R/P Hero help pls

You are right. I forgot Expertise has been nerfed to no longer affect shouts and chants.

One less reason to use shouts/chants on a R/P instead of a P/R. Umm.... as far as I can recall, expertise has NEVER effected shouts and chants. It's not supposed to.

However, that doesn't mean you couldn't; Rangers have an excess of energy due to fast attack and/or multi-hit attacks with a zealous weapon and expertise to reduce the cost of their own skills, allowing them to easily use skills not effected by expertise.

Take a barrage ranger with 8 expertise as an example. you're making around 2 energy/second if you're hitting the maximum number of targets. even without that, you'll still get a good amount of energy. Or perhaps Prepared shot, or body shot, or lots of other skills. Rangers have a veritable font of energy at their disposal, and without the use of non-expertise skills you'd never ever ever ever run out of energy. ever. You'd be at full energy constantly and that, to be frank, is a complete waste.

However, you are right in your assumption that a P/R using barrage would have greater energy gain than a R/P, and be a better choice.

shaving off 2 energy every barrage < gaining 5~8 energy per shout/chant and spamming those. A P/R would have better energy gain and higher attribute levels for greater shout/chant abilities (plus the ability to actually use TNTF) Overall, you'd be better off using a R/W for SY! instead of R/P on a player, a hero you should use P/R, although even then I sorta feel bleh about barrage, and pretty much all shouts that aren't pve-only are sorta meh.




TLDR; OP is looking for a build for their hero, using barrage and shouts, and should use a P/R rather than R/P to accomplish that task. 8+ leadership, 9~10 marks, 12+ in your primary shout. You could use mot and command, though you'd probably be better off specializing in one.

The pvx version of spiritway is still sub optimal.

Why would anyone bring Anguish while making Painful Bond optional? And no AoU on the communing rit? BoC is also not as good as SoC for energy management in areas with enchantment stripping. Even if your BoC is up, your communing hero would find it tough to maintain all those spirits in his bar. If BoC is stripped, his effectiveness goes way down. And not a single res?

No Splinter Weapon on the channeling rit and no SoH? I think the build fits a caster, like Jeydra's ele , more than a melee player.

Too many things wrong with it. PvX has nothing to do with what I said. Don't understand why you brought it into discussion.

But since we are at it I think main problem of spiritway on PvX is that it doesn't have PB. Other than that I'd say your post has more things wrong with it than that build.

There are a lot more things wrong with it than just PB. There are some minor issues. Mainly like not enough variants and optionals. But not the ones you have listed (except for PB).