skill and the couple points of strength was greater than the damage boost, and with an IAS attack skills contribute less to the overall damage, since their recharge times don't change), I don't have high hopes.

EDIT: Nope, that lowers damage too. At 12 tactics, it's very slightly worse than Victorious Sweep.
Bloody Dominator
Bloody Dominator
Academy Page
#23
Actually with ZV i like to run Whirling Charge to, i do use it in combination with the Deldrimor skill "Dwarven Stability" so i can keep it up 24/7.
reaper with no name
reaper with no name
Desert Nomad
#24
That's two skill slots (one of them PvE) for an IAS that is slightly worse than HoF. Not sure why you'd want to do that, but ok.
Franksalot
Franksalot
Academy Page
#25
you can easily keep heart of fury up 24/7 with eternal aura, yeah it's still 2 slots but 100 armor ignoring damage to all nearby foes is quite nice
Dervish Kid
Dervish Kid
Krytan Explorer
#26
After reading the 1st page of this thread.. I think A-Net needs to see this and hurry up with a dervish update.
NerfHerder
NerfHerder
Wilds Pathfinder
#27
Regarding the OP, no I dont think they should be 123 spam bots. Thats what an Assassin is for, and even Warrior to a lesser degree. With the current skill balance Dervishes are not capable of fulfilling the niche they were created for in the first place. It is possible to juggle enchantments and cause quite a few conditions in the process. But it's just not that effective when the mechanics of the game are geared toward DPS.

Why would you need an IAS with the Zealous Vow builds? All 3 attack skills have activation times, so the 3 skills your spamming wont be effected. And whenever your not spamming your attack skills your recasting other skills. With out an IAS you already get in one hit before your attack skills recharge. So with an IAS you might get 2 hits. Not that effective given the high energy cost and short time its effective. Only bonus with Whirling Charge to me would be the IMS to move to foes faster. Im putting my money on Conviction for that slot. With only 6 points in earth its maintainable cost 5nrg, you get +24ar and 50% block.

104ar +50% block > 80ar 1 extra hit ever 5sec and/or recieving double damage
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Neky
Ascalonian Squire
#28
Dervish bar without Conviction in HM is kinda pointless if you ask me.
Cuilan
Cuilan
Forge Runner
#32
I'd kill for a non-ZV build. There was a PvE bomber build, but it's clumsy and has a lot of heavy downtime. Damage wasn't even that hot either. Physical buff dervish were gaining momentum, but then people just went N/Mo, Rt/Mo, or E/N heroes.
Mintha Syl
Mintha Syl
Desert Nomad
#34
No, dervishes should instead stop being generic attack spammers and find theyr niche in something useful warrior and sin don't do, IMO.
I'm using a Lyssa's avatar build, and for now it works greatly, but I still didn't do HM and general difficul things with it, and I really feel it's gonna be a bad one there. Just spamming attacks with some energy and health management + some burning...I would really want something more "intelligence-side" . I even gave up on conditions as cripple and deep wound for the stupid energy cost.
Still, I may have missed something since it's not much I'm playing this class, but this is my feeling.
Red_Dragon56
Red_Dragon56
Frost Gate Guardian
#36
Ursans blessing, in PvE, makes any class a skill-spam class. And it's fairly powerful. So...
Bandwagon
Bandwagon
Lion's Arch Merchant
#37
Quote: Originally Posted by Red_Dragon56 View Post Ursans blessing, in PvE, makes any class a skill-spam class. And it's fairly powerful. So... Thats nice, might want to stay on topic though.

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Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
.....I'd kill for a non-ZV build........ Same here mate, the build is even more mind draining than a 1-2-3 sin (never mind the fact your shatter bait when there is chant removal). Hopefully A net changes / updates enough D-skills so there might be actual synergy between the skills and Mysticism.