UWsC DLway Teambuild+usage(IN DEPTH GUIDE)

Fear Thorin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

[BeVr] All Hail The Pink

A/E

Delete plox it failzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hooded Doom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

IGN : Hooded Lfg Uwsc, Il H O O D E D Il

someones mad.

D/

Time to equip +10 armor vs troll shields. :S
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In all seriousness though, gg getting it under a conset. Guys =]

PetrCash

PetrCash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

Those Who Were Taken

A/

This looks awesome - Good Work.

The Feeding

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2010

Kamadan and ToA :3

Desolation Lords [DL]

E/

Thank god, finally released, Glory has had us doing some octoway thats been taking an hour.

Nice work, but, if you Just took a UWG+Terra/perma (Wastes/pools) + Perma(Mnts/pits) and a standard emo(The runnee's or *pugs* being ran would be helping in vale). Could this be another 4man running strategy? in class atm so i can't go into it, but if it could, Would it be able to be done in under an hour?


EDIT: Also, as i usually will run emo, Is it a nessisity to run rainbow candies?(I will always run red) but will blue+green be a must? and i know its reccomended, but if its a chance to make the run faster then im popping.


-Oblivion

Strife17

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

Mo/

This is slighty different version of terraway
or terraway is slightly different from this
rit instead of ss
the monk bonder is now emo bonder
instead of the monk they use another ele for UWG

i saw this in terraway pugs before..

like i said in your previous topic

anyway still not encouraged to pug UWSC again, since ppl will fail with this build too. (or with any other build).

quests/Skeletons/dhuum have become too difficult for pugs. at least two that fail at her/his job.

Quail Stomp

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2010

N/A

I would say good job but SF and OF makes most of the team build. Nothing really new just two lame elites in the same team build. I guess i shouldnt be so harsh but oh well.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Not the easiest of posts/guides to read.

About how long does it take you to complete everything besides Dhuum?

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Thank you for posting with guide/builds! Good Post! Only suggestion: maybe a name that flows/rolls off the tongue better.

Fear Thorin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

[BeVr] All Hail The Pink

A/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strife17 View Post
This is slighty different version of terraway
or terraway is slightly different from this
rit instead of ss
the monk bonder is now emo bonder
instead of the monk they use another ele for UWG

i saw this in terraway pugs before..

like i said in your previous topic

anyway still not encouraged to pug UWSC again, since ppl will fail with this build too. (or with any other build).

quests/Skeletons/dhuum have become too difficult for pugs. at least two that fail at her/his job.
Well First of all We been working on this since day 1, number two in the build/guide it says what can be covered and by who.
And im positive with a little bit of pratice about a month or two into it being released ppl will get it.

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow View Post
Thank you for posting with guide/builds! Good Post! Only suggestion: maybe a name that flows/rolls off the tongue better. We all Voted. Vote was annonamous. DLway is its name and thats just that.

PetrCash

PetrCash

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

Those Who Were Taken

A/

What does DL stand for? - I like the name maybe not so fluent like Terraway or Octoway or whatever but it sounds nice! But i cant explain in english why it sounds nice

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

W/

Gz, ty, and now let me join for about 100 runs! / oscar

RyAn69

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2010

South Africa

Caelum Infinitum[ode]

W/

Very nice Good work;p

Ripy rip

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

WTB r8 +5e Zodiac Sword

A/

<#1 DLway failzor

gj at creating a guide Thorin, looks like it must have taken forever.

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

for anyone considering pugging : this is by no means easy, dont get discouraged if the first 10 times you fail.

wts stones, 5k/1zkey pm plz

Daldaen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Surpassing the Ordinary [Epic]

Mo/A

uhh, why Mending on E/Mo? Wouldn't Aura of Restoration be best option?
Quote: Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
besides Dhuum Cool reading comprehension, bro.

Anyway, any decent PuG could probably do this in under an hour. With only a couple minutes of leeway, I wouldn't expect a PuG to accomplish this with just a single conset. Also, since builds were just posted, I don't expect PuGs to be getting this down for another week or so.

I guess I'm kinda impressed. Let's see how long this lasts.

coil

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
I guess I'm kinda impressed. Let's see how long this lasts. Mission Accomplished!

Fear Thorin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

[BeVr] All Hail The Pink

A/E

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Originally Posted by Daldaen View Post
uhh, why Mending on E/Mo? Wouldn't Aura of Restoration be best option? its not for the emo its for the chamber prevents losing health from bleeding(look up aaxte skill list)

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fear Thorin
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its not for the emo its for the chamber prevents losing health from bleeding(look up aaxte skill list) At 3-7 Healing Prayers mending does +2 pips........there has to be a better option for a skill than this. Extinguish, Draw Conditions, Dismiss Conditions, Mend Ailment, Mend Condition, or Smite Condition. One could use Bowl of Scalefin Soup for +1 pip...Bleeding is -3 pips, not really detrimental. I noticed Soothing Images on Chamber which would prevent use of Gash and Sever Artery once applied, making me think Extinguish would be a reasonable condition removal. IDK, just a thought.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

you get the +1 from grail, mending also unlike the alternative you posted is a enchantment, so it help the emo spamming ability too.

Ripy rip

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2009

WTB r8 +5e Zodiac Sword

A/

we are not sure why but the chamber tank gets hit by sever artery even though soothing is constantly. my theory Is that the AI only uses sever when the target is not under bleeding. this allows them to spread it's usage between all the aatxes.

anyways, bleeding is a problem, especially on the longer pulls and mending does the job well.

gwkbar

gwkbar

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2009

U.S.A.

Retired Bookah Syndicate [YaWn]

A/

this is good.

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

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Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

DPR

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Originally Posted by lishi
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you get the +1 from grail, mending also unlike the alternative you posted is a enchantment, so it help the emo spamming ability too. The ER maintains mending on themselves as well?

Sry for pressing the Mending issue...if using Skale Fin Soup +1 pip (w/grail would drop bleeding to 1 pip...i.e. 2 dmg/sec) wouldn't something else would be more useful than Mending? Not necessarily any of the ones I mentioned b4 but anything. (note* I am comparing +2 pip of mending to +1 pip of soup, thus +1 pip use of skill slot)

Fear Thorin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

[BeVr] All Hail The Pink

A/E

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow
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The ER maintains mending on themselves as well? Ok, Please DO NOT Ask Questions, Before ACUALLY READING The Post. Thankyou, have a nice Day.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

Yeah this build looks great for guilds but its a FAIL for PUGs.

Risus

Risus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

56min UW HM post-2/25 I win

FDR

A/

Good job, builds work. My only problem (this is editorial, just look at the first 2 phrases if you want my review): You play UW either for money or for fun. For money, using personal cons is counterproductive. For fun, you aren't focusing on speed unless that's whats fun.

But either way, nice job.

To people that want candy-less builds: You won't get a 1 cons run without being jacked up on candy.

This will never be PUG'd (I hope, unless those stupid idiots decide its a better PUG than terraway). I will never join a PUG team of this. Ever.

Camel Sausage

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Underworld

The Order of Kume

R/Mo

Watchful Spirit could replace Mending; shorter cast, extra 5 energy to cast and 5s extra recharge and has the benefit of an absolutely meagre 50-80hp heal on removal depending on personal cons used when cast.

It could be very very slightly helpful to PuGs, but I doubt the heal would really have much benefit.

Looks like a great build and team nice work!

Ungle

Ungle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2009

IGN - Valentina Deinhamer

[ShoT]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Essence Snow
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The ER maintains mending on themselves as well?

Sry for pressing the Mending issue...if using Skale Fin Soup +1 pip (w/grail would drop bleeding to 1 pip...i.e. 2 dmg/sec) wouldn't something else would be more useful than Mending? Not necessarily any of the ones I mentioned b4 but anything. (note* I am comparing +2 pip of mending to +1 pip of soup, thus +1 pip use of skill slot) Im really the only one who has ran the chamber bar, being the one that mending would be put on. When we go for speed we don't use it, but normal organized guildteams it would be very helpful, since who uses skalefin soup? It minimizes the bleeding you take from aatxes, which should only truly be for the first time its put on you, when you start casting soothing, but it isnt really expected, and unwelcome troubles may show up, as in skeletons, so if your health is already low from bleeding, you'll go poof, because chances are you wont notice the little -100 among all the +1's and 0's.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful. The E/Mo does not need Aura, he can just put mending on himself and get back more then enough health and only 1 less energy everytime he casts.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful.

PS I know I repeated

Also for the chamber bar. Run survivors with a +5e spear, and +45/stance and -20% bleeding shield. Suggested runes+ a -bleeding rune. Only use one of the following: Apple or Cupcake. More health will result in prot bond doing less reduction, making Tortured hit through your SFA, which isn't fun.
Best checkpoint times so far:



Ive got a 6min vale pop somewhere and a 12min wrathful/escort complete, ill post em later

flapjack

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

Guild With No [NAM???]

N/Me

Ive debated whether to post or not but since this post was presented as "DLway" then I guess I have some small obligation to try and help answer a few questions etc.

First off this post came as a bit of a surprise since most of us in the team that work on the UW speed clears were collaborating on offering a version of our clear that would be more forgiving for guild/semi-pug style groups to use and we were not aware that Thorin was going to post up something like this without consulting anyone else involved But it's not dramatically different than what would have been offered (as has been pointed out, most UW clears are similar in many ways regardless of specifics) so it's a place to start anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Feeding View Post
Thank god, finally released, Glory has had us doing some octoway thats been taking an hour.

Nice work, but, if you Just took a UWG+Terra/perma (Wastes/pools) + Perma(Mnts/pits) and a standard emo(The runnee's or *pugs* being ran would be helping in vale). Could this be another 4man running strategy? in class atm so i can't go into it, but if it could, Would it be able to be done in under an hour?


EDIT: Also, as i usually will run emo, Is it a nessisity to run rainbow candies?(I will always run red) but will blue+green be a must? and i know its reccomended, but if its a chance to make the run faster then im popping.


-Oblivion
Actually you can run UW with just 3 people if you are into the whole "Running UW full run+chest" bit in Doomlore. It would be easier and faster with a team of 4 or 5 but less lucrative. (for 3 people take emo, mnts sin build and modify chamber build removing cry and put in ebsh)

It certainly isn't necessary to run a rainbow for any area but a pie and/or rock candy is nice for some of the longer cast times of some spells. (red rock is plenty for emo)

Quote: Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post Not the easiest of posts/guides to read.

About how long does it take you to complete everything besides Dhuum? A fast and organized team running a build similar to the build presented can be finished a little under 9min from the moment they tele to wastes (9min includes wastes quest+traveling to dhuum etc). In a decent guild group I would plan on 10-12min from wastes tele until end-chest. You can do the math backwards from there to see if people are on track for one conset.

Quote: Originally Posted by Fear Thorin View Post response to "why mending"? its not for the emo its for the chamber prevents losing health from bleeding(look up aaxte skill list) It is common to take infuse instead of mending (tell your chamber to take restoration rune and a 20% reduced bleeding on one of his shield-sets is always nice).

bleeding is a real problem for chamber because of the amount of time holding agro and the limited slots and various skills needed on their bar. there just isn't room for a heal. Giving mending to the emo will save a lot of possible bleeding issues for chamber and require no extraordinary skill on the part of the emo. this is a more puggable version of a speed run after all.

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Originally Posted by Risus View Post
Good job, builds work. My only problem (this is editorial, just look at the first 2 phrases if you want my review): You play UW either for money or for fun. For money, using personal cons is counterproductive. For fun, you aren't focusing on speed unless that's whats fun.

But either way, nice job.

To people that want candy-less builds: You won't get a 1 cons run without being jacked up on candy.

This will never be PUG'd (I hope, unless those stupid idiots decide its a better PUG than terraway). I will never join a PUG team of this. Ever. For casual runs getting souped up on candy just isn't necessary for most areas. However, with the exeption of the wastes and pools bar, none of the bars include a speed boost and I would recommend a cupcake or green if you are planning on losing skeleton aggro and if you've ever casted "stoneflesh" while under the effects of "natures renewal" then you will likely wish to use a pie or candy at mnts and as has been discussed before casting ether renewal while under dhuums hex sucks azz so emo should at least pie for dhuum. every other area certainly benefits from using candy but they can be done without.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke View Post
Anyway, any decent PuG could probably do this in under an hour. With only a couple minutes of leeway, I wouldn't expect a PuG to accomplish this with just a single conset. Also, since builds were just posted, I don't expect PuGs to be getting this down for another week or so. The old DayWay was theoretically capable of getting 19-20min but pro groups only got 22min (still irritated about that run that should have been 21min lol) and Ive never seen a screenshot of a pug run that was under 30min (that wasn't made of a half pro team) although I certainly heard many people claim they did it. The current splits of the fastest team (that i'm aware of) are theoretically capable of around 22min but they will probably screen 24-25 and then lose interest like last time. It took about 3 months before I saw pugs getting close to low 30min during the DayWay period so I'm not holding my breath for a pugged <30min run anytime soon if ever.

The bottom line is that post nerf UW isn't easy. It's challenging and that is what makes it fun. People can complain all day about "its just the same old SF OF builds easily running UW and getting chest" but until they actually do the run they dont really know what they are talking about.

Cheers

Rich (one of the 100 DL'rs)

Essence Snow

Essence Snow

Unbridled Enthusiasm!

Join Date: Nov 2009

EST

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ungle2 View Post
Im really the only one who has ran the chamber bar, being the one that mending would be put on. When we go for speed we don't use it, but normal organized guildteams it would be very helpful, since who uses skalefin soup? It minimizes the bleeding you take from aatxes, which should only truly be for the first time its put on you, when you start casting soothing, but it isnt really expected, and unwelcome troubles may show up, as in skeletons, so if your health is already low from bleeding, you'll go poof, because chances are you wont notice the little -100 among all the +1's and 0's.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful. The E/Mo does not need Aura, he can just put mending on himself and get back more then enough health and only 1 less energy everytime he casts.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful.

PS I know I repeated

Also for the chamber bar. Run survivors with a +5e spear, and +45/stance and -20% bleeding shield. Suggested runes+ a -bleeding rune. Only use one of the following: Apple or Cupcake. More health will result in prot bond doing less reduction, making Tortured hit through your SFA, which isn't fun.
Thank you for the reply. It was much better than one other person gave.....lol

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Originally Posted by Fear Thorin View Post
Ok, Please DO NOT Ask Questions, Before ACUALLY READING The Post. Thankyou, have a nice Day.

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

I don't see this being PuGable at all (not that it matters, right? lolpugs) but,l good job on the low time.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

So... I guess the SF nerf officially failed...

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

The main reason for the nerf was economy. If some pro guilds can still speedclear Anet could care, it's only when your average slob can jump to the end chest that ectos take a dive in value. If this does not catch on in pugs then I'm sure Anet will be satisfied.