A man buys a car. He test drives his car by going 100 miles an hour down a road with a posted limit of 35. He gets arrested, his license gets revoked, and now he tells the police that if they forget it ever happened, he'll never do it again.
The police say "no".
The man then says he will go to his lawyer and attempt to sue the police for revoking his license.
The police still say "no".
The man then says if they don't return his license, he may attempt to physically harm himself at some point in the future due to emotional distress caused by losing his license.
The police, once again, say "no".
The man then says that the police are terrible, the country he is in is the worst country ever, and says he's going to move to a new country and drive his car there because it's a lot better.
I think this analogy fits a little more than some of the others being posted, but that's just me.
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Klimtog
cormac ap dunn
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My neighbor and I each bought the new Delorean, a very technologically advanced vehicle. When I went to start my car, some text flashed on the center console and an icon appeared on the touchscreen that said you must press here to start the car. I pushed the icon so that I could drive my new car.
I went out on the highway to see what my new car was capable of. I opened the engine up and was flying down the road. Apparently, I must have zipped past my neighbor, because he called the Delorean company to tell them about my driving and they came and took my car away. Apparently the icon that I had to press in order to start my car gave Delorean the right to come and take my car from me if I broke any traffic laws or used the vehicle in any manner, which they generally did not like. On a related note, I have a co-worker who put a "Gas, Grass or Ass" bumper sticker on his Delorean. They came and took his car away for two weeks. According to Delorean, they have the right to do this, because he pushed the button in order to start the car. |
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My neighbor and I each bought the new Delorean, a very technologically advanced vehicle. When I went to start my car, some text flashed on the center console and an icon appeared on the touchscreen that said you must press here to start the car. I pushed the icon so that I could drive my new car.
I went out on the highway to see what my new car was capable of. I opened the engine up and was flying down the road. Apparently, I must have zipped past my neighbor, because he called the Delorean company to tell them about my driving and they came and took my car away. Apparently the icon that I had to press in order to start my car gave Delorean the right to come and take my car from me if I broke any traffic laws or used the vehicle in any manner, which they generally did not like. On a related note, I have a co-worker who put a "Gas, Grass or Ass" bumper sticker on his Delorean. They came and took his car away for two weeks. According to Delorean, they have the right to do this, because he pushed the button in order to start the car. |
Firstly, car analogy = you fails the internets.
Secondly, the Delorean was never a "very technologically advanced vehicle" it was a Lotus Esprit clone, with a new shell and a PVR rotary engine.
Thirdly, while I appreciate your attempt to make a EULA analogy of sorts, you have the right to read the games EULA before you make your in store purchase... that's right, you CAN ask to see a software package's EULA before you decide to purchase it. I could be mistaken but I also believe that the game's EULA was available on the GW website before the game was even available for sale.
PS: If you're talking about a Delorean fitted with a flux capacitor, then yes, a very advanced vehicle indeed.
sixdartbart
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My neighbor and I each bought the new Delorean, a very technologically advanced vehicle. When I went to start my car, some text flashed on the center console and an icon appeared on the touchscreen that said you must press here to start the car. I pushed the icon so that I could drive my new car.
I went out on the highway to see what my new car was capable of. I opened the engine up and was flying down the road. Apparently, I must have zipped past my neighbor, because he called the Delorean company to tell them about my driving and they came and took my car away. Apparently the icon that I had to press in order to start my car gave Delorean the right to come and take my car from me if I broke any traffic laws or used the vehicle in any manner, which they generally did not like. On a related note, I have a co-worker who put a "Gas, Grass or Ass" bumper sticker on his Delorean. They came and took his car away for two weeks. According to Delorean, they have the right to do this, because he pushed the button in order to start the car. |
Aside from the tortured logic, you just had your "new car" taken away by a company that went out of bussiness 28 years ago and I hardly think that a company whos owner was attempting to keep afloat by smuggling cocaine would be making ethical rules on the proper use of their cars.
Just saying
ohhh
I'm pretty sure John has been dead for awhile so his repo days are over...
Ka Tet
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My power-drill vs screwdriver Metaphor was better. XD
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Ka Tet
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A man buys a car. He test drives his car by going 100 miles an hour down a road with a posted limit of 35. He gets arrested, his license gets revoked, and now he tells the police that if they forget it ever happened, he'll never do it again.
The police say "no". The man then says he will go to his lawyer and attempt to sue the police for revoking his license. The police still say "no". The man then says if they don't return his license, he may attempt to physically harm himself at some point in the future due to emotional distress caused by losing his license. The police, once again, say "no". The man then says that the police are terrible, the country he is in is the worst country ever, and says he's going to move to a new country and drive his car there because it's a lot better. I think this analogy fits a little more than some of the others being posted, but that's just me. |
sixdartbart
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A man buys a car. He test drives his car by going 100 miles an hour down a road with a posted limit of 35. He gets arrested, his license gets revoked, and now he tells the police that if they forget it ever happened, he'll never do it again.
The police say "no". The man then says he will go to his lawyer and attempt to sue the police for revoking his license. The police still say "no". The man then says if they don't return his license, he may attempt to physically harm himself at some point in the future due to emotional distress caused by losing his license. The police, once again, say "no". The man then says that the police are terrible, the country he is in is the worst country ever, and says he's going to move to a new country and drive his car there because it's a lot better. I think this analogy fits a little more than some of the others being posted, but that's just me. |
HAHAHA
This one is spot on!!!
and pretty damned funny too.
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Inaccurate. That would be akin to pursuing legal action against gold retailers. The police are not involved, this is the company revoking the product they sold you.
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Ka Tet
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Firstly, car analogy = you fails the internets.
Secondly, the Delorean was never a "very technologically advanced vehicle" it was a Lotus Esprit clone, with a new shell and a PVR rotary engine. Thirdly, while I appreciate your attempt to make a EULA analogy of sorts, you have the right to read the games EULA before you make your in store purchase... that's right, you CAN ask to see a software package's EULA before you decide to purchase it. I could be mistaken but I also believe that the game's EULA was available on the GW website before the game was even available for sale. PS: If you're talking about a Delorean fitted with a flux capacitor, then yes, a very advanced vehicle indeed. |
Secondly, I was trying to avoid referencing any company currently making cars. So this would indeed be the 2010 Doc Brown model. I assumed the touch screen reference would indicate it wasn't referring to the original models.
Thirdly, the car owner could have sat there and scrolled through the entire licensing agreement on the touch screen.
Ka Tet
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lets say you lease these Deloreans (GW isn't what you buy sir) and you jeopardize the companies vehicle (possession belongs to the title holder for the car) with your decisions, guess what. due to lack of ownership, who gets end product? are you not responsible to maintain said vehicle to the standards set forth by the actual owner? guess its all where you sit on the food chain right?
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The man then says he will go to his lawyer and attempt to sue the police for revoking his license. |
"Would the court be seate..."
"OBJECTION!"
"Silence in my cour..."
"OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS!"
"Case disimissed, you're in contempt - PERMABAN FROM PRACTICING."
Nerel
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Firstly, confusing an allegory with an analogy = you fails english.
Secondly, I was trying to avoid referencing any company currently making cars. So this would indeed be the 2010 Doc Brown model. I assumed the touch screen reference would indicate it wasn't referring to the original models. Thirdly, the car owner could have sat there and scrolled through the entire licensing agreement on the touch screen. |
analogy
allegory
Analogy: A relationship of resemblance or equivalence between two situations, people, or objects, especially when used as a basis for explanation or extrapolation...
A relationship of equivalence between two situations, especially when used as a basis for explanation... my God, you're right, you so didn't just do that.
Car = GW, Pushing the icon to start the car = clicking that you accept the EULA to start Guild Wars... no you're right, that's a figurative mode of representation where you are using symbolism to convey meaning other than a simple, literal message, indeed your post was comparable to the works of Tolkien in this regard.
And did you mean English or english? No matter, you fail it less, then get back to me.
Now, you failed to mention in your "epic allegoric tale" if the touch screen did or did not display the licensing agreement in the first place, you've merely added that snippet as an afterthought in a latter post. And how is this relevant, you've failed to dispute the fact that you CAN view the EULA before you even purchase the product...
So short of being side tracked by your fail, how is any of what you said even relevant to Guild Wars or it's licensing agreement?
It isn't.
How is any of that relevant to botting?
It isn't.
You had a point to make?
Probably not.
Well, nice talk.
Ka Tet
I concede to your point about the analogy/allegory statement. Replying to too many posts at once = poor referencing of concepts.
However,
Really? Do you truly not understand or is that just a continuation of general smarminess?
However,
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How is any of that relevant to botting?
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Perkunas
Question: What percentage of the banned were for PvE bots vs. PvP manipulation?
Nerel
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I concede to your point about the analogy/allegory statement. Replying to too many posts at once = poor referencing of concepts.
However, Really? Do you truly not understand or is that just a continuation of general smarminess? |
If you were trying to suggest that someone who didn't read the EULA and latter got smacked down by a bot ban should somehow be viewed as a victim solely because they didn't read the rules regarding it's use... then yes, I got your point, and it's wrong.
Comparing an item to a service (a car to server access) is a bad start for so many reasons. Pretending that someone didn't deserve their punishment based solely on the fact that they're claiming ignorance of the rules is worse.
If you had some 'other' point to make, spit it out...
Sorry for being a twat about it.
EDIT: Oh, twat didn't get the GO RED ENGINE treatment...
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JohnFahey
I take back what i said about anet on this one. I can understand why they stayed low key about the issue until after they busted everyone. I think bots will still always be a issue but at least its out of the mainstream now hopefully. I wish there was some kind of list of shame we could all see, and know who was banned for this. My only complaint is they waited untill after double fame weekend to do this. My guild was on a nice streak and we lost to a dual bot team. it was really frustrating.
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welcome to internet forums. if one is not supposed to voice opinion here, it'd be a barren place. did kj's botting petition have no bearing whatsoever on their recent actions? have not the ursan/sf/etc qq have no bearing on them becoming nerfed? honestly, your whole post is irrelevant; if you truly feel the way you do, then why the hell are you even posting?
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Opinions on game discussion on the other hand actually do matter. A.net wants to make the game the best it can be, and to do that they need feedback. Discussing skill balances and giving feedback on what we think would be fun, fair, balanced, etc. helps make the game better and more enjoyable for most people. Our opinion matters because it is asked for.
Promoting awareness for a serious issue like botting is good because it helps the people in power gauge how serious the problem really is. Frankly KJ had no right to demand a response, but what the use of that word did was get people interested and the thread grew large enough for A.Net to see how big the problem really was. However we have no idea how large of an effect that thread actually had on the whole 3700 people getting banned. Maybe they were planning on doing something about it before hand, and maybe they weren't. Unless they publicly say so, we'll never know.
Forums serve their purpose. They allow players to share strategies about the game. They allow players to theory craft ideas on what they believe could improve the game. They aren't, however, for deciding whether or not a punishment for cheating is fair or not. When we play games, we must follow the companies rules. It isn't our place to question them, just follow them. If you don't follow them, then be ready to face the consequences and don't start crying about it when they come. Everyone knows the risks of cheating. You don't like the punishment for it, then don't do it.
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3700 people getting banned.
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LowOiL
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Man gets to court and discovers his lawyer is running an interupt bot.
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Perhaps Anet can name a new bad guy "Major Chuckle" in remembrance of this thread. He could drop some type of scythe too.
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My neighbor and I each bought the new Delorean, a very technologically advanced vehicle. When I went to start my car, some text flashed on the center console and an icon appeared on the touchscreen that said you must press here to start the car. I pushed the icon so that I could drive my new car.
I went out on the highway to see what my new car was capable of. I opened the engine up and was flying down the road. Apparently, I must have zipped past my neighbor, because he called the Delorean company to tell them about my driving and they came and took my car away. Apparently the icon that I had to press in order to start my car gave Delorean the right to come and take my car from me if I broke any traffic laws or used the vehicle in any manner, which they generally did not like. |
In your country, are you allowed on the highway without taking driving lessons and/or a driving test? During which you are taught that there are laws restricting speed? And that such restrictions apply to all vehicles, DeLorean or not, no matter what messages, buttons or icons exist in your car?
If you're speeding, you KNOW you're breaking the law, and "I thought that button made me exempt from the law" is ludicrous as a defense.
If you wanted to "see what your new car was capable of", you'd take it to Germany, or go to a test track.
aspi
Are there still people complaining they got banned and admit using bots. What part don't you understand. Try to compare it to real life situations and trying to explain doesn't change a thing. Buy another account and start over, or move on to another game. Which makes the most sense because you really don't want to do all that grinding again do you? Not without your bots.
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LOLOLOL
DO ALMOST NOTHING FOR 6 MONTHS. THEN WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH OF EM, BAN EM ALL!!! seriously, you killed the best pvpers, the richest gw players, and 1000s of people that loved this game. gratz. |
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seriously, you killed the best pvpers, the richest gw players, and 1000s of people that loved this game. gratz. |
Things don't come easy, not in real life, not in the game. if you cannot even play by the rules in a game that you claim to love. how the hell are you going to make it in real life where the competition is greater? DOWNLOAD A BOT?
Using bots reminds me of people (in real life) who maxed out their credit card to buy stuffs they cannot afford otherwise, just so they could show off. In the end THEY ARE THE ONE GETTING BURNED. no one else.
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The best in botting, you mean? .. . when are you botters going to realize using a bot makes you good at using a bot, it does not makes you good at the game ...
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a game that you claim to love.
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Only thing I'm mad about is guildies and friends quitting the game because they have no reason to buy a brand new account for a dead game. We will most likely play together in GW2.
GG Anet btw, you should have seen my reaction when dhuum came down. I thought I was the coolest person in GW. Sadly, I wasn't ready to take a screenie.
Signed: Ravenlock, the now level 10 warrior with less than 5 platnum and 4 fame.
lithiumfish
the funny thing is, they haven't just killed the game for botters, the've made an already dead game even more dead for everyone who doesnt bot, good job anet.
obviously profit based as that is what anet is about; 3700 people get banned for botting causing lots of them to buy new accounds = anet makes more money out of a dead game.
obviously profit based as that is what anet is about; 3700 people get banned for botting causing lots of them to buy new accounds = anet makes more money out of a dead game.
pumpkin pie
who says the game is dead?
BTW, 3700 ACCOUNTS, not players
See, the thing is, when you can't play in a PvP environment that is over run with bots, you stop playing until the problem is fixed. which is what I did, And I am going to jump into RA again when i get my desktop back. RA here I come again! I better not see anymore syncher or get interrupted 10 times in a row. I like taking screenshots
And you think players won't play PvP without bots? the players who could play without bots, and can't play because other players are using bots will most probably return.
War In Kryta is pve? no? they don't care? what for they give us all the new contents/stories? FREE
BTW, 3700 ACCOUNTS, not players
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As he said, too much too late imo. Botting kills pvp so everyone needs a bot to compete with these ridiculous dual tease 20 interrupt teams. They dowload it and try it out. Rupt every skill. - About the PvE botting... LOL SINCE WHEN DO THEY CARE ABOUT PVE. They just made an update to buff mesmers in pve and they ended up making them 300% more common in HA. They let shadow form get out of hand for several years.
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And you think players won't play PvP without bots? the players who could play without bots, and can't play because other players are using bots will most probably return.
War In Kryta is pve? no? they don't care? what for they give us all the new contents/stories? FREE
Gabriel of Ravn
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BTW, 3700 ACCOUNTS, not players
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The Baphomet
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who says the game is dead?
"OMG U MADE BIG MISTAKE" See, the thing is, when you can't play in a PvP environment that is over run with bots, you stop playing until the problem is fixed. which is what I did, And I am going to jump into RA again when i get my desktop back. RA here I come again! |
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Tell me how an assassin that can run through a high level area and destroy 10, 20, 30 monsters at one time is good for a virtual economy.
pumpkin pie
Yeap, I stop for more then a Year.
Did you not read the Question and Answer's section on this forum? I seem to see there are still new players asking for advise because they want to buy Guild Wars, or what campaign they should start from. That, to me is people buying new accounts.
You probably don't know where I stand regarding "virtual economy"
1) They don't exist.
2) I don't care. Because it does not affect me and my game experience.
Did you not read the Question and Answer's section on this forum? I seem to see there are still new players asking for advise because they want to buy Guild Wars, or what campaign they should start from. That, to me is people buying new accounts.
You probably don't know where I stand regarding "virtual economy"
1) They don't exist.
2) I don't care. Because it does not affect me and my game experience.
SirSausage
Wow, there are so many people whining about it. That wouldn't have happened to you if you had played by the rules. Thank you Anet!
The Baphomet
Okay. There is no such thing as an economy in Guild Wars. Therefore its fine for players to be invincible in pve. Bots can't hurt something that doesn't exist either
Ka Tet
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I honestly don't understand the point of your allegorical post/analogy.
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The idea I was trying to illustrate was that if any other product that people paid for was taken away by the company who made it for any reason other than non-payment, the reaction would be quite different. Even if you were dubbing bootleg copies off of a DVD the company would have no legal right to take the copy you paid for- although that copy would likely be gaining dust sitting in an evidence room while the criminal and then civil trials proceeded.
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First, congrats on slipping twat through.
The idea I was trying to illustrate was that if any other product that people paid for was taken away by the company who made it for any reason other than non-payment, the reaction would be quite different. Even if you were dubbing bootleg copies off of a DVD the company would have no legal right to take the copy you paid for- although that copy would likely be gaining dust sitting in an evidence room while the criminal and then civil trials proceeded. |
A-Net provides a service (access to their game). If you abuse the service, they reserve the right to cease providing that service to you. This is no different to other services in all walks of life.
pumpkin pie
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Okay. There is no such thing as an economy in Guild Wars. Therefore its fine for players to be invincible in pve. Bots can't hurt something that doesn't exist either
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1) I don't care, because a player is still controlling said character with whatever skills ...
2) ArenaNet addressed the issue, if i remember correctly, i wander why.
3) In my humble opinion, Perma Sins, they are not invincible, . Bots, however are, not to mention bots are non-stop and the players can go afk
and please excuse me, I am going out now, PRINCE OF PERSIA!!!!!!!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
snaek
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cmon anet, go all out... i want to see another 10,000+ accounts permabanned. stop being so selective.
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cmon anet, go all out... i want to see another 10,000+ accounts permabanned. stop being so selective.
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snaek
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they found the answer, they removed the entire format. then made it clear that from THAT moment on, it would not be tolerated, decision was made, stop trying to incite riot because you got burned
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2. people who rr'd generally didnt give a shit bout hb.
3. i cared about hb, and i refused to take part in rr. yet i still have to see it removed (along with ta which was a complete dick ass move).
4. i have never botted, nor have i ever been banned.
anything else? i feel that people who weren't in the 3900 are so quick to judge.
personally, i would just like to see some justification or at least some clarification of anet's actions. right now to me, it seems very selective/random.
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My neighbor and I each bought the new Delorean, a very technologically advanced vehicle. When I went to start my car, some text flashed on the center console and an icon appeared on the touchscreen that said you must press here to start the car. I pushed the icon so that I could drive my new car. I went out on the highway to see what my new car was capable of. I opened the engine up and was flying down the road. Apparently, I must have zipped past my neighbor, because he called the Delorean company to tell them about my driving and they came and took my car away. Apparently the icon that I had to press in order to start my car gave Delorean the right to come and take my car from me if I broke any traffic laws or used the vehicle in any manner, which they generally did not like. On a related note, I have a co-worker who put a "Gas, Grass or Ass" bumper sticker on his Delorean. They came and took his car away for two weeks. According to Delorean, they have the right to do this, because he pushed the button in order to start the car. |
You program it to run over people.
YOU GO TO JAIL.
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1. people who rr'd are still playing the game and are still keeping the wealth they earned from rr.
2. people who rr'd generally didnt give a shit bout hb. 3. i cared about hb, and i refused to take part in rr. yet i still have to see it removed (along with ta which was a complete dick ass move). 4. i have never botted, nor have i ever been banned. anything else? i feel that people who weren't in the 3900 are so quick to judge. personally, i would just like to see some justification or at least some clarification of anet's actions. right now to me, it seems very selective/random. |
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then this should be moved to the other forums where this topic was already discussed at length. whether you liked HB or not, this hardly belongs on here. as far as the random/selective thing, botters got hit. i at least see that RR they were actually at their keyboards(don't know if it was botted as well, but if it was i'm sure they got banned). so as far as the random thing, no, anet stated they watched these accounts and have irrefutable proof, proof that they can back up. doesn't sound so selective to me
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