daggers vs scythes

We all know scythes are the hardest hitting weapon in game but in Hm they hit for a lot less than they do in Nm due to monsters higher armor.Also scythe atacks tend not to add a lot of armor ignoring numbers .Daggers on the other are the lowest hitting weapon but they atack very fast,in addition dagger atacks have a lot of +dmg which is armor ignoring and on a double strike that +dmg is realy devastating.Add SoH to that and with the speed of daggers u get to do great dps.But most of the time in normal areas targets seem to go down so fast you can't even finish your combo.SO ,what weapon do you prefer,which one do you find better for the kill shit fast role (in pve of course)?

Both have pro`s and cons.
Daggers can do as op said chance of double strike.
Daggers have faster attack speed but only hit 1 foe
scythes have slower attack speed but scythe sins use critical agility to compensate.
scythes hit upto 3 foes when close together - great for zeleous scythe sin users.
Reason i like scythe over daggers on a sin is a great point said about dagger builds - they can die before end of a chain but also if foe blocks etc then chains killed and you go for a short spell from killing machine to idiot with daggers.Scythe sins done have attack chains so a foe blocks we can still do a skill/combo.

If sins didnt have dagger chains id hate to think how much a killing machine they would be and the amount of complaints sins are OP etc lol.

Daggers are less boring

daggers are much more fun ;-)

Mostly, it's just the latest "leet" thing. A little while ago it was spears - everyone had to carry a spear to be leet. Now it's Sins and Scythes.

Me, I`m more of a traditionalist. If I want to use a scythe, I'll play my Dervish.

P.s - I play regularly with a Guildie who uses a Scythe on his Assassin. When we are playing Sin together, I don`t notice any particular advantage he has, except that with his build, he can survive better and with mine, I actually kill stuff.

well my question was which is the most effective of the two.Btw i'm still trying to decide between sin and derv,and for the record i won't wield a scythe on my sin,just like Quaker said ,if i want to use a scythe i'll play dervish.

The thing about scythes is, Warriors and Assassins are better at it than Dervishes.

In hard mode: An assassin wielding a scythe does around 110 DPS. A warrior wielding a scythe does around 115 DPS. A dervish wielding a scythe does around 90 DPS.

In normal mode: An assassin wielding a scythe does around 140 DPS. A warrior wielding a scythe does around 130 DPS. A dervish wielding a scythe does around 110 DPS.

For daggers: An assassin is the best. 120 DPS in normal mode, 110 DPS in hard mode.

As you can see, the difference between normal mode and hard mode is pretty large for scythe, but pretty small for daggers. However, the damage overall is pretty much the same. Then what do you use to compare effectiveness?

The answer is physical buffs. Assassins pump out way more attacks per second than scythes, because of super fast activation times, dual attacks, and a naturally higher attack rate. That means that things like Strength of Honor, Ebon Battle Standard, and Great Dwarf Weapon trigger much more. Therefore daggers are more effective when using physical buffs. However, this fast attack rate comes at a price. When wielding daggers, your chain is key. If a part of your chain misses and is blocked, you have to start over, meaning a significantly lower DPS. The fast attack spammer partially circumvents blocking by using the unblockable Fox Fangs, but blind is a big problem that can exhaust your energy if you're not careful. Bringing cleans and anti-blocking can help a dagger sin maintain his DPS.

In summary, a dagger sin is better when he has people behind him to support him with buffs and cleans. A scythe sin is better when you're in unorganized groups and just want to make things go boom. Dervishes are bad atm, don't play them until they get buffed.

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