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Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

23 Apr 2010 at 13:51 - 1

Hi everyone . So , as you noticed , the game is dying and it's very hard to find people at some hours to do some things in guild wars .

I will give examples for pve and pvp :
- in pve , it's almost impossible to find anyone in DoA , Urgoz , or the Deep. And , in those areas , you basically cannot try by yourself since you can't make a full team with heroes/henchs.Aswell , if there are teams there , if you don't have THE wiki build associated , you cannot play .

-in pvp , well it's kinda every place which you cannot do : GvG cannot be fixed anyway so i won't discuss about it . HA and Codex are really hard to play for like half the day for euro hours , because there is noone to fight , or there are 2 very experienced teams in , which makes it hard for other teams who want to try .

Aswell for both places , i find disconnections in team ( which come very frequently ) affecting too much the rest of the team: like if the person who has EoE for urgoz dcs / if snarer dcs in HA , etc...

That is why i suggest that full heroes team should be allowed in places i mentionned , in order that everyone can try by himself , and still can get high worth value items in pve . Aswell , for reasons mentionned on other threads , it would fix all the waiting times in pvp ( once again , it's a question of time waiting , not builds and etc..).

Waiting your comments

..

Warvic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2009

The Netherlands

A/W

23 Apr 2010 at 14:26 - 2

yh why not. alot of elite high end pro kid pvp people will complain about heroes in HA again. But more people will come to pvp again.

And I would also like to try those elite missions with heroes. If it's possible?

So what i'm trying to say is.. It's bad to add heroes, but the game is dead anyway.. So just add heroes

But only in Ugoz, Deep, DoA and HA.

beren kat jollie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Dharma Initiative (DhiN)

23 Apr 2010 at 14:53 - 3

agree 100%

also i will sugest the return of the heroes arena, HB

WarcryOfTruth

Site Contributor

Join Date: Nov 2009

Atlanta

[LIFE]

P/

23 Apr 2010 at 15:30 - 4

Join a guild that does those said areas. It isn't hard, mine does them, heroes ruined the MM aspect of this MMORPG...

Masmar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Aberdeen, Scotland

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

E/

23 Apr 2010 at 15:47 - 5

Heroes in HA will not bring more people to HA, it will make it harder to get a team, as everyone will be running with gwen, making teams 7 man, not 8

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

23 Apr 2010 at 16:26 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Join a guild that does those said areas. It isn't hard, mine does them, heroes ruined the MM aspect of this MMORPG...

This.

Areas like The Deep, Urgoz Warren, Domain of Anguish, etc. can be done with a guild/alliance team. If you need people so bad, find a guild that works, as PUGs are always apt to fail.

For PvP..... wow.... you do know what the 'P' in that acronym stands for, right? Player versus Player, not Player versus Hero. Was a good thing to eliminate them completely, in some ways I wish they hadn't added the new hench in, but I understand the need to fill a role when short at times.

/unsigned

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

R/

23 Apr 2010 at 16:45 - 7

/signed for PvE. Who cares.

/notsigned for PvP. AI is broken in an area where you're supposed to fight other players.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

23 Apr 2010 at 17:08 - 8

I understand but , it's not a question of heroes IA or builds , it's about fixing all waiting time to form , restartings , etc... .
Actually at some hours, you can take till 1 hour to form team , to then have 15 restarts everymap. Or , at least make not heroes for HA , but henchs they implemented . Aswell , it's about full henchs team , not 1-2 limit only .

Also for pve i understand but , once again , it's about doing it when you want to. It's hard to have 6+ players free at some times , and that want to do it partiulary .

Masmar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Aberdeen, Scotland

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

E/

23 Apr 2010 at 17:33 - 9

Yeah cause you're gunna beat 8 players with 7 heroes.
There's no point

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

23 Apr 2010 at 17:40 - 10

I said it's question of time waitings. If many people play full henchs , they will fight themselves and , anyway , a full team of heroes can beat real party ( old 6v6 , many ppl did , sf ways , semi balanced , etc..).

Masmar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Aberdeen, Scotland

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

E/

23 Apr 2010 at 17:45 - 11

yeah heroes. That can have their builds set to whatever the user requires to abuse.
You just said as many hench as you want, who definately wouldn't beat people, not with the way they spam frenzy

beren kat jollie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Dharma Initiative (DhiN)

23 Apr 2010 at 18:02 - 12

HA is dead, RA is dead, pves is dead, gw is dead so let ppl play with heros

robmdq

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

23 Apr 2010 at 20:03 - 13

/unsigned for PVE

/unsigned for PVP

WHy?

For PVE, there are henchmen, i have played through the whole game with them, even wuring the days when THK was nearly unbeatable i made it through with henchmen (took me a while, but was tired of failing PUGs).

For PVP, as someone else already said, it is PLAYER Vs PLAYER, i don't play pvp, but i respect those who does and enjoy it, i'm even agaiinst the henchmen in the guild halls, letting heroes in would be quite quite insulting for the people who skillfully play that style

End

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

23 Apr 2010 at 20:32 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmdq

For PVE, there are henchmen, i have played through the whole game with them, even wuring the days when THK was nearly unbeatable i made it through with henchmen (took me a while, but was tired of failing PUGs).

/waits til he relises that the areas mentioned don't have henchman so you'd end up with a 4 person party...but with only proph you wouldn't know that...so I forgive you...

/signed for PvE

for the reasoning that there are no henchman (or add henchman to those areas :\ although I'd really prefer heros)

/not signed for PvP

While it might help fill in bitch roles it's Still ai that dosen't belong in PvP

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

R/

23 Apr 2010 at 22:00 - 15

/notsigned for both

For PvP... there is a reason they removed heroes in there in the first place. nuff said.

For PvE, think about it, really. yes, there are no henchmen in those areas, but heroes are already allowed. effectively, you only need a group of 2-3 real players to go into those areas anyway, depending on the party size limit. If it takes so long to find another one or two people to do the elite area, then as WarcryOfTruth said, join a guild, you will find the necessary other people there

Swahnee

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Italy

Mo/

23 Apr 2010 at 23:13 - 16

If you want to improve PUG'ing, what you really need, IMHO, is a better tool to form parties in outposts, which has already been suggested somewhere on these forums. Something like a window (like the search function) where you sign the mission/area you want to do and see who other wants to do it in that moment.

If you are concerned with PUGs' problems (not knowing people etc.), then, as already suggested, the better solution is to find good friends to play with (a guild or a friend list).

Terrible Surgeon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2009

hopper

A/

25 Apr 2010 at 09:19 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Join a guild that does those said areas. It isn't hard, mine does them, heroes ruined the MM aspect of this MMORPG...

BE unranked and join a good guild of HA ppl and ask them if you can go..see what they say...as it is, this game is shrinking in player base. Anet better do something in the next 6 months or this game will freeze. Imagine HA being worse than codex is now with nobody in it at all. That is where it is headed.

Also, about heros in pvp....YOU DESIGNED THE HERO..U PLAY THE HERO BAR VIA MICROS....HB was 1v1 with heros..all player designed..that was pvp. Henchmen are more pve than heros are, because they cant be designed by the players.

Morphy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2009

The Netherlands

Not going to keep up with that anymore

R/

25 Apr 2010 at 13:05 - 18

Heroes were mainly a problem because they were ridiculously good with stuff like interrupts, Tainted Flesh and Ritualist Weapon Spells. This created extremely gimmicky hero builds such as the Tease Hero. I'd rather not see that in PvP again, if you don't mind. Regardless of what Heroes were "supposed to be", these kind of problems are what really happens.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

28 Apr 2010 at 07:00 - 19

Actually , looking at Hero IA ( which was supposed to be fixed ) , a tease hero is nothing compared to the classic rupting bot everyone use , so i do not see the problem ( anyway , even if they were equal , since nothing is done against bot , why not let people able to take heroes ).So plz , no more lame excuse such as " it's player vs player "

It's been 3 days now it is just impossible to play HA : there is noone to play with , noone to fight ( two days ago , we had 15mn restarts every map , to just end fighting same team every fight , quite pathetic .. ) , and finally after some ppl left , we get 1v1 hall vs usual morning farmer , and we had no chance ( but anyway , this last fight isnt the point ) .

For pve suggestions , yes ok ,but the point is to be able to do some areas when you want ( or when no guildy on or want to do it ) . I know some people that would like being able trying DoA by their own ( instead of waiting whole day to see 1 team full of sins and monks , whereas they're warrior or w/e ) .

Nuclfus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Screw guilds.

Me/

01 May 2010 at 22:23 - 20

/signed

That's what heroes were made for.

Kosar The Cruel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2010

Ontario, Canada

D/

01 May 2010 at 22:45 - 21

Most any PvE alliances these days do the Deep, Urgoz, UW, FoW, and DoA. Just join one and ask if anyone wants to do them. Just tell the group before hand that it's your 1st time.
/unsigned for PvE

As for PvP, what MagmaRed said...

Quote:

For PvP..... wow.... you do know what the 'P' in that acronym stands for, right? Player versus Player, not Player versus Hero.

/unsigned for PvP

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

02 May 2010 at 21:25 - 22

Pretty sure that ANet has said that they have no intentions (yet) to allow full hero parties into the game, because they don't believe it is dead enough to warrant such action.

I'm also pretty sure that people have asked in the past for heroes to be more available. So,

Closed.