Lion's Arch and The White Mantle Banner
jazilla
Why is the White Mantle banner still flying high in LA if Princess Salma took back the throne?
A11Eur0
Because not everyone is at the point of the story required for Salma to be back on the throne. Give it time, they'll force it eventually.
Barrage
Can this stuff actually matter yet? or at least be interesting?
Skyy High
It's interesting to people who care about the lore. To the people who don't, I don't think there's any way they could make something that's been all dialog interesting for you...
Trader of Secrets
think of LA as a politically neutral zone with two branches of power. salma is just a figure head at the moment, mantle got control.
Amy Awien
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Because not everyone is at the point of the story required for Salma to be back on the throne. Give it time, they'll force it eventually.
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Maybe they can update the client to use different textures for characters thad did see Salma come into power.
FoxBat
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
Maybe they can update the client to use different textures for characters thad did see Salma come into power.
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The exterior of LA needs to remain in prophecies continuity. They could still retcon and remove the mantle banners though as there was never any reason for them to exist in a city that doesn't allow mantle soldiers, but by the same token they can't go put up shining blade emblems.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by jazilla
Why is the White Mantle banner still flying high in LA if Princess Salma took back the throne?
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Oleg
And why is Rurik still alive and talking? He has died twice already.
How odd would it be for a new player to hit LA and see the White Mantle had been kicked out? Then when they got to THK there was no attack?
How odd would it be for a new player to hit LA and see the White Mantle had been kicked out? Then when they got to THK there was no attack?
BrettM
Go inside the keep and look outward from the ramparts. You can clearly see from there that Mantle banners (such as those above Merchant's Row) have been replaced by the royal banner. That's about the best they can do, given that towns are not instanced and have to serve first-time players as well as veterans.
Towns can, of course, be instanced as explorables during quests -- such as Sunspears in Kryta, which takes place in LA -- and I expect this will happen at some point, when we need to defend against a Mantle attack.
Towns can, of course, be instanced as explorables during quests -- such as Sunspears in Kryta, which takes place in LA -- and I expect this will happen at some point, when we need to defend against a Mantle attack.
Eragon Zarroc
You would think that the update yesterday would have at least changed the banner >_<
jazilla
The problem with the banners not being updated is that it says they have been on the WiK page! http://www.guildwars.com/warinkryta/ . It actually says that they have been torn down!
BrettM
Sigh. Let me try again: *** the banners have been changed ***, but only in the explorable instance of LA. For obvious reasons they can't change the banners in the regular outpost version of LA, because towns must serve players still going through the original storyline. Thus, all WiK changes will take place only in explorables.
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by BrettM
Go inside the keep and look outward from the ramparts. You can clearly see from there that Mantle banners (such as those above Merchant's Row) have been replaced by the royal banner. That's about the best they can do, given that towns are not instanced and have to serve first-time players as well as veterans.
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jazilla
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
This is all that needs to be said. The fact that this storyline is only open to people who have completed the campaign and have gone through the dialogues shows that they're the only ones who are "allowed" to be privy to the new areas. Letting level 12's going through the proph storyline for the first time see the events that are happening 10 years after the point of the story they're at just makes no sense. But having shining blade tapestries show in the instanced town for those who have, and white mantle tapestries for everyone else...that's probably a hefty bit of code that can result in some serious errors and problems for everyone. Suspend disbelief and just be glad they're doing SOMETHING.
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MithranArkanere
While stances change more a actively with time. Towns and outposts change only during events.
There are no longer Oozes in towns, but people still hear about quakes and such before they travel to The North.
You must remember that a character that comes from Ascalon doesn't know about the White Mantle and the Mursaat and all that stuff.
There are no longer Oozes in towns, but people still hear about quakes and such before they travel to The North.
You must remember that a character that comes from Ascalon doesn't know about the White Mantle and the Mursaat and all that stuff.
BrettM
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Originally Posted by jazilla
you guys are missing the point though. the WiK webpage says that they have been torn down lol.
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So, what point are we missing, exactly? That it is somehow funny that the banners have been torn down? Or that it is funny that characters who have not completed the prerequisite storyline cannot see things that have not yet happened for them? Please, enlighten us.
jazilla
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Originally Posted by BrettM
And the WiK page is correct. The Mantle banners have been torn down and replaced by royal (not SB) banners. Enter the keep and you can see that this is true.
So, what point are we missing, exactly? That it is somehow funny that the banners have been torn down? Or that it is funny that characters who have not completed the prerequisite storyline cannot see things that have not yet happened for them? Please, enlighten us. |
Side note: If Princess Salma has indeed returned to Lion's Arch, then she is there regardless of where you are in the campaign. Lion's Arch is controlled ny the Shining Blade and the Lion's Arch guards. The White Mantle banners should be changed to reflect what is put on the WiK page. Otherwise, it is incorrect and so is the game.
A11Eur0
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Not in the outpost that you warp too. You are correct. The White Mantle Banners that fly over the Merchant areas and the door to where Princess Salma is are STILL White Mantle banners. Those are the banners that I am speaking of. The ones that are in Lion's Arch proper.
Side note: If Princess Salma has indeed returned to Lion's Arch, then she is there regardless of where you are in the campaign. Lion's Arch is controlled ny the Shining Blade and the Lion's Arch guards. The White Mantle banners should be changed to reflect what is put on the WiK page. Otherwise, it is incorrect and so is the game. |
Salma is NOT there for people who haven't completed WiK dialogues. That's why you need to talk to the Keep guard to see Salma in LA. If they placed Salma in LA for EVERYONE to see at ANY time, yeah, it would mean they need to change the banners.
Get it?
Yeah, the WiK page says Salma returned and tore down the WM banners. But that's ONLY for characters who are following the WiK. So instances are all that will be changed. Period. End of story. The end.
Mintha Syl
Salma is there in the future. Changing the banners and all that stuff in the normal town would be like putting a post-searing ascalon in the pre-searing. Would it make any sense?
jazilla
@A11Eur0: quote from WiK: "Everywhere in Lion’s Arch, commoners rejoiced at Princess Salma’s arrival. White Mantle symbols and flags were torn from the city’s walls, and a sense of hope shone upon the capital like warm sunshine bursting through storm clouds." I see what you are saying about all that stuff, but then shouldn't my character who is following all this stuff NOT see the WM banners still up if they are in fact torn down? All I am saying is that it ruins the immersion. The website is saying that they are, in fact, torn down! All I am saying is that, for my character that has followed all of this stuff; They are NOT torn down. I see a problem with that. It ruins immersion in my opinion.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by jazilla
@A11Eur0: quote from WiK: "Everywhere in Lion’s Arch, commoners rejoiced at Princess Salma’s arrival. White Mantle symbols and flags were torn from the city’s walls, and a sense of hope shone upon the capital like warm sunshine bursting through storm clouds." I see what you are saying about all that stuff, but then shouldn't my character who is following all this stuff NOT see the WM banners still up if they are in fact torn down? All I am saying is that it ruins the immersion. The website is saying that they are, in fact, torn down! All I am saying is that, for my character that has followed all of this stuff; They are NOT torn down. I see a problem with that. It ruins immersion in my opinion.
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Aleta
On my characters that haven't finished Prophecies I understand why they see White Mantle banners as it only makes sense. But what I'm confused about is my characters that have finished Prophecises still see White Mantle Banners. On my ranger I've run into the Peace keepers outside Bettletun and Bergen Hot Springs. I've take her to the camp in the Talmark Wilderness but still I only see White Mantle Banners. I'm not sure where or how the Gwen/Thackery altercation is.
Other then that well I know someday I'll see the right banners lol
Other then that well I know someday I'll see the right banners lol
Arduin
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Originally Posted by Aleta
On my characters that haven't finished Prophecies I understand why they see White Mantle banners as it only makes sense. But what I'm confused about is my characters that have finished Prophecises still see White Mantle Banners. On my ranger I've run into the Peace keepers outside Bettletun and Bergen Hot Springs. I've take her to the camp in the Talmark Wilderness but still I only see White Mantle Banners. I'm not sure where or how the Gwen/Thackery altercation is.
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Aleta
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It's because the game provides you with your own instance when in an explorable. That's why you can see Peacekeepers and fight them. But you are sharing LA and any other town with more people, and thus the town needs to stay at a state prior to anyone completing Proph or EotN.
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I guess I misunderstood the prior posts. It's Monday sigh lol
Well consolation is those peacekeepers and their goons drop good loot
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by jazilla
@A11Eur0: quote from WiK: "Everywhere in Lion’s Arch, commoners rejoiced at Princess Salma’s arrival. White Mantle symbols and flags were torn from the city’s walls, and a sense of hope shone upon the capital like warm sunshine bursting through storm clouds." I see what you are saying about all that stuff, but then shouldn't my character who is following all this stuff NOT see the WM banners still up if they are in fact torn down? All I am saying is that it ruins the immersion. The website is saying that they are, in fact, torn down! All I am saying is that, for my character that has followed all of this stuff; They are NOT torn down. I see a problem with that. It ruins immersion in my opinion.
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trankle
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Originally Posted by jazilla
I see a problem with that. It ruins immersion in my opinion.
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But then all of that immersion was completely ruined when some flags showed the wrong logo! Way to go Anet!
jazilla
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Are you dense? Seriously?
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A11Eur0
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Dense? No. Serious? Yes. I have a compromise for you dude, since you are all fired up about this. Take it off the WiK page that all the banners got torn down. Problem solved and you can keep your forumz rage down to a minimum. It was an opinion I had man. Just saying they should fix what they posted. Some of us like our lore. You can think what you like, but not at the cost of being rude.
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Call my crazy but wouldn't it be rather simple for the client to check how far your character is and depending on quest completion load one texture or the other? Unless the basics of if/then statements elude Anet programmers. Honestly though, attention to details like this are easy to overlook and if they started swapping textures now then players might expect it for other parts of the game. imo slippery slope, lore inaccuracies, zz, no care.
A11Eur0
name me one town/city/outpost that shows different textures for different people who have done different things. Just one. I'll wait.
Arduin
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
name me one town/city/outpost that shows different textures for different people who have done different things. Just one. I'll wait.
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BrettM
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
name me one town/city/outpost that shows different textures for different people who have done different things. Just one. I'll wait.
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Note: I am NOT supporting the idea that the banners need to be changed in the outpost version of LA. I'm fond of lore myself, but I have no problem dealing with the setup as it is currently, where WiK stuff takes place in explorable instances only. I recognize the situation as being a necessary compromise. Obviously the Mantle banners ARE down while a character is actually participating in WiK material, so it makes no sense at all to suggest that references to WiK content be removed from the WiK web page.
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Originally Posted by Arduin
With all the people running different versions of the outpost still being able to see each other in that outpost, I might add.
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
name me one town/city/outpost that shows different textures for different people who have done different things. Just one. I'll wait.
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