A question to moderators

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

Ok i just made a post on money making in the questions and answers section, and was told to put it in the farming section... so i did... and its now closed...

where do u expect me to put it?

I don't understand whats so wrong about asking for opinions on money making?!

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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Because you don't read the rules. And now you did it again - you asked a question to moderators in a FARMING section.

Just stop using the Internet, please.

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

Stop using the internet? Good one!

So what section shall i go to to ask the moderators about a question to do with a post i made in the farming section then?

What's the rules on that one then?

This is stupid, money making is a huge part of the game, if you don't make money, you wont get through it, and it's completely banned on the forum.... is there anything that i am allowed to talk about here?

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

Ok firstly it was on the main page because thats where i asked it first and was then told to put it in the farming section....

so i did.... the only reason its on here twice was because i was told to move it

Then when i did, i was told i wasn't allowed to do it there either.

I'm not here to argue or anything i just don't see what's wrong with it, iv used the search function and i cant find much atall i just find posts that have ALSO been closed.

If anyone could point me to a post which answers my question then i will gladly shut up and sit here and read it.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Your problem is that you don't bother to read stickies. Those threads are stickied for a reason. The rules are there to keep the forums clean and purposeful. If you don't want to read them and have things spoonfed to you, do it elsewhere. From the General Campfire Guidelines:

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1. Don't be lazy.

Before making a thread, do as much as you can to help yourself. It is unfair to expect other people to spend their time helping you when you haven't spent any time yourself. If you make a thread and it is obvious you haven't done so, it is highly likely your thread will be closed. Threads that state 'Can someone tell me some good builds', or something to that effect, will always be closed, as this information can easily be found elsewhere. It is expected that you look through the online resources and search (both manually and using the search function) through the forum before making threads.

Some resources you may find useful include the
Official Wiki, the Unofficial Wiki, PvXWiki (for builds), YouTube (for tutorial videos), the stickies in each subforum, and possibly the FAQ in the Questions and Answers forum if your question is more generic.

In addition, if you haven't been successful in finding what you need, give us as much information as you can. Information such as which campaigns you own, whether you regularly play with a friend/family member, specifically where you're having issues, or whether you play in any way that would somehow influence your question. This helps people address your problem as specifically as they can. There is a ton of information out there. It's just a matter of reading it.

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

i am a member of many forums, some i have even moderated on (nothing to do with guild wars) i know how annoying it is to see the same posts over and over again so i ALWAYS check the search for what im looking for before posted. i even stated that clearly at the top of my post.

I just couldn't find what i was looking for. i found several posts but most of them began with something like "iv only got a Warrior and a Monk and i need a build... etc" well iv got allot more than that so i have allot more options, im not trying to upset anyone atall.

And normally i do read the rules but as its such a common thing throughout the same, its practically one of the biggest parts of the game (if not for money and items, what's the point in farming?) so i didnt think it would be against the rules.

That's all im trying to say, i ment no offence.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Did you try PvXWiki? Pretty much every farming build that people care about is there. This is why I closed your thread. Asking 'give me the best farming builds' is a waste of time when there's a link to a website that lists them in the sticky. If I let that thread continue, all the posts would have been either 'omg you fail read the rules omg omg' or point to PvX, as I did in the Guidelines.

Surely you can understand that? (Don't mean to make that sound condescending).

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

no thats fine i realise that.

But yes i use PVXbuils and although its a great website for builds and i practically get all my builds from there. Theres loads of farming builds but none of them actually say how much you can earn off of them. They can completely vary and im looking for something to earn allot of gold.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Just start with the builds listed as 'great' and use your judgement. Read the comments. See if there's a Guru thread about it. You can get a better idea from that if required.

Also, different builds yield different results for different people. Some people are better at different farms/professions/styles than others, some are lucky, some aren't. You're looking at a rough estimate on returns, really. This is another reason why 'give me the best farming builds' isn't appropriate. There is just so much variation that it is hard to be specific.

Anyway, I've got to go, so I won't be returning to this discussion until tomorrow.

Renai

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

Finding It Really Easy [Fire]

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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/e...t10428287.html

read that, easy and 2 - 8 ectos a run (hour-ish)

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

Ok thanks for your help

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

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A great way to make money:
USE YOUR BRAIN.
I saw in your last thread, that uve been farming UW,and for a LITTLE nerf, you cant do it anymore*Bawwww*
L2use PvX,SAVE, L2Think,SAVE, Make your own farming builds, SAVE,Dont buy something when you finally got like, 10 k...SAVE.

Schnellburg

Schnellburg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

America -5 GMT

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Get in a guild/alliance that does DoA. It is an easy Armbrace (roughly 30e) every 2 hours-3 hours. Otherwise just start powertrading. Now is a good time for selling with cupcakes dropping. Buy/farm a few stacks, and then sell them here in a few months, and make 2x-3x what you paid for them.

Jarge

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

England

Queen and Country [QC]

P/W

Pvp is the fastest, most reliable and funnest way of making huge amounts of money.

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

WOW thanks for the sarcasm and cocky answers!

I was asking for advice, not demanding top answers...
Iv never done PvP so I don't know if there's any money in it... I'v never done power trading... that's why I was asking, for suggestions and new ideas...

I thought that was the whole point in the forum, I hadn't played in a while and i was asking for some friendly advice and I get a wave of angry hardcore gamer sarcasm and cockiness. :/

So thanks to those of you who actually made useful suggestions. For the rest of you... go find something else to do with your life.

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

Its because members are sick and tired of people posting questions that are either already been posted many times or people that dont use search nor read forum rules - and im not saying you in general .

Firstly read the rules - that way you are protecting yourself against angry hardcore gamer sarcasm and cockiness.
Next use search and see what can be dug up for your chr(s) for farming .
Next if you read the rules you know you cannot ask for money making builds etc
If time is taken and posts read then all your questions are answered.
Community members dislike having to repeat stuff time and time again and i know mods hate having to close posts that have been posted xxxx times by many people on same subjects.
It tends to be like driving around with kids in the back constantly asking "are we there yet ? ".
Pvx is a gd place to get build ideas but making your own builds and finding places yourself that can be farmed is more rewarding.Even going thru the farming builds on here is often better than pvx and if you have a partial or full build and want advice then ask as you will often get more help as asking for builds and presenting a build for advice are two different things.
Also suggest asking a mod to close this thread incase any trolls decide to join in and it will stop any other nasty comments.

Last note - we have to follow forum rules which means mods like marty have to follow their mod rules otherwise the admins have to enforce the site rules - mods have a job to do and thats enforce the rules and tidy things up afterwards.
Rather than make a post about mods it may have been easier to pm marty and ask why closure on posts and have it explained in pm

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

Ok ill be honest, i haven't read the rules, but i also didn't think asking for advise on money making would be against the rules as its a very big part of the game.

I know about pvx builds, infact iv been playing so long that i used to get my builds off of Guild Wiki untill they stopped and it was all moved to pvx.

Iv had many UW solo builds and solo farming certain areas. I was mainly asking if there was any other ways to make money, yea iv been playing the game for a long time but iv only ever done UW solo things, is this really one of the best ways to do it? when u do the same run over and over again with little profit you start to question "are their better ways of doing this?" "i only want one set of armour and its going to cost me a weekends worth of repetitive boring play" its just me being curious... iv been playing for years but there's still so much i don't know about the game and haven't tried.

like someone said... PvP, i never do PvP to be honest, i didn't think there was any money in it atall.... but that's a new idea to me

and the same with Power Trading... don't really know about that but its a new idea.

Thats all i was asking, it may have seemed like i was just coming on here demanding the best farming build but it wasn't that atall.
Sarcastic comments about other peoples sarcasm...somethings wrong there...



Quote: I was asking for advice, not demanding top answers...
Iv never done PvP so I don't know if there's any money in it... I'v never done power trading... that's why I was asking, for suggestions and new ideas... OK...sooo ignoring PvP just because I doubt you can get into it...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...archid=4604182

money...nice easy search... theres a few good builds on the first page...but if your really looking for money (as you said its a popular topic) you might have to look through more then 1 page to find a truly fast money making build... *cough*second page froggy run build *cough* or you know...the next couple pages of the same subforum you posted this in...stop asking people to spoonfeed you exactly how much you are going to make doing it. 1) because no ones going to do it...stop being a lazy ass and go try it a bit and see what happens 2) because it's impossible to tell how much you can make in an hour...no one knows exactly how fast YOU will be able to do a farm or how lucky you will be with drops...Seriously...think here...

Powertrading...:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...archid=4604205

Again it's a popular topic you might have to look past the first 3 threads to get an idea of what to do



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I thought that was the whole point in the forum, I hadn't played in a while and i was asking for some friendly advice and I get a wave of angry hardcore gamer sarcasm and cockiness. :/ If you can't deal with it don't ask...Use search the answers are there...blah blah blah everyone else has told you all this stuff

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So thanks to those of you who actually made useful suggestions. For the rest of you... go find something else to do with your life. Aww did you QQ if anything the rest of the people were helping to keep you from getting banned in the long run...if people didn't do that some thick headed people would just keep asking questions and keep getting themselves into trouble...

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

No offence but I wouldn't give 2 shits if I got banned.

I'm more than capable of finding information myself, I've been playing for 4 years on and off, do you honestly think I don't know about pvx build and Guild Wiki?

I was ignoring PvP because iv never had a particularly keen interest in it for your information.

And yea, I'm more than capable of using the search function and I already have. I didn't find much of personal use, and you really think i'm going to to sifting through 4+ pages of previous posts... the majority of them don't work any more, and the rest of them have had the same answers as me because according to you, its not allowed to be discussed... so if its not allowed to be discussed... what am I going to find in the search?

The whole reason for asking on here is because I was looking for personal opinions and advice from experienced players. But I can see that I wont be finding that here. This is the most unfriendly forum I have ever visited and frankly I cant see the point in it at all.

Kosar The Cruel

Kosar The Cruel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2010

Ontario, Canada

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Have you tried asking your guild/alliance? I hear there are people in-game who don't mind giving suggestions.

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

yea i have, i'v got a way of making money now, i use the A/me ToPK farm. I was only asking for other ideas and suggestions, and its just gotten abit out of hand :/

Thanks

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Originally Posted by Dobbo049 View Post
I'm more than capable of finding information myself, I've been playing for 4 years on and off, do you honestly think I don't know about pvx build and Guild Wiki?
Yet here you are...


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I was ignoring PvP because iv never had a particularly keen interest in it for your information.
And yea, I'm more than capable of using the search function and I already have. I didn't find much of personal use, and you really think i'm going to to sifting through 4+ pages of previous posts... the majority of them don't work any more, and the rest of them have had the same answers as me because according to you, its not allowed to be discussed... so if its not allowed to be discussed... what am I going to find in the search? if your to stupid to see it yourself why should I tell you...as a matter of fact I did tell you one that has wonderful potential...you seem to be extremely thick headed though and might not have caught it...

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The whole reason for asking on here is because I was looking for personal opinions and advice from experienced players. But I can see that I wont be finding that here. This is the most unfriendly forum I have ever visited and frankly I cant see the point in it at all. KK leave please thank you

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

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Originally Posted by End View Post
Yet here you are...
I can quote everything you say too... fun isnt it?

If you read the whole post rather than just the first sentence and then stringing out a pointless comment you would have realised that the reason i am here is for personal advice and opinions...

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Originally Posted by End View Post
couldn't care less Then why ask?

This thread is a prime example of why questions like this are banned.

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Originally Posted by Dobbo049
Ok ill be honest, i haven't read the rules, but i also didn't think asking for advise on money making would be against the rules Tbh this could have all been avoided if you'd had read the rules; after all, assumptions are the mother of all f**kups.

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

I agree, and im perfectly happy to admit that i screwed up by not doing so, i should have read the rules and this topic has gotten way out of hand...

But aslong as certain people want to let out their pointless opinions then im more than happy to apply

Thanks

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Originally Posted by Dobbo049 View Post
I can quote everything you say too... fun isnt it?
It makes it clearer to read then 1 long block so ty

Quote: If you read the whole post rather than just the first sentence and then stringing out a pointless comment you would have realised that the reason i am here is for personal advice and opinions...
And if you searched you would have found both some people don't understand how to look for what they want. You won't be spoon-fed everything all your life learn to find it....it's all right there it just takes looking through a few posts


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Then why ask? Who asked anything about PvP O.O I mentioned it being a pain to get into any real high end PvP that you could make legitimate amounts of money off of...no clue where your pulling this out of?



Quote: Previously you said....

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Firstly... tad insulting and a little bit rude? don't you think so?
For your information i did read the useful comments you wrote and i have been researching what you suggested. But the fact that you decided to pad out all ur useful information with a load of unhelpful bullshit and sarcasm. Dosn't help mate... Then don't read what I write, I never claim to be a nice person.

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You appear to be a year older than me so i would have expected you to be able to string a reply together a little bit more maturely... but who cares, hit me again this is fun According to your profile I am barely older then you, sadly it doesn't show intelligence levels in which case I'd be miles ahead... My insults are all linked to useful information so I see no problem. Grow a backbone or don't read what I write. It's your choice.

btw realized dosen't have an "s" in it

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

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Originally Posted by End View Post
And if you searched you would have found both some people don't understand how to look for what they want. You won't be spoon-fed everything all your life learn to find it....it's all right there it just takes looking through a few posts
Yes thank you i understand that i probably didn't look hard enough, but the spoon-feeding joke is getting a little bit old now, id suggest you "Search" for something new

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Who asked anything about PvP O.O I mentioned it being a pain to get into any real high end PvP that you could make legitimate amounts of money off of...no clue where your pulling this out of?
OK...sooo ignoring PvP just because I doubt you can get into it... I was only replying to that by saying that I'v never been interested enough to give it a go.

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According to your profile I am barely older then you, sadly it doesn't show intelligence levels in which case I'd be miles ahead... My insults are all linked to useful information so I see no problem. Grow a backbone or don't read what I write. It's your choice. Ohh yea... when it comes to intelligence you are off the scale!!! Full of mature useful comments i can only hope to one day possess as much wisdom as you do.

P.S. .... That ....... was sarcasm........

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Originally Posted by Dobbo049 View Post
Yes thank you i understand that i probably didn't look hard enough, but the spoon-feeding joke is getting a little bit old now, id suggest you "Search" for something new
now if only it was a joke...

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Previously you said....


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I was only replying to that by saying that I'v never been interested enough to give it a go. and I said I didn't care and you said

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Then why ask? Which makes no sense as i didn't ask...

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Quote: I never denied you have useful comments, just find it hard to thank someone who also pads his posts out with useless insults

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Ohh yea... when it comes to intelligence you are off the scale!!! Full of mature useful comments i can only hope to one day possess as much wisdom as you do. And pointless ad hominem attacks are sooo useful at least mine accompany something worthwhile...

And your right I am full of useful comments...you just have to look through me calling you an idiot


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P.S. .... That ....... was sarcasm........ Again from the guy who complained about there being to much sarcasm...there seems to be a lot of hypocrisy as well...


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Sooo...basically...your post makes no real points...please try to have a point behind your next one....

Dobbo049

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Guild of the Diciples

N/Me

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Which makes no sense as i didn't ask...
Ok then I shall re-phrase

"Then why make an inappropriate assumption regarding something I said about PvP, you assume that just because I have never had an interest in it, I will never get into it?"

Does that make more sense? Do you understand now or shall i try using some pictures for u?

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And your right I am full of useful comments...you just have to look through me calling you an idiot
I never ask for thanks...



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Again from the guy who complained about there being to much sarcasm...there seems to be a lot of hypocrisy as well... I'm just trying to fit in

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Sooo...basically...your post makes no real points...please try to have a point behind your next one.... I don't have a point really, it expired the other day. I'm just enjoying this pointless ramble that were having.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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Originally Posted by Dobbo049 View Post
Ok then I shall re-phrase

"Then why make an inappropriate assumption regarding something I said about PvP, you assume that just because I have never had an interest in it, I will never get into it?"

Does that make more sense? Do you understand now or shall i try using some pictures for u?
I mean that Guild Wars PvP is setup so that it is almost impossible for a new person to enter any high end PvP...looking around on here for awhile and you'll notice that... These days a new person getting in has nothing to do with skill (although important) and everything to do with getting lucky enough to get in with established people.


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I never denied you have useful comments, just find it hard to thank someone who also pads his posts out with useless insults
I'm just trying to fit in /meh don't care


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I don't have a point really, it expired the other day. I'm just enjoying this pointless ramble that were having. Yeah...I noticed you have't had much of a point...only reason I'm here is to defend against baseless ad hominem attacks ... really now though I'm just waiting for all of these posts to be deleted... I give it 3 hours...just a guess though...

Calista Blackblood

Calista Blackblood

Permanently Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

Northern Ireland

Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide]

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Without reading this thread,I can tell it doesn't really contribute anything..