It's not about whether we choose to side with the White Mantle or Shining Blade, or which one is right or wrong, good or evil. I don't care about that. It's about the White Mantle being believable in this scenario as actual people and not brainless zombies.
When people do evil, they do it for a reason. They don't just do it because they are evil. In GI Joe, Captain Planet, "insert bad morning cartoon here" the bad guys do that, but that's because the writers who produce those are bad and the audience doesn't care, they just wanna see the hero blow stuff up.
When Shiro killed the emperor, he did it because he was manipulated into thinking he would be betrayed, not because he wanted to kill the emperor. When the White Mantle beat up farmers and steal their trade goods, or stop the player character when he tries to travel through Kryta, they do it, err, because Lynsey wants us to see them as bad guys who need an ass kicking?
You don't have to write zombies to write an enemy. The White Mantle risk their lives to do what they do, they aren't all just going to do that because they are evil.
White Mantle & Peacekeepers - Too Evil
dancing gnome
Zahr Dalsk
ArenaNet do not employ any real writers; news at eleven.
Ariovist Lynxkind
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It's not about whether we choose to side with the White Mantle or Shining Blade, or which one is right or wrong, good or evil. I don't care about that. It's about the White Mantle being believable in this scenario as actual people and not brainless zombies.
When people do evil, they do it for a reason. They don't just do it because they are evil. In GI Joe, Captain Planet, "insert bad morning cartoon here" the bad guys do that, but that's because the writers who produce those are bad and the audience doesn't care, they just wanna see the hero blow stuff up. When Shiro killed the emperor, he did it because he was manipulated into thinking he would be betrayed, not because he wanted to kill the emperor. When the White Mantle beat up farmers and steal their trade goods, or stop the player character when he tries to travel through Kryta, they do it, err, because Lynsey wants us to see them as bad guys who need an ass kicking? You don't have to write zombies to write an enemy. The White Mantle risk their lives to do what they do, they aren't all just going to do that because they are evil. |
Also they aren't exactly being written as zombies. The way I see it written is that they panicked and decided to hire people of questionable repute to help enforce their law. There are other ways they could have done it, but they chose this road to take and as such it has reflected on them.
Gli
Nerel
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Yes because were supposed to find the members of a group that lead innocents to slaughter under false pretenses likable.
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The Chosen were SACRIFICED by the Shining Blade, fed alive to horrid giant spiders all while that dark heathen 'priestess' Evennia watched on from her safe vantage point, reveling in the carnage her followers had perpetrated in the name of their dark and blood thirsty gods.
Obey. End this threat to Kryta...
Kook~NBK~
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I agree totally, like any sane person I was sickened to see those traitorous scum murder innocent White Mantle soldiers, kidnap the Chosen they were escorting and lead them deep into their jungle abode only to sacrifice them to their dark god Melandru (Goddess of savage beasts!) by feeding those poor souls to a pack of blood thirsty spiders...
The Chosen were SACRIFICED by the Shining Blade, fed alive to horrid giant spiders all while that dark heathen 'priestess' Evennia watched on from her safe vantage point, reveling in the carnage her followers had perpetrated in the name of their dark and blood thirsty gods. Obey. End this threat to Kryta... |
Now, who was it that DID sacrifice Chosen to their "gods" and tried to kill us to keep their secret? Can you say "White Mantle?"
QueenofDeath
I wish they had karma points here and plus minus hands so I could just sit here and give the OP -1 karma over an over an over an over an over an over an over an over an over an over an...........
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What nonsense! IF the Shining Blade (who out-numbered my small party 2 to 1) were "sacrificing" the Chosen to the spiders, they certianly would NOT have asked us to help rescue them. Instead, they would have done their level best to destroy us and keep their ritual secret. They certianly would NOT have let us go!
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You and your seemingly tough band stumble upon their dark ritual and Evennia, ever the politician, plays innocent, blames the White Mantle and asks for your help... yeah, that's believable... The Shining Blade who have been at home in the jungle for years suddenly get outsmarted by some spiders... uh huh, Evennia the healing monk sits atop her perch overlooking the carnage spamming Heal Area healing herself constantly as her poor victims are eaten alive... uh huh, yeah, she's so innocent...
And yet she still managed to recruit you to face her foes, recruit you to aid the Vizier in obtaining his staff, opening the door of Komalie...
The truth is known, they see all, we Obey.
Ariovist Lynxkind
Okay, this is getting annoying. There is a lot of valid points and interesting discussion here, and it is being interrupted by idiotic RP which either belongs in another thread or in another section of the forum. please, guys, can you take it elsewhere, perhaps to the Obey vs Dismantle thread?
Nerel
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Okay, this is getting annoying. There is a lot of valid points and interesting discussion here, and it is being interrupted by idiotic RP which either belongs in another thread or in another section of the forum. please, guys, can you take it elsewhere, perhaps to the Obey vs Dismantle thread?
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Seriously, other than having a little fun with the Obey/Dismantle thing, this thread and any like it are pointless, the reasons for the one sided nature of the official propaganda are obvious to anyone with half a brain, there is nothing to discuss.
Amy Awien
The future history has already been written and this thread was not about the question if it is the White Mantle or the Shining Blade who are the evil party, but about the the White Mantle are portrayed as the all too easily recognizable and stereotypically evil goons.
sindex
It would be hilarious if this “War” is just the set up for the eventual fall of southern Kryta. Just picturing Livia coming to Lion’s Arch amiss the heated conflict between the two factions, and telling her allies that she has found the Scepter of Orr. She then proceeds to produce the scepter, and presses a little red knob at the top of the it; which in turn releases a powerful energy surge. This is where our friendly neighborhood elder dragon Zhaitan comes out of hibernation. As the enormous tidal wave approaches LA, one of the White Mantle turns to state the obvious: “See and they use too call us the bad guys.”
Yeah, but I can see where the OP is going with this. It does seem the White Mantle are becoming a bunch of Snidely Whiplash cliché’s.
Yeah, but I can see where the OP is going with this. It does seem the White Mantle are becoming a bunch of Snidely Whiplash cliché’s.
MithranArkanere
They ARE evil. We are good. We kill evil. They die. End of story.
Why is there so many people trying to justify or explain their position?
Just because they wear in white and gold?
They are totalitarian bastards that took advantage of the charr crisis to take hold of the power, and once they got it, they did anything necessary to keep it.
Evil.
E-vil.
This is an evil generation
I see with my eyes
I seen'em walking around in their suits
And honey I seen the ties
Evil girls biting good girls
Turning good girls into evil girls
Evil boys eating evil hamburgers
Evil boys eating evil fries
This is an evil generation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
As far as the eye can see
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Tune Into this radio station
Rock and Roll Evacuation
In a fit of emergency
We are just hungry little creatures
Feeding upon lies
I seen'em lining us up on the wall
And trading us for pies
Seen a man on the television telling me to listen to the radio
Hear the man on the radio, telling me no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
This is a bad, bad situation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
It's not looking too good to me
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Evil Spreads across the nation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
Apocalyptic insurgency
You kill the body child, but the head is still gonna live
You can give all your money now, until there's nothing left to give
You can play your electric guitar but it ain't gonna change the world
You can get all emotional on me, cry like a little girl
Cry
We are disposable creations, they're throwing us away
Ignoring everything that we do and everything that we say
Mr. President make a little money, sending people you don't know to iraq
Mr. President I don't like you, you don't know how to rock
This is an evil generation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
As far as the eye can see
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Tune Into this radio station
Rock and Roll Evacuation
In a fit of emergency
Got it?
Evil!
There's nothing good in evil people, because you know, they are EVIL!
EVIL!
How hard can it be to understand?
They are evil and evil is to be destroyed.
No gray zones. Now get out there and kill as many as you can.
Geez.
Why is there so many people trying to justify or explain their position?
Just because they wear in white and gold?
They are totalitarian bastards that took advantage of the charr crisis to take hold of the power, and once they got it, they did anything necessary to keep it.
Evil.
E-vil.
This is an evil generation
I see with my eyes
I seen'em walking around in their suits
And honey I seen the ties
Evil girls biting good girls
Turning good girls into evil girls
Evil boys eating evil hamburgers
Evil boys eating evil fries
This is an evil generation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
As far as the eye can see
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Tune Into this radio station
Rock and Roll Evacuation
In a fit of emergency
We are just hungry little creatures
Feeding upon lies
I seen'em lining us up on the wall
And trading us for pies
Seen a man on the television telling me to listen to the radio
Hear the man on the radio, telling me no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
This is a bad, bad situation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
It's not looking too good to me
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Evil Spreads across the nation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
Apocalyptic insurgency
You kill the body child, but the head is still gonna live
You can give all your money now, until there's nothing left to give
You can play your electric guitar but it ain't gonna change the world
You can get all emotional on me, cry like a little girl
Cry
We are disposable creations, they're throwing us away
Ignoring everything that we do and everything that we say
Mr. President make a little money, sending people you don't know to iraq
Mr. President I don't like you, you don't know how to rock
This is an evil generation
Rock and Roll Evacuation
As far as the eye can see
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Tune Into this radio station
Rock and Roll Evacuation
In a fit of emergency
Got it?
Evil!
There's nothing good in evil people, because you know, they are EVIL!
EVIL!
How hard can it be to understand?
They are evil and evil is to be destroyed.
No gray zones. Now get out there and kill as many as you can.
Geez.
Ariovist Lynxkind
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They ARE evil. We are good. We kill evil. They die. End of story.
Why is there so many people trying to justify or explain their position? Just because they wear in white and gold? They are totalitarian bastards that took advantage of the charr crisis to take hold of the power, and once they got it, they did anything necessary to keep it. Evil. E-vil. *snip out music lyrics* Got it? Evil! There's nothing good in evil people, because you know, they are EVIL! EVIL! How hard can it be to understand? They are evil and evil is to be destroyed. No gray zones. Now get out there and kill as many as you can. Geez. |
I will, however, definitely give you the bolded text. They are trying to hold onto power that they didnt exactly deserve (it was the Mursaat that pushed back the Charr, and now they are almost gone), but does that necessarily make them evil? Not exactly. It is the methods that they employ that makes them that way.
CronkTheImpaler
Evil is Evil. There are no shades of gray in the black tar-like pit of an evil soul.
Its not perception, perception IS reality.
There is good and there is evil, this is not a hard concept to grasp. Whether or not the shining blade or White Mantle are good or evil is irrelevent. This is a video game folks. If anyone begins to blur the lines of reality just take a deep breath step back ...... and go play D&D.
In the end all games, ALL OF THEM have the good guys and the bad guys. Right down to pac-man. Anyone who flirts with the paranormal (unseen ones) in this case are the evil ones. They are an afront to the 5 gods. I guess thats the way i always understood it. Even in society when someone strays way outside the norms and begins to worship false gods or inanimate objects the slide into the murky depths of evil.
Think real hard and youll see the similarities and distinctions between the religeous lore of GW and the worlds religeons.(good Evil) Seriously "its really easy if you try" to quote John Lenin.
just have fun runnin around GW killin new people!!!! come on folks new stuff to slaughter with discord and sabway lmao.
Cronk
PS milthran what song is that??? AND if you wrote it PM me. ASAP
Its not perception, perception IS reality.
There is good and there is evil, this is not a hard concept to grasp. Whether or not the shining blade or White Mantle are good or evil is irrelevent. This is a video game folks. If anyone begins to blur the lines of reality just take a deep breath step back ...... and go play D&D.
In the end all games, ALL OF THEM have the good guys and the bad guys. Right down to pac-man. Anyone who flirts with the paranormal (unseen ones) in this case are the evil ones. They are an afront to the 5 gods. I guess thats the way i always understood it. Even in society when someone strays way outside the norms and begins to worship false gods or inanimate objects the slide into the murky depths of evil.
Think real hard and youll see the similarities and distinctions between the religeous lore of GW and the worlds religeons.(good Evil) Seriously "its really easy if you try" to quote John Lenin.
just have fun runnin around GW killin new people!!!! come on folks new stuff to slaughter with discord and sabway lmao.
Cronk
PS milthran what song is that??? AND if you wrote it PM me. ASAP
$neekie
I dont get why we cant side with the White Mantel, we can buy and wear the costume, but cant side with them(correct me if im wrong). Would be great if you have the costume they wont attack, i would actually (maybe) buy it, even wenn its ugly.
I keep shouting OBEY! but they still try to rob me each time, really thinking about defecting.
Mzzls
Ps. I like the new story line, it renewed my interest in GW, dont get the "takes to long complains". GW2 isnt here yet anyways.
I keep shouting OBEY! but they still try to rob me each time, really thinking about defecting.
Mzzls
Ps. I like the new story line, it renewed my interest in GW, dont get the "takes to long complains". GW2 isnt here yet anyways.
Ariovist Lynxkind
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I dont get why we cant side with the White Mantel, we can buy and wear the costume, but cant side with them(correct me if im wrong). Would be great if you have the costume they wont attack, i would actually (maybe) buy it, even wenn its ugly.
I keep shouting OBEY! but they still try to rob me each time, really thinking about defecting. Mzzls Ps. I like the new story line, it renewed my interest in GW, dont get the "takes to long complains". GW2 isnt here yet anyways. |
Mintha Syl
Oh my, are we really discussing good and evil?? I really thought those stereotypes were only religious things (and part of some flat stories/games) and the real spectre of colours in human behaviour was inherent in GW...
So sad....
So sad....
BoredJoe
They should really spice it up by introducing some alien abduction stories.
MithranArkanere
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I disagree with the 'no gray zones' comment because to me good and evil comes down to a personal standpoint, meaning there is a lot of gray area cause there is 6 billion variations on black and white. Not to mention, the White Mantle soldier who is told only 'Those are the guys who killed your leaders' isnt exactly evil, they are making their decisions based on the information they are given.
I will, however, definitely give you the bolded text. They are trying to hold onto power that they didnt exactly deserve (it was the Mursaat that pushed back the Charr, and now they are almost gone), but does that necessarily make them evil? Not exactly. It is the methods that they employ that makes them that way. |
The White Mantle Puppeteers where the Mursaat, and they used people as batteries, but unlike the matrix, they consumed them in the process.
Using souls as energy sources is as evil as evil can be. Remember who else did that? Yup, Abaddon with his Titans.
With the mursaat out of the picture, those that where in higher positions, stepped into power, and they started being much less subtle with their actions, as you can see any time you see a Peacekeeper.
"Shut up and do as you are told" is evil.
Jeydra
/sign
Guild Wars characters are fantastically one-dimensional. All Norn are the same, all Asura the same, etc etc etc. That's Guild Wars. I doubt anyone plays Guild Wars for the storyline.
Guild Wars characters are fantastically one-dimensional. All Norn are the same, all Asura the same, etc etc etc. That's Guild Wars. I doubt anyone plays Guild Wars for the storyline.
Sword Hammer Axe
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Am I the only one sick of reading about the amazingly one sided story telly how evil the White Mantle and their Peacekeepers are?
It seems in every single story written by Murro on the website, the "perfect" scenario to present the White Mantle as obvious bad guys is presented in each blog (I mean "perfect" in a bad way, you know in the fake made up too suspiciously perfect to be true). Why does it have to be so bluntly over the top bashed into our heads that these guys are less than good? Having a bit of a grey area or even just less than stupidly obvious writing is a good thing. It might just be because I'm a journalist, but the feel I get from the War in Kryta story is a very strong propaganda campaign against the White Mantle. Instead of creating characters with interesting moral dilemmas or actual motivation, these guys feel like bad guys from a children's television show from the 80s who do bad for the sake of doing bad. Not every White Mantle member is faceless soldier number xxxx. They all have families somewhere, they all have reasons for doing what they do. They don't just beat, murder and steal from random farmers every chance they get. Even the most corrupt armies have a few good eggs and the bad eggs usually have a reason for being bad, good story telling shows us that. I understand they want us to side with the Shining Blade in the end, but that doesn't mean they have to dumb down the story so much that it's one sidedness begins to push people towards the White Mantle out of spite. |
1) Of course they are partial, I mean everyone's supposed to side with the Blades. You say so yourself, and seeing as they have a SB UNIFORM, but the mantle costume is a DISGUISE, means that it's not a uniform for YOUR faction, but for the opposite faction to use as a spy tool.
2) Have you ever seen REAL LIFE propaganda? The Nazis for example: They used tons of radio broadcasts, posters and articles actually stating what should be done to jews and other non Germans in Germany. They didn't lie nor try to hide their true intentions with clever words. It was often directly on the paper.
Another Example: Mao Tse Tsung's China, sending around the "ignorance is a workers peace" motto through China, and at the same time stating openly "All people who show signs of intelligence must be eliminated."
Isn't that exactly what the Mantle does? Of course their promises sound stupid, we disagree with them. However should you agree with the Mantle, your political reasoning is just the same as theirs. If you agree with them you won't see "obediance is peaceful" as stupid, but as logical. It's actually the same with the debate about abortion in USA: If you are against it, the people who scream out that it's "unchristian" and it's "killing a future human being," will sound reasonable and right, whereas those who are pro-abortion will find those comments stupid.
To sum it up: The only reason you find the Mantle being portrayed as the obvious bad guys, is because YOU side with the Mantle and not because they actually intend to do that. If you were a fascist, then who would you side with?
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Oh right forgot to mention this 0.0 You said that everyone's presented as stupid, right? Well in all the meetings with Bauer, the Peacekeepers actually think rationally, like that Mergoyle thing.
Also the reason all the Mantle's are portrayed as extremely evil is probably this: QUIZ TIME: Who rises in ranks: A) The people who actually like the cause and will fight for it. Or B) The people who don't dare oppose them. It's probably A, isn't it? Seeing as B would most likely want to lay low
Btw: If it sounds like I'm flaming: I probably am a bit... sorry 0.0 I'm just saying this to prove a point, in Anet's favor XD
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AtomicMew
/sign
A.net needs to take a storytelling class from Bioware. The story in GW is complete crap.
A.net needs to take a storytelling class from Bioware. The story in GW is complete crap.
A11Eur0
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Most journalism has a slant. There are overtones of coercion from the White Mantle themselves over and over again. Like the day they talked to the Ascalon settlers. I've finished Prophecies more then once and the White Mantle are not nice.
Also it's their peace keepers that are doing most of the dirty work. Now I suppose you can argue that they, White Mantle, are brain washed and deluded by the Mursaat that I could go along with to an extent. But only if some finally saw how wrong it is to kill the chosen. I'd love to see a White Mantle betray to the Shining Blade. Now that would be a story  |
And to the OP: it's a fantasy game with a fantasy story. Yeah, the White Mantle are evil. Just like the Nazis were evil. Just because the footsoldiers may or may not have believed 100% in the ideals of the leadership, doesn't make them any less guilty. They could have laid down their arms or swapped sides...instead they decided to continue on and kill for an evil cause.
It's also a nice little parable of the Catholic Crusades.
Brewmaster
You don't win "wars" by presenting the enemies as possible sentient and caring people. Normal folks don't want to kill someone capable of compassion and love and all that good stuff, but it's easy to disassociate with with a mindless and destruction force of evil.
Zahr Dalsk
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You don't win "wars" by presenting the enemies as possible sentient and caring people.
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They're terrorists who're trying to dismantle an organization that preserves law and order. Not to mention it's the Shining Blade's fault the whole deal with the Lich and the Titans started.
I don't subscribe to the belief that players should side with the Shining Blade. They're too much akin to the Ebon Vanguard - and we know what a bunch of genocidal dicks they were.
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Amy Awien
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They're terrorists who're trying to dismantle an organization that preserves law and order.
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AtomicMew
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Saddam Hussein preserved law and order, as did the soviets, and the nazi's. Some who preserve law and order are evil.
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Iuris
And worst of all, sometimes, evil law and order beats good chaos. Take a look at how the order we live in now actually came to be... and hopefully get less depressed with time.
Anyway, I'd love a deeper storyline in my games, but honestly, the game has to cater to people much less involved than we are. Heh, only two days ago, I found myself unable to explain the War in kryta to a friend, since she was confused about who the shining blade were, anyway. And that's a player of several years we're talking here...
Anyway, I'd love a deeper storyline in my games, but honestly, the game has to cater to people much less involved than we are. Heh, only two days ago, I found myself unable to explain the War in kryta to a friend, since she was confused about who the shining blade were, anyway. And that's a player of several years we're talking here...
Amy Awien
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Chuba
Couldn't find any info on this from the wikis, but just yesterday as I was walking my way to Ascalon city from LA, Alari Doubleblade joined as an ally on my trip through the Northern Kryta province? Is this common especially as her profession was a lvl 20 Assassin, instead of the lvl 15 Ranger depicted on her wiki page?
Most likely has something to do with the War going on, but didn't have the time to see whether she'd have any dialogue though...
Most likely has something to do with the War going on, but didn't have the time to see whether she'd have any dialogue though...
Sword Hammer Axe
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Couldn't find any info on this from the wikis, but just yesterday as I was walking my way to Ascalon city from LA, Alari Doubleblade joined as an ally on my trip through the Northern Kryta province? Is this common especially as her profession was a lvl 20 Assassin, instead of the lvl 15 Ranger depicted on her wiki page?
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Didn't know she was a sin though.If you wanna know more about it, check out the official War in Kryta post here on Guru.
Morphy
All hail the Mursaat!
FoxBat
Something is really broken about her too, she wouldn't even attack for me.
MithranArkanere
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And worst of all, sometimes, evil law and order beats good chaos. Take a look at how the order we live in now actually came to be... and hopefully get less depressed with time.
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Remember the two aligment meters in D&D? Evil/good and legal/chaotic.
"Chaotic" it's not the correct term in there. It should be "Legal/extralegal".
Chaotic is the guy that one moment is saving babies from orcs and the next moment is eating them. Both babies and orcs, using his own head as a plate.
Chaos is neither good or evil, it's just random.
And if you have to compare evil laws an good deeds outside the law, then I'm afraid good deeds are better, specially since evil laws are usually too arbitrary, senseless and directed to oppress, control, steal, and all other sorts of evil reasons.
Because, well.. good deeds are GOOD.
Zahr Dalsk
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IlikeGW
People go on about the shades of grey, the spectrum, but someone has to sit at the extreme bottom of the scale and maybe someone else sits at the top. And there you have an epic tale. The tale of the White Mantle bureaucrat is more compelling you think? Probably not. And then surely people would also be saying "What's all this bullshit about a 10 part fetch quest for the inquisitor's breakfast? We want to fight the war!"
Skyy High
First of all, Murro's reports really were much more "balanced" before he got held up for a weekend for not having the proper papers. Since then, he's definitely been reporting more of the injustices that he's seeing, which I think fits with his character, as well as the fact that the conflict is supposed to be spiraling out of control in the past few weeks. Not every member of the Mantle is bad, perhaps, but the good ones seem to either be leaving the Mantle (see the scene with the new recruits at the Blade Camp), or completely brainwashed/scared into obedience. They are a cult, cults do that. Furthermore, the worst atrocities seem to be committed by high ranking Mantle officials, or their bandit hirelings, who obviously don't give a damn about raiding and pillaging commoners.
Lastly, it's hardly the poorest display of good vs. evil conflict that we've ever seen in a video game. The Mantle did legitimately come to Kryta's aid in its time of need, and the royal line did abandon the people of Kryta. But, when all is said and done, we need to be firmly on the side of the SB because that's what the game demands of us. They're going to win, we're going to help them, so writing the conflict to be too multidimensional will just upset people who agree with what the WM are doing.
Yeah, we shoulda just let 'em keep sacrificing civilians, that would have been fine.
Lastly, it's hardly the poorest display of good vs. evil conflict that we've ever seen in a video game. The Mantle did legitimately come to Kryta's aid in its time of need, and the royal line did abandon the people of Kryta. But, when all is said and done, we need to be firmly on the side of the SB because that's what the game demands of us. They're going to win, we're going to help them, so writing the conflict to be too multidimensional will just upset people who agree with what the WM are doing.
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