Petition to Demand a Response from Anet on Botting

Especially real money. A stack of ecto can go for $20+, and a full, ranked account can go for well over $150.

Well there's only one possible solution then. Stop making games. I mean, if there's any sort of time investment, or repetative process, even in minute quantities, it's all the developers fault people cheat.

So let's write the foundation for the brand new Guild Wars, or for that matter, the future of MMO's.

- Everyone wears the same armor. There are no more choices guys and gals. It's all standard chainmail from here on in. No dyes, or guild capes either. Also, it's free.

- Melee players, you get one sword and sheild. Again, standard claymores, and round sheilds. Anything rare, or variant can cause unwanted desire from players. That is a forbidden emotion that can lead to botting for such unique items. Casters - You get a stick that looks somewhat like a Magic Wand, but really, it's just a stick. Sorry, but glowy effects will make what you have desirable. Again, we can't allow players to feel any sort of wanting.

- Mini Pets? We're sorry. We have to take them from you. Little did we know you'd all treat each other like crap over such a small thing. I suppose that's our fault, as developers, for making stuff though. We're learning our lesson. From now on you'll be gifted nothing.

- We're also removing all crafting. Seeing as how you get your standard armor from the start, also your sword and sticks, it's not necessary to incorporating crafting. We'll handle your equipment for you. Again, our fault. It's much safer for the community this way.

- And well...since everything is free..there's no gold anymore. That also means no quest rewards. No experience, or levels either. Also, to prevent repetition, once you've completed our game, you'll be forced to reroll characters. Don't worry, it's not that big of a deal. You get everything for free from the start.

-Because you all have the same equipment, you will all have the same stats. Seperation of power by statted items can cause botting to obtain those items. To solve this, we're removing all drops.

- Basically, what we're saying is, you're not allowed to ever show yourselves as unique. From here on in you must conform, like an army of Storm Troopers. Any reward you obtain will be removed from your account. This is for your gaming protection from bots. As long as we remove these key aspects, we can be assured that cheating will never happen. Welcome to the future of online gaming.



.........I can see where you're coming from. It is all the developers fault. Now that I really think of it, Even from the times of NES and Super Mario Brothers. All those times I had to use warp pipes to get to 8. It was their fault... all that repitition....I was forced to game genie my way to Bowser.

I also blame Konami. They're not innocent. Hey, Contra, Why should I have to repeat you over and over again? Way too time consuming. Up Up down Down Left Right Left Right A B A B Select Start!

I know it's fun to blame Anet for everything. We must avoid being labelled as Care Bears. That's simply not cool at all. Fear the "C" word. However, the real culprits are the greedy, impatient and lazy. It really is that simple. That's your cause and effect. Not the game.

I'm with most in that I want Anet to take a more proactive approach to cleaning out the bot infestation. They should make their presence known. Take a day, sit in the known botting zones, and start picking them off one by one, like a sniper on a mountain side.

But the idea that it's caused by design flaws? No.

Now I'll go ahead and say I'm sorry for whatever tone this message provides.

Would no form of anti-cheat or anti-cheat actions at all what so ever be a design flaw?

One design flaw that I can think of off the top of my head that is ANets fault are same exact spawns/routes/boss locations every time you zone into an explorable area

To prevent Farm bots, you make it pointless, unnecessary or impossible.
Random areas make it impossible for some types of bots, but not all. Disabling market at all and making all players get all the stuff by themselves also does, but it's kind of boring, and not a good idea for multiplayer games. Well, no one complains when it is like that from the start, but people would suggest it anyways.
Having its own bots (like Magic World Online, YES there are games that have their own bots, XDD) make them pointless.
And things like getting more rewards from normal gameplay, or getting most stuff by playing normally, without having to grind for anything make it unnecessary.
Who would use bots or pay for gold if all items where available in collectors, and only in collectors, and all trophies where untradeable?

Good so far.

Random generation works if and only if it makes completion too slow/impossible. If I recall correctly, there was a Mephbot in D2, even though Durance 2 was generated randomly.

The problem with no economy is that ANet wants to sell games to farmers and power traders too. Unlocking item skins/pets via accomplishments would probably make 90% of us happier, but ANet would lose 10% of its revenue. That's a losing proposition for them.

Then people just grind by repeating the main content, and you're back where you started. The only prospective benefit is that noobs MIGHT have an easier time PuGging if the rewards for playing full campaigns with full human parties were good enough.

Those who already have money. Their existing cash loses value faster than the bot can replace it when bots are the norm. Inflation is bad.

I agree. (also deal with the bots in bergen international.)
Where do I sign up for that job?

NCsoft cant detect bots that what they proofed banning me while i was raptor farming.
Then they simple closed my thread and said its final.
So they just banning here and there in the hope they ban some of the bots and the innocent people have bad luck and loose evrything.

Why don't implement just a command \give xxx?

I never digged in the rare skins marked (other then sell them) but clearly it matter for most of player around.

You know what is also cosmetic? pretty much 95% of the title.

Let have every one start with 25 max title, after that make sure they can max the other one in 1 day because they are too much grind.

And still none of your reply even touched the Pvp bots.

Not if anet actually took step against that.

few example, people say that you can make them undetectable, with a lot of hard work from developer of those bots (and the API they use to make them work) maybe, but they are not now.

I know personally few people who probably would never even thought of starting to bot if anet said something about taking a hard stance on botting.

I created an account on this board just to add my sign here.
Bot are killing the game, both in pve and pvp.

Anet isn't saying anything except they keep banning accounts. But as some people said here, there are bots doing the same shit day after day in JQ, they get reported like a million time, but nothing happens.

I wonder what would happens if hundreds of players send an e-mail to Anet support. Something saying how bots are killing the game, and so if Anet can't promise this will never happens in GW2, we just won't buy the game.
I guess they don't really care about GW1, and they wont put a lot of money in it anymore. But GuildWars 2 is the n#1 important thing to them now.
Maybe this would wake them up about the bot problem, and maybe they'd reconsider the emergency of doing something about it both for GW1 and GW2.

Wow, still no response? Even after the update?

Well, we know one thing for sure, bots will be an integral part of the mATs this month (especially with the bot's skills getting a boost).

Good luck everyone. Looks like we're on our own with this.

Fixed it for ya

Im assuming that the pic was posted to show ANet that botting is out of control...my apologies if Im wrong.

No the entire thread was to tell anet how out of control the botting is.

If you guys see a bot, report it to [email protected], or use their "Ask a Question" support page. It's your best chance at getting them banned. It's even better if you record the botters on a video using programs like fraps because screenshots aren't revealing enough. Fraps is free and easy to use. So if you're truly determined to stop botters from botting, record them, open up your email, attach the video, and just hope that they terminate their accounts. I did it once already, and they banned over 100 accounts because I reported it to them.

You work for ANet, don't you?

Also you're missing the entire point of this thread.

I wonder why ppl bot.

Anyway how could we reccord them on a video in HA ? Those are probably the most annoying. Maybe in GvG too, dunno cuz I dont play that a lot.

Maybe reccording them would work in JQ... Anyway those JQ bot should have been banned weeks ago.

Diamonds and onyx gemstones are so low priced because of over farming caused by botting and assassins. Go wonder about something else.

So bots farm dungeons now? didint know about that..

Yeah because cof is serious business, guess you learn something new every day.

*shakes head in disgust

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...hread_feedback

no response yet there either.

EDIT:

interesting to say the least.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but yes....bots have been farming dungeons for a little over a year and have been widely available for about 7 months.

Bots HEAVILY farm dungeons. I just assumed everyone knew that.


Oh, and by the way guys, there are bots farming War Supplies. Hope you enjoy the WiK. I know the bots are.

anything is bot-able now I guess.

bots farming war supplies---geez someone went to a lot of trouble to get a character that far---guess if its profitable anything will be exploited somehow.

/signed... last night in HA at least 2 mes ruptbots in no more then 1 hour and sadly one of them was used by a nice ranked guild.

You can't be serious. Even if your suggestion actually worked, this goes far beyond just getting a few bots banned. People want the entire god damn game cleaned up and the company in charge actually god damn paying attention.

So still no response? Hmm I just read that there are even bots for the courier in WiK to get war supplies. Some people are just so damn sad.

The good news is, Gaile hasn't posted anywhere else on wiki either. Maybe she's actually busy!

(well, probably not.)

Most of the guys I know that are botting War Supplies are doing it on their main accounts. They aren't scared of getting banned anymore, because they know Anet doesn't care. And, really, they just repeatedly run Captain Falcon (or w/e) with a hero build, so it's pretty repetitive and it would be hard to catch.

Getting 350 War Supplies while afk over 12 hours seems like it would be a dead giveaway, but none of them have been banned yet. Hell, one guy even dared me to report him with screenshots of our conversations in-game. I did, and he's still playing.....so.....

She was responding to her talk page about once a day up until the bot topic was added. We haven't heard from her since. I have a feeling that's not a coincidence.

Or maybe she doesn't want to say anything until they have something to say (like some form of a solution), but that would take months....

guildwars2.com

lamexcuse.com

From what I hear, Harboe and some of the other botters already have plans for GW2. Considering the talent involved in botting GW, if they don't do something to prevent it, there will be bots all over GW2 w/in a week of release.

And, that's not even mentioning the fact that GW1 full HoM accounts will be sold for real life money. Making another game is not a solution. It's only another problem, unless this is fixed.

Guess i shouldn't bother faming war supplies then. After some time the price will fall ridiculously low, so i can just buy them.

I'm no psychic, but GW2 will probably be overrun by bots shortly after release. Does that mean we should consider GW3 a solution for that?

People will always be pve botting...

The only way to really stamp that out is by putting some sort of a time limit on how long you can be on at one time each day. w/o bots running 24/7 they wouldn't be as effective as real players. Of course, that's not going to happen. Are you willing to go that far?

Or like the method used to combat spam. Repeated keystrokes.. pop up, "type this text within ten seconds or be kicked offline for a day." Next time, a week. I would, I don't care...

But beyond that you can't really expect anet to stop them. I am a critic of anet usually, but this is a losing battle. You just have to let it go.

In pvp, there will always be exploits. It ranges from exploit-level builds to all out hacks.... you'll see it in any game. You gotta learn to take a loss. Or you gotta just plan on running into it and build for it.

There is a purity in competition, for sure, but if you are doing it on a computer, you gotta learn that some people will find a way that you can not beat them. It has nothing to do with them being better than you; there's always a loophole. Accept that. Gvg w/ guilds you know don't bot. Or just take the loss and move on. It's best to laugh "lol, nubs botting"

-CM

while i tend to agree with your entire point of view. i will say let us not forget the real reason for the explosion of bots in game.

I guess guildwars 2, shouldn't have items at all then, we should just all wear standard armor, and not have an inventory.

In an amusing side-note. It would seem that by failing to effectively deal with botters, NCSoft has inadvertently launched a denial-of-service attack on itself. I would assume the fact that all of my e-mails to support have been bouncing back to me are a result of people emailing in massive amounts of bot reports. Either that or NCSoft has finally thrown the 'gored engine' switch and packed it in.

Excactly why do you create these bots? What's the motivation?

I imagine profit is part of it.

These are actually methods that have been used before but the botters/macroers found ways around them. The having to type in a message one was actually the most effective one but it really annoyed the real regular players.

I've always suggested having to click on a box in the window and it randomly moving around the screen each time it opens. That way no bot program can be setup to click that certain spot in the screen to get their reward or answer a popup question click. They've never tried that though. This was a suggestion of how to stop leeching in FA and JQ as when the match is over everyone would have to go click a spot that popsup on their screen to get the faction. A bot or macroer wouldn't know where to go click because of the random placement on the screen. That's how those leechers get in the matches in the first place the damn "ENTER" button is ALWAYS in the SAME PLACE on our screens.

Other things to use are 'text' messages that tell the player where to go to get their reward and then plant a ton of fake chests in the zones so the bot program will waste time trying to open the right one. lol This has always been my favorite one.