Dear Guild Wars Players and Fans,
I would like to express and discuss the idea of being able to add everlasting tonics into the Hall of Monuments.
In the minipet section of the Hall of Monuments, it talks about keeping a Hero's pleasures, I say why not everlasting tonics?
As minipets, everlasting tonics have no use in the game. They don't give bonuses, fight, and only a few can be used in explorable areas.
Face it, as do minipets, the only functional use of everlasting tonics are for guild parties and stimulating the economy.(I do not place normal tonics in this catagory because they count towards Life Of The Party.)
Of course if this was implemented, dedicated tonics could be used by other players.
Technically, as far as I know, all tonics with the exception of reindeer and henchmen tonics are available to all people, and I believe if Arenanet feels that tonics are good enough to be contest prizes, that we should be able to keep them in Guild Wars 2.
The 5th year aniversiry is coming up in the next month, and for animators, I don't think it would be that hard to do a 3d everlasting tonic in the HoM.
Please my external guild brothers and sisters, let's here your views.
Golem
Everlasting Tonics and The HoM
Golem
GWfan#1
Sounds like a good idea to me BUT I did not know that tonics were to be a part of GW2. But like you said, why not.
Tramp
I would much rather be able to customize put my favorite weapon or two in the h.o.m. instead of the ugly tormented weps or even uglier destroyer weps. So if they are going to ask the janitor to slap his mop around on the keyboard to do some valuable programming for them, since they do not have anyone left to do these things therefore the persistent glitches and bad nerfs, then I would much rather him try to get my favorite weps into the h.o.m. than stupid tonics.
X Ghoul
Besides more e-peen than there already is, it wouldn't matter to me if they do it or not.
Sharkinu
HoM is not for stuff with aquisition method based on luck. That's why we cant add every single weapon to HoM: because lets say for a dryad bow or voltaic spear you have no guarantee that you will get one when you open the endchest...you just might get one...same for tonics: you just might get one fron Zhcest.
FlexBuffchest45
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Sharkinu
Yes, I know there are minies that are just lucky drops, but the diffrence is that you can only get everlatsting tonics from Zchest or contests, while minies you can get by doing a simple quest(Black moa chick) or just by simply not deleting characters.
tmakinen
It appears to me that there is an assumption that HoM would transfer minis verbatim from GW1 to GW2, so why not tonics as well. I find this assumption rather unlikely and a much more probable alternative would be that you get the same, unrelated, reward regardless of what you put in, as long as the monument is full. Since you can fill the monument with dirt cheap white birthday minis I can't see any harm in the ability to throw in an EL tonic as well, of course with the understanding that you won't get the same bottle back in GW2 (the main reason being that it would dump a huge amount of wealth in the new game from the get-go, creating irreparable inequality).
isildorbiafra
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Please my external guild botters and sisters, let's here your views.Golem
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/Signed.
MagmaRed
Eh, undecided myself. Originally I thought it sounded good, as I thought the wording on the HoM descriptions was more generic and may have referred to 'gifts' or 'treasures'. However, looking over it, I see nothing in the Monument of Devotion that would lead you to think of anything but miniatures. And since the display already gets crowded with 20 miniatures, and a bottle of a tonic wouldn't be anything exciting, I don't see much point in adding it. As noted, we do not know what we will get in GW2 for out HoM achievements yet, so expecting a tonic, mini, weapon, etc. is silly at this point.
If they add it, I won't care. If they don't, I won't care.
If they add it, I won't care. If they don't, I won't care.
Rekliss
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It appears to me that there is an assumption that HoM would transfer minis verbatim from GW1 to GW2, so why not tonics as well. I find this assumption rather unlikely and a much more probable alternative would be that you get the same, unrelated, reward regardless of what you put in, as long as the monument is full. Since you can fill the monument with dirt cheap white birthday minis I can't see any harm in the ability to throw in an EL tonic as well, of course with the understanding that you won't get the same bottle back in GW2 (the main reason being that it would dump a huge amount of wealth in the new game from the get-go, creating irreparable inequality).
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tmakinen
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There is irreparable inequality already
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oscarmk
Maybe just add the really rare ones i.e. Transmogrifier, Elf, Bettle, Sinister and such. I so would love to use my Transmogrifier in GW 2 =D
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by Golem
Dear Guild Wars Players and Fans,
I would like to express and discuss the idea of being able to add everlasting tonics into the Hall of Monuments. In the minipet section of the Hall of Monuments, it talks about keeping a Hero's pleasures, I say why not everlasting tonics? As minipets, everlasting tonics have no use in the game. They don't give bonuses, fight, and only a few can be used in explorable areas. Face it, as do minipets, the only functional use of everlasting tonics are for guild parties and stimulating the economy.(I do not place normal tonics in this catagory because they count towards Life Of The Party.) Of course if this was implemented, dedicated tonics could be used by other players. Technically, as far as I know, all tonics with the exception of reindeer and henchmen tonics are available to all people, and I believe if Arenanet feels that tonics are good enough to be contest prizes, that we should be able to keep them in Guild Wars 2. The 5th year aniversiry is coming up in the next month, and for animators, I don't think it would be that hard to do a 3d everlasting tonic in the HoM. Please my external guild bothers and sisters, let's here your views. Golem |
Oh no way are they avialable to all players! not ever player can afford a EL tonic. so unless you're allowed to add normal tonics this is a stupid idea. actually its another epeen idea! if you want to show off your everlasting tonic so badly parade it around town.
Neo Atomisk
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Oh no way are they avialable to all players! not ever player can afford a EL tonic. so unless you're allowed to add normal tonics this is a stupid idea. actually its another epeen idea! if you want to show off your everlasting tonic so badly parade it around town. |
Little O B S I
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el tonics are avaiable to all players; theyre in the same price range as armbraces or some minis, which also go in the hom. secondly, gw is a game that revolves around epeen.
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In the minipet section of the Hall of Monuments, it talks about keeping a Hero's pleasures, I say why not everlasting tonics?
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other then that i actually like this idea...might add some value to unded el tonics to help keep the price up as more are released...while at the same time making ded ones available to more people...
AngelWJedi
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el tonics are avaiable to all players; theyre in the same price range as armbraces or some minis, which also go in the hom. secondly, gw is a game that revolves around epeen.
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oh rlly? then you have 30-100e to give me so i can have a el tonic too? or give me the one from nic for free? umm yeah didnt think so. either the person has to be very lucky for them to get one or grind hard for xxxx years to afford one. and causal players cant do that.
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AngelWJedi
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I doth believe you be missing his point... reread what he wrote and try again...
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i'm not missing the point. i know gw=epeen. but the part about ANYONE can get a el tonic is wrong. 1) not everyone can afford ectos 2) not everyone can go to elite areas for some reason. so tell me how a casual player can afford a el tonic let alone the 20e+ minis or a armbrace? hmmm? didnt think so. i've friends who played for over a year and she cant afford el tonics and i bet a lot of gw players cant either.
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he appears to be pointing out how high end minis and torm weapons also go in the HoM...destroyer weapons were originally intended to be high end and failed because of 600/smite...
while torm weaps are acquirable not all players can afford to acquire them...and they can go in the Hom...
pointing out that just because they are high end doesn't mean they don't belong in the HoM.... your missing the difference between can acquire and can afford to acquire...
please read slower from now on..
btw: you mention friends and then singular she...make up your mind...
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by End
you seem to miss the point yet again...
he appears to be pointing out how high end minis and torm weapons also go in the HoM...destroyer weapons were originally intended to be high end and failed because of 600/smite... while torm weaps are acquirable not all players can afford to acquire them...and they can go in the Hom... pointing out that just because they are high end doesn't mean they don't belong in the HoM.... your missing the difference between can acquire and can afford to acquire... please read slower from now on.. btw: you mention friends and then singular she...make up your mind... |
Deviant Angel
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i'm not missing the point. i know gw=epeen. but the part about ANYONE can get a el tonic is wrong. 1) not everyone can afford ectos 2) not everyone can go to elite areas for some reason. so tell me how a casual player can afford a el tonic let alone the 20e+ minis or a armbrace? hmmm? didnt think so. i've friends who played for over a year and she cant afford el tonics and i bet a lot of gw players cant either.
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Zkeys are free. Hell, if you don't want to try your luck with the chest, sell the damn things for 5k each like everyone else and go buy whatever you want. You don't even have to be good at PvP to earn enough faction for a key. Do AB, RA, or something else that doesn't require an organized group of competent players.
You can farm ectos for a mere 1k. There are builds that still work.
If you only have 15 mins a day for a game, don't whine about not being able to have the things that others have.
As for the original topic, I'm going to go with no. I'd rather see Anet spend their time on other things.
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and i point you to read between his lines for yourself. its true he is talking about putting el tonics into hom. but also the way he is talking makes it sound like everyone can afford to buy a el tonic to put it in their hom. and and i did mean friends and friend(aka like a sister if that makes it easer for you to under stand) or should i type slower for you? ^.~
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and no...typing slower wouldn't help...but proper spelling as well as keeping the tense and case the same through a sentence might help
(funny who you try and make me look stupid...and only show that you can't tell the difference between plural (friends) and singular (she)....
GWfan#1
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either the person has to be very lucky for them to get one or grind hard for xxxx years to afford one. and causal players cant do that.
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J I L T
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Yes, and while it's too late to do anything in GW1 ANet would be crazy to let it seep through the HoM to a new game as well. Hence you cannot expect to dump a MPB to your monument in GW1 and claim it back in GW2.
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In regards to actual idea. The hall has enough statues as is I doubt anymore will be added under any circumstances because all that really does is make more work for anet. It's a safe bet that each statue will give a unique reward so adding more crap just means they need to come up with more rewards. Really the idea of asking for items to be accepted by the hall is ridiculous seeing as how we have no idea what any of the rewards are. Even if we could dedicate tonics you'll have to wait months before you get any benefit at all from it and after so long no one will care anyway.
Completely unknown advantage/payoff and no significant drawback if it isn't implemented so
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tmakinen
I fail to see how the going price of EL tonics has anything to do with the issue, considering that it is possible to dedicate a mini Kanaxai that is more valuable than a complete collection of EL tonics (besides, the monthly ELs are very affordable - anyone who really wants one will be able to scrape together the necessary amount of gold).
While there wouldn't be any harm in letting people dedicate their tonics there wouldn't be any benefit either. The monument is there to be filled, what you fill it with is rather inconsequential. Personally, I find it a pity to leave Rudi behind but c'est la vie. New game, new shinies.
While there wouldn't be any harm in letting people dedicate their tonics there wouldn't be any benefit either. The monument is there to be filled, what you fill it with is rather inconsequential. Personally, I find it a pity to leave Rudi behind but c'est la vie. New game, new shinies.
Otello
everything that would move the market is good to me.
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isildorbiafra
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and i point you to read between his lines for yourself. its true he is talking about putting el tonics into hom. but also the way he is talking makes it sound like everyone can afford to buy a el tonic to put it in their hom. and and i did mean friends and friend(aka like a sister if that makes it easer for you to under stand) or should i type slower for you? ^.~
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It's been confirmed that you won't be able to trade hom rewards.
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Shayne Hawke
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Please provide us with a link tot the above so mentioned official confirmaton. I cant remember reading this anywhere.
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Earth
Well, I don't see anything wrong with this idea. However, it seems fairly unlikely that you will be able to transfer stuff over to GW2.
Don't*, grammar*, to*, confirmation*, can't*.
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I dont think typing slower is the issue here. However you could use a grammer course or two.
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Well, I don't see anything wrong with this idea. However, it seems fairly unlikely that you will be able to transfer stuff over to GW2.
Don't*, grammar*, to*, confirmation*, can't*. |
WTB typing course.
Neo Atomisk
to expand on this idea, the el fireworks and (if they are implemented) el sugar rush/drunk would be a nice adfition to the HoM also.
Golem
Ok, so I have read everyones comments all through the week.
1. Casual Players- Choose to be casual. In life, you can choose to go or not to go to work. You can choose to go to school, or not go to school. You can choose to play WoW, or Guild Wars, or even Runescape. Please don't use the casual player excuse, as you choose how you spend your time and money.
2. Yeah, tonics are expensive if you buy them. I am sorry to who I offended about feeling poor. HOWEVER, my claim still holds that realisticaly, besides henchman and reindeer tonics, that ANYONE can get a everlasting tonic. Whether it be from chest or travler gift or trade, you can still technically get one. Even Everlasting Macabre tonics go for around 100k + a few ectos. It may sound like a little or a lot, but as the cheapest one, it isn't expensive. Even if a build will get nerfed, and we all know it will, there will always be another. As sick as it sounds, have you tried farming? Arenanet hates it, but it might just work for you.
3. If tonics are able to be added in, then there is a possibility that it could or couldn't produce an advantage, so why not risk the chance. Even if you don't want it, why deny others access to this?
What I said may or may not be harsh, you decide, but as far as I know, it is all true.
What I would really like is to see more people who own Everlasting Tonics put up their veiw on this subject, as well as those who don't.
Golem
EDIT: I also added a poll, please vote, and get your friends to vote also.
1. Casual Players- Choose to be casual. In life, you can choose to go or not to go to work. You can choose to go to school, or not go to school. You can choose to play WoW, or Guild Wars, or even Runescape. Please don't use the casual player excuse, as you choose how you spend your time and money.
2. Yeah, tonics are expensive if you buy them. I am sorry to who I offended about feeling poor. HOWEVER, my claim still holds that realisticaly, besides henchman and reindeer tonics, that ANYONE can get a everlasting tonic. Whether it be from chest or travler gift or trade, you can still technically get one. Even Everlasting Macabre tonics go for around 100k + a few ectos. It may sound like a little or a lot, but as the cheapest one, it isn't expensive. Even if a build will get nerfed, and we all know it will, there will always be another. As sick as it sounds, have you tried farming? Arenanet hates it, but it might just work for you.
3. If tonics are able to be added in, then there is a possibility that it could or couldn't produce an advantage, so why not risk the chance. Even if you don't want it, why deny others access to this?
What I said may or may not be harsh, you decide, but as far as I know, it is all true.
What I would really like is to see more people who own Everlasting Tonics put up their veiw on this subject, as well as those who don't.
Golem
EDIT: I also added a poll, please vote, and get your friends to vote also.
Dewshine Wildclaw
Well... it might not be all that bad an idea... although I can't see why it is wanted either... so neither for or against is me.
And yes casual players can get el tonics with a bit of luck... I mean... one of the easy nick weeks I got mine :P
I don't really see myself getting any others though... as I don't even try getting them... maybe one day I will attempt it.... and if I do I will just have to use the little time on gw to get zkeys or find some decent farming to do... I don't really see it happen but Im not gonna be a hater to those that do want them enough to do things like that.
Ok back to if they should be in HoM... I don't really care... my HoM is already full and I somewhat doubt you get anything extra for filling in beyond what you show... even if you do theres no way anyone can get truly everything (the top rare minies that only have 100 or less in game)
ps. sorry if my post is a mess I rarely do this xD
And yes casual players can get el tonics with a bit of luck... I mean... one of the easy nick weeks I got mine :P
I don't really see myself getting any others though... as I don't even try getting them... maybe one day I will attempt it.... and if I do I will just have to use the little time on gw to get zkeys or find some decent farming to do... I don't really see it happen but Im not gonna be a hater to those that do want them enough to do things like that.
Ok back to if they should be in HoM... I don't really care... my HoM is already full and I somewhat doubt you get anything extra for filling in beyond what you show... even if you do theres no way anyone can get truly everything (the top rare minies that only have 100 or less in game)
ps. sorry if my post is a mess I rarely do this xD
Terrible Surgeon
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HoM is not for stuff with aquisition method based on luck. That's why we cant add every single weapon to HoM: because lets say for a dryad bow or voltaic spear you have no guarantee that you will get one when you open the endchest...you just might get one...same for tonics: you just might get one fron Zhcest.
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Rekliss
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A casual player can be very lucky and therefore can obtain an EL tonic. Also since pretty much every player both casual and not was given 10 free Zkeys it only adds to the odds.
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I think what they really need to focus on is, if they are going to make high-end stuff viable for the average player, the drop rates need to be spread out a bit. PS maxed asuran from Soo... still nothing - and some players "said" they have gotten douible BDS drops... i mean this is the shit that makes me want to just give up, ya know?
But fix the basics before adding in useless shit; dedicated tonics are a waste of time.
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Yet for some reason the Luck system in this game is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOED. I see people all the time get BDS's from the chest, EL tonics, High-End weapons/minis from endchests - and others like me never get a damn thing. I ran VSF until max rank..... nothing best of a q9 merch food pos. Ran uw hundreds of times [stacks of stones] - still nothing from the damn endchest worth mentioning; r7.5 Zaishen and STILL nothing but merch food.
I think what they really need to focus on is, if they are going to make high-end stuff viable for the average player, the drop rates need to be spread out a bit. PS maxed asuran from Soo... still nothing - and some players "said" they have gotten douible BDS drops... i mean this is the shit that makes me want to just give up, ya know? But fix the basics before adding in useless shit; dedicated tonics are a waste of time. |
2) stop QQing about your bad luck? it's luck some people have it some people dont...I don't..Yet I have an El tonic...sooo....QQ elsewhere...
3) your point is irrelevant anyways as we have already pointed out that the HoM was intended to house high end shit...