Alright, well, after experiencing this myself and seeing countless reports about it in local chat and having all my friends say "Yeah this is insane", I thought I'd see if this was as widespread as this appears. This isn't a whining post or an "ANET FIX MY SHIT NOW" thing, just bringing it to the forefront. A similar thing was done during Wintersday and that prompted Regina to alert us that their server was the issue behind insane Kamadan lag. This just started being widely complained about yesterday, too; it's not like this has occurred the entire event.
It really is sad that I have to justify a simple question with a full paragraph, but oh well.
Latency in Riven Earth?
DRGN
athariel
Raptor farmers are lagging the server
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by athariel
Raptor farmers are lagging the server
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There are always a lot of raptor farmers, but now people are farming with 2-4 bot accounts as well and it's mucking the server up. Bot forums have been chatting about it for a few days. They actually had to build in delay times to account for the lag in some instances.
Welcome to GW 2010 - land of the bots.
Bob Slydell
And as always, Arena Net's word on combating the bots is of course a lie, otherwise this wouldn't be going on.
Ailina
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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell
And as always, Arena Net's word on combating the bots is of course a lie, otherwise this wouldn't be going on.
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It's ridiculous for you to be so confident that Anet is lying about dealing with the bots, because you have no idea what goes on in their offices and how many bots they've already gotten rid of. You just see the ones they haven't gotten yet.
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by Ailina
Just because they're not able to get rid of them does not mean that they're lying about combating them. Since you seem to think that it's easy to solve the problem of people using bots, how would you go about doing it? How do you suggest that Anet figure out which characters are bots and which are just obsessive farmers? Especially if the player is using a macro, there is no way for Anet to know that they're a bot except for player reports (and there are a ridiculous amount of those) or a close analysis of a suspected bot's pattern movements, and it seems like that would be nearly impossible given the number of reports and possible bots.
It's ridiculous for you to be so confident that Anet is lying about dealing with the bots, because you have no idea what goes on in their offices and how many bots they've already gotten rid of. You just see the ones they haven't gotten yet. |
Deviant Angel
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
^ Exactly. Right before the event, a raptor farming bot's source code was widely released and made downloadable by several GW fan sites.
There are always a lot of raptor farmers, but now people are farming with 2-4 bot accounts as well and it's mucking the server up. Bot forums have been chatting about it for a few days. They actually had to build in delay times to account for the lag in some instances. Welcome to GW 2010 - land of the bots. |
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Ailina
Since you seem to think that it's easy to solve the problem of people using bots, how would you go about doing it?
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That would cut the botting in GW about 50%-75%. There would still be ways to bot, but they would be much less efficient.
aspi
And how exactly is it possible for a bot to run this? There are a few patterns in the movement of the hatchlings but nothing a bot would be able to handle?
Mini Vizu
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Originally Posted by aspi
And how exactly is it possible for a bot to run this? There are a few patterns in the movement of the hatchlings but nothing a bot would be able to handle?
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Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by aspi
And how exactly is it possible for a bot to run this? There are a few patterns in the movement of the hatchlings but nothing a bot would be able to handle?
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EDIT: Let me add a caveat, because I know that Anet employees read Guru and barely understand a damn thing about botting. I do not bot. I know many people who do, read the forums, etc. If you guys decide to blanket ban because you don't know what you're doing, leave me out of it.
Schnellburg
You inject a .dll file into the gw application, and it understands certain colors and what not. This allows your "Bot" to do things. The bots then can recognize the hatchlings, and then determine when it is best to aggro everything. It isn't that hard to figure it all out.
Botting will always exist. It really comes down to you just getting use to it, because if they do figure out a way to get rid of it, you could always just run a macro you set up yourself, and it is in theory a bot, but not.
Botting will always exist. It really comes down to you just getting use to it, because if they do figure out a way to get rid of it, you could always just run a macro you set up yourself, and it is in theory a bot, but not.
khios
Karate Jesus, my dear friend (or not? your choice) do you really think it's that easy to block bot programs?
Let's just take an example... Let's take the case of a well known FPS : Counter-Strike (1.6 or CSS as you want)
Steam aka Valve has been on the scene for quite a long time but there's still bots coming out every day! Using different injection models and some are just UNdetectable (aka ring0 injection)!
So a company like A.Net can't really do anything, for know it's just a DLL Injection in the process of the game using a injector but the man who created this injector is well known on cheating/botting scene and have so many Aces in his sleve that seriously disabling dll injection might just stop botting 1 day!
So yeah there's bots farming every where nowadays, some are public, some are private but do they change your gameplay (except for lags) at all? If they want to make a program play the game for all the day (time during wich they can't play if they only have an account) that's their problem. They don't botter me @ all and thank to them I can build my Cupcakes stacks a lot cheaper than before
Let's just take an example... Let's take the case of a well known FPS : Counter-Strike (1.6 or CSS as you want)
Steam aka Valve has been on the scene for quite a long time but there's still bots coming out every day! Using different injection models and some are just UNdetectable (aka ring0 injection)!
So a company like A.Net can't really do anything, for know it's just a DLL Injection in the process of the game using a injector but the man who created this injector is well known on cheating/botting scene and have so many Aces in his sleve that seriously disabling dll injection might just stop botting 1 day!
So yeah there's bots farming every where nowadays, some are public, some are private but do they change your gameplay (except for lags) at all? If they want to make a program play the game for all the day (time during wich they can't play if they only have an account) that's their problem. They don't botter me @ all and thank to them I can build my Cupcakes stacks a lot cheaper than before
sixdartbart
2 mostly empty A districts and 1 completely empty int district makes me sceptical about this lag all being bot related, maybe it is and I don't know where they are but after seeing the waves of monks streaming out of the portals at older well known bot farms makes me wonder.
This lag is rediculous no matter what is causing it, add in super crap cc drops and afking nine rings is fun in comparison.
Anyone know why drops are so bad for me?
Gold items & saurian bones seem about the same as every other time I've farmed event items out there but cc drops are maybe 1-3 per run as opposed to 10-16 that I have gotten every other time I was out there.
any clues aside from the invisible bots?
This lag is rediculous no matter what is causing it, add in super crap cc drops and afking nine rings is fun in comparison.
Anyone know why drops are so bad for me?
Gold items & saurian bones seem about the same as every other time I've farmed event items out there but cc drops are maybe 1-3 per run as opposed to 10-16 that I have gotten every other time I was out there.
any clues aside from the invisible bots?
bursta91
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Dzjudz
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2 mostly empty A districts and 1 completely empty int district makes me sceptical about this lag all being bot related, maybe it is and I don't know where they are but after seeing the waves of monks streaming out of the portals at older well known bot farms makes me wonder.
This lag is rediculous no matter what is causing it, add in super crap cc drops and afking nine rings is fun in comparison. Anyone know why drops are so bad for me? Gold items & saurian bones seem about the same as every other time I've farmed event items out there but cc drops are maybe 1-3 per run as opposed to 10-16 that I have gotten every other time I was out there. any clues aside from the invisible bots? |
sixdartbart
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Well I've done around a 1000 raptor farms this event (from r3 to r10 asura is about 150,000 points and a run gives approximately 150 points, so that's a 1000 runs) and I have less than 2000 cupcakes (little more than 7 stacks), which gives an average of less than 2 cupcakes per run. This is with HM W/N raptor farming, killing 32-34 raptors (including boss). So I think you're not extraordinarily low with your drops.
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everytime I have farmed event drops here {W/N as well} I average around 10
maybe they just want CCs to be hard to get? well unless you are the guy with 15k of them for sale the first day of the event... hahahaha
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
^ Exactly. Right before the event, a raptor farming bot's source code was widely released and made downloadable by several GW fan sites.
There are always a lot of raptor farmers, but now people are farming with 2-4 bot accounts as well and it's mucking the server up. Bot forums have been chatting about it for a few days. They actually had to build in delay times to account for the lag in some instances. Welcome to GW 2010 - land of the bots. |
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by khios
Karate Jesus, my dear friend (or not? your choice) do you really think it's that easy to block bot programs?
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Originally Posted by khios
Steam aka Valve has been on the scene for quite a long time but there's still bots coming out every day! Using different injection models and some are just UNdetectable (aka ring0 injection)!
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Originally Posted by khios
So a company like A.Net can't really do anything, for know it's just a DLL Injection in the process of the game using a injector but the man who created this injector is well known on cheating/botting scene and have so many Aces in his sleve that seriously disabling dll injection might just stop botting 1 day!
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So yeah there's bots farming every where nowadays, some are public, some are private but do they change your gameplay (except for lags) at all? If they want to make a program play the game for all the day (time during wich they can't play if they only have an account) that's their problem. They don't botter me @ all and thank to them I can build my Cupcakes stacks a lot cheaper than before
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- They crowd specific areas of the game.
- They lower the cost of farmable items (as you mentioned, cupcakes are a good example).
- They affect PvP on a widespread level from RA/CM to HA/GvG.
- They give inactive players the ability to max titles (gamer points, glad points, etc.)
- They give players the ability to earn exponential amounts of money depending on how many accounts they own.
- And for so many more reasons.
All of those things affect everyone's gameplay experience. Assuming they don't is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Eluvatar
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I regard this Anet's fault for making the good stuff (wealth, and thus armour and titles) require grind rather than being achievement based. As long as the game has grind, I wholeheartedly support people botting their way through it. It runs counter to the Guild Wars philosophy (skill > time) so it seems like bots are a perfect match.
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Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Eluvatar
ya you support it until you get banned for lucky boting like a friend of mine
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Anyways, even if I did use a bot and Anet somehow scraped together their collective programming skill and EVENTUALLY made a Warden-esque program and I got banned I'd still support botting. For as long as Anet rewards quantity over quality, which I imagine will be forever.
ightgg
Botting will never die.
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by khios
the man who created this injector is well known on cheating/botting scene and have so many Aces in his sleve that seriously disabling dll injection might just stop botting 1 day!
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Zahr Dalsk
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He sounds like a pretty cool guy! He probably has more friends than me, gets laid by random hot women on an hourly basis more than I do, has lots of money in the bank, a very nice car, a very big house... man, I sure wish I was him. I do hope he really does have all that stuff, I'm not about to think someone with his vast widespread amazing internet intelligence is living at home with his parents in the basement at 30 years of age, that would be silly! All hail the god of bot scripts!
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Spiritz
hey karate - you forgot one valid point
Bots also affect normal players to which other players see a certain armor/profession - eg monk and being in say bergen - we often get accused of being bots and a few times whilst arguing with an idiot he still acuses you of being a bot ( wow they must make bots now that argue with players ( uber stealth mode lol ). I do wonder how many innocent players have actually been reported as bots.
If a player has to resort to botting then why the hell are they playing the game ,
player - wow ive had a gd time playing gw and made some money - enjoyment
botter - wow ive sat down an watched tv while my bot "PLAYS" gw for me.
Loads will probably agree - /uninstall if you cba to play the game and leave playing the game to people who want to play.
/exit preachers pulpit :P
Bots also affect normal players to which other players see a certain armor/profession - eg monk and being in say bergen - we often get accused of being bots and a few times whilst arguing with an idiot he still acuses you of being a bot ( wow they must make bots now that argue with players ( uber stealth mode lol ). I do wonder how many innocent players have actually been reported as bots.
If a player has to resort to botting then why the hell are they playing the game ,
player - wow ive had a gd time playing gw and made some money - enjoyment
botter - wow ive sat down an watched tv while my bot "PLAYS" gw for me.
Loads will probably agree - /uninstall if you cba to play the game and leave playing the game to people who want to play.
/exit preachers pulpit :P
Bob Slydell
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You seem butthurt, did you lose to one of these bots in RA?
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I might as well not even respond anymore. I'm not going to win this fight, this is the internet. No one wins.
Zahr Dalsk
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player - wow ive had a gd time playing gw and made some money - enjoyment
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Anyways, here's how it works.
1. Bot runs overnight and while you're at work.
2. Play GW in spare time, pass all the useless grind because the bot did it for you.
3. Get to actually play GW instead of grinding.
4. ???
5. It's like you've artificially substituted good game design in by hiding the grind away, since Anet was incapable of avoiding grind themselves.
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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell
No, but no matter how much this guy makes his bots, at least I will be the one with the life.
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Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I doubt you have one, given that you're complaining about it here like it matters.
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Pugs Not Drugs
You guys realize threads like this actually bring attention to bots?
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell
Can assure you I do
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Denial, I think.
Turbo Ginsu
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Originally Posted by Pugs Not Drugs
You guys realize threads like this actually bring attention to bots?
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Basically, it's best known by it's alternative name: Drawing Ointment.
If a filthy great ugly pus-filled canker (Let's call it "Bot's" for posterity
) refuses to come to a head, the resultant infection spread can kill. What are we doing here? Quite simple really. We see the canker (Bots) and we are doing our best to force it to come to a head. (Ichthammol).Our logic is undeniable..
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I really doubt it. You've got the manner of a man (manchild?) covering his own inadequacies by launching tirades against those with greater programming ability than yourself. What I don't understand is why it matters so much to you, like, at all, to the point at which you seek to assure random folks on the internet that you do indeed have a life.
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This is done really. I'm done with this conversation. Zahr... I don't hate you and never did but your starting to anger me.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell
I hate people with a better programming skill that use it to cheat in games, which, ruins it for most legit players, is against the eula..etc..
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Then they obtain un needed and un earned ass kissing from lowlings beneath them who think this person is a Bot/Cheat GOD and should be respected.
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Neo Nugget
I've had to come back here three times to clean this thread up for various reasons. I think it's safe to say that this thread is now closed for business.
Closed.
Closed.