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axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Pwn Appetit [NJoy]

W/

28 May 2010 at 17:34 - 721

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

botting was only half of the equation. they also said they were hitting those that "engaged in PvP match manipulation", which is exactly what rr is. also, proof that they can back up, but refuse to do so--what's the point of that?

This dude has a point,

I want to drink so many more tears please Anet, they will be so delicious

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

28 May 2010 at 17:42 - 722

ah, so this is just about blood. nice. maybe next we can banish all the people with a name starting in Q, its such a nasty letter, and after all who doesn't want to see them suffer.... seriously though everything that was just dealt with IS the topic now. i personally liked HB and i think it was a fun, but dead format. i could go on at length about its replacement, but thats not for here. RR day was squashed effectivly, it doesn't exist now and if it did, ban away. the warning is there. now they can act on it. i say if it starts up again, ban away.

Mangione

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

28 May 2010 at 17:45 - 723

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

1. people who rr'd are still playing the game and are still keeping the wealth they earned from rr.
2. people who rr'd generally didnt give a shit bout hb.
3. i cared about hb, and i refused to take part in rr. yet i still have to see it removed (along with ta which was a complete dick ass move).
4. i have never botted, nor have i ever been banned.

anything else? i feel that people who weren't in the 3900 are so quick to judge.

personally, i would just like to see some justification or at least some clarification of anet's actions. right now to me, it seems very selective/random.

^---- this.

Red Resign was match manipulation.
I don't think they will ban anyone for it, but still it was a blatant violation of the rules.
I guess they still have the logs somewhere, but it would be an extremely bad advertising for Anet to ban (tens of?) thousands of players for breaking the rules... more than a year ago.

Anet has not been too strict into enforcing its own rules...

I'm glad they banned the botters, I can only hope they will be more strict in enforcing them.

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

28 May 2010 at 17:56 - 724

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangione

^---- this.

Red Resign was match manipulation.
I don't think they will ban anyone for it, but still it was a blatant violation of the rules.
I guess they still have the logs somewhere, but it would be an extremely bad advertising for Anet to ban (tens of?) thousands of players for breaking the rules... more than a year ago.

Anet has not been too strict into enforcing its own rules...

I'm glad they banned the botters, I can only hope they will be more strict in enforcing them.

inclined to agree. i think at this point its about enforcement. when RR became a common thing, i believe a focus started on match manipulation, and i think it has been an improvement, in many ways it put the topic in a public light. now we actually hear about the high end match manipulation. so in a strange way i'm thankful it got focused on, it put the light on better and existing formats not being tainted. so as far as seeking blood for a format that no longer exists, nah, not needed, as far as preventing it from happening again? totally needed! perhaps there are people that botted long ago that are back in the game after anet punished them for it long ago, do i ask that they be banned? nope, they served their punishment when anet gave it to them. to ban them now for a thing they already payed for would be wrong in several ways.

axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Pwn Appetit [NJoy]

W/

28 May 2010 at 18:03 - 725

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

inclined to agree. i think at this point its about enforcement. when RR became a common thing, i believe a focus started on match manipulation, and i think it has been an improvement, in many ways it put the topic in a public light. now we actually hear about the high end match manipulation. so in a strange way i'm thankful it got focused on, it put the light on better and existing formats not being tainted. so as far as seeking blood for a format that no longer exists, nah, not needed, as far as preventing it from happening again? totally needed! perhaps there are people that botted long ago that are back in the game after anet punished them for it long ago, do i ask that they be banned? nope, they served their punishment when anet gave it to them. to ban them now for a thing they already payed for would be wrong in several ways.

Dont worry, I dont think anyone suspects you of RR Exploits, so your acct. is safe. But should you get banned for RR, I will be in here with the rest of the banpires to drink your tears.

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

28 May 2010 at 18:12 - 726

Quote:

Originally Posted by axe

Dont worry, I dont think anyone suspects you of RR Exploits, so your acct. is safe. But should you get banned for RR, I will be in here with the rest of the banpires to drink your tears.

bit of a tear drinker myself

T RAND

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

The Axe Gang

E/

28 May 2010 at 18:39 - 727

read about the 'bots' being banned
went to Jade Quarry today to check on it
The bots are still in Jade Quarry
The botting guilds are still active in Jade Quarry.
Anet wouldn't know a bot if it continually suicided into the 'enemy' base.
The 'good news' responses in this thread are amusing. PvP is still controlled by the botters.
The same bots have been in Jade Quarry for years. From an honest players point of view, Anet accomplished nothing. Anet has had years to do something about the bots and cheaters, and accomplished nothing. Saying you take this seriously doesn't count for anything. Results are what counts. The results say it all. Anet has accomplished nothing, and doesn't take the botters and cheaters seriously.

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

28 May 2010 at 19:05 - 728

Quote:

Originally Posted by T RAND

read about the 'bots' being banned
went to Jade Quarry today to check on it
The bots are still in Jade Quarry
The botting guilds are still active in Jade Quarry.
Anet wouldn't know a bot if it continually suicided into the 'enemy' base.
The 'good news' responses in this thread are amusing. PvP is still controlled by the botters.
The same bots have been in Jade Quarry for years. From an honest players point of view, Anet accomplished nothing. Anet has had years to do something about the bots and cheaters, and accomplished nothing. Saying you take this seriously doesn't count for anything. Results are what counts. The results say it all. Anet has accomplished nothing, and doesn't take the botters and cheaters seriously.

you seem way madder then you need to be, try the new reporting methods. if not then be quiet about it, not taking action yourself means you must care less then you accuse Anet of caring.

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

28 May 2010 at 19:10 - 729

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeGrogan

Man gets to court and discovers his lawyer is running an interupt bot.

"Would the court be seate..."
"OBJECTION!"
"Silence in my cour..."
"OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS!"
"Case disimissed, you're in contempt - PERMABAN FROM PRACTICING."

i lol'ed for a moment there. xD

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 19:17 - 730

Quote:

Originally Posted by T RAND

read about the 'bots' being banned
went to Jade Quarry today to check on it
The bots are still in Jade Quarry
The botting guilds are still active in Jade Quarry.
Anet wouldn't know a bot if it continually suicided into the 'enemy' base.
The 'good news' responses in this thread are amusing. PvP is still controlled by the botters.
The same bots have been in Jade Quarry for years. From an honest players point of view, Anet accomplished nothing. Anet has had years to do something about the bots and cheaters, and accomplished nothing. Saying you take this seriously doesn't count for anything. Results are what counts. The results say it all. Anet has accomplished nothing, and doesn't take the botters and cheaters seriously.

Instead of complaining here you should be reporting those you know who are botting, if you don't you are condoning them.

Lucci_Slevin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2008

Liars Cheats and Thieves

28 May 2010 at 19:29 - 731

GG Anet.

It would appear that none of our guildies were taken out by the ban. GJ guys, I am proud of uz

Golgotha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Rt/

28 May 2010 at 19:35 - 732

Unlike others I'm not going to dance and gloat about others being banned, but I will say that you knew that this day would come. Some day, it was going to happen and you took the risk.

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

R/

28 May 2010 at 23:19 - 733

Just thought I would touch on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

anet refuses to show anyone any evidence (afaik). lol wut evidence? i smell bs on both ends.

support very likely has no evidence. anet probably has some kind of record, but i am 99% sure that support does not have access to it (or simply just cant be bothered to). in other words, your probably not getting help because quite frankly support is unable to help you.

this is from admittedly another thread, but I have seen it a couple of times here and elsewhere.

Sorry, but I cant help but facepalm. Some are going to call me a sheep for saying this, but this is the logical conclusion I have reached for the no-show of evidence. Say hypothetically Anet shows such evidence:

One person complaining who is a botter gets hold of said evidence. Botter passes evidence onto the botting forums. Bot programmers use said evidence to work a way around it.

Follow my logic? Pretty much by showing the evidence, Anet is also showing their way of bot detection, thus leaving it open for ways to be worked around it, thus defeating the purpose of having it in the first place.

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

28 May 2010 at 23:32 - 734

Play the game as it was shipped in the package and you will never have a problem.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

28 May 2010 at 23:35 - 735

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

Just thought I would touch on this.

this is from admittedly another thread, but I have seen it a couple of times here and elsewhere.

Sorry, but I cant help but facepalm. Some are going to call me a sheep for saying this, but this is the logical conclusion I have reached for the no-show of evidence. Say hypothetically Anet shows such evidence:

One person complaining who is a botter gets hold of said evidence. Botter passes evidence onto the botting forums. Bot programmers use said evidence to work a way around it.

Follow my logic? Pretty much by showing the evidence, Anet is also showing their way of bot detection, thus leaving it open for ways to be worked around it, thus defeating the purpose of having it in the first place.

"you were banned for using xy bot." <--- how exactly is this dangerous information in the hands of a bot programmer?

new versions of bots are going to come out regardless. telling a person exactly what they were banned for isn't going to help the botscene, other than perhaps let them know which bots they can no longer use and will have to update. but like i said, new bots are going to come out regardless.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

28 May 2010 at 23:38 - 736

oh a bot is a bot of course of course....

cebalrai

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2007

Mature Gaming Association

Me/E

28 May 2010 at 23:45 - 737

JQ and FA are now a lot easier to play without the legions of bots.

They're actually fun again.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

29 May 2010 at 00:49 - 738

I think they have more information then just: you are using XY Bot.

I think they have your character's name, ie Character DDD is using XY Bot in JQ on these date, time, and your character ran from point a to b to c X amount of time, etc.

Klimtog

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

29 May 2010 at 01:33 - 739

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

"you were banned for using xy bot." <--- how exactly is this dangerous information in the hands of a bot programmer?

new versions of bots are going to come out regardless. telling a person exactly what they were banned for isn't going to help the botscene, other than perhaps let them know which bots they can no longer use and will have to update. but like i said, new bots are going to come out regardless.

That's not really any evidence. That would be ArenaNet saying X used Y bot, and X saying they didn't. We'd still be where we are now with so many banned players claiming to have never botted (and for some, this is probably true. Contact support if it is.) or anything of the sort. To produce actual evidence that someone was using a bot would do exactly as was stated, showing the bot creators exactly what to do to keep their bots under the radar.

Oblivious Moose

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Sinister Swarm [Sin]

P/

29 May 2010 at 01:51 - 740

Don't forget, people were also banned for match manipulation. Which includes a large number of HA players whom obtained their rank very quickly in these past months. Not to mention those linked to joining the other faction in AB, and quitting/forcible death to push a win.

Same thing goes for all the PvP content. Regardless if the player has NEVER used a bot in GW.

DJCoastal

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Vancouver, BC, Canada

Mo/

29 May 2010 at 02:09 - 741

Hahaha... Good job Anet. Very well done. xD I love it!!!

I am actually sad that I didn't see this up close myself.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

29 May 2010 at 02:31 - 742

Job well done Anet and it's a statement to the community you still care. The Dhuum animation is a cool way to express this stance ingame.

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

29 May 2010 at 04:08 - 743

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJCoastal

Hahaha... Good job Anet. Very well done. xD I love it!!!

I am actually sad that I didn't see this up close myself.

Join the club, babe.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

29 May 2010 at 04:44 - 744

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

"you were banned for using xy bot." <--- how exactly is this dangerous information in the hands of a bot programmer?

If the banned botter had been using multiple different botting methods over the course of the past year, this would be NCsoft support telling him which bots they can detect AND WHICH THEY CAN'T.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

29 May 2010 at 04:56 - 745

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

If the banned botter had been using multiple different botting methods over the course of the past year, this would be NCsoft support telling him which bots they can detect AND WHICH THEY CAN'T.

stating 1 is enough to warrant the ban.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I think they have more information then just: you are using XY Bot.

depends on a per case basis how much info they need to divulge.

Quote:

Originally Posted by klimtog

That's not really any evidence.

it is. not a whole lot mind you, but it is. what's not evidence is an automated message saying "you were banned for botting", which is just laziness. if they revealed the specific bot, it at least shows that the person actually checked your records, instead of seeing "bot" in the subject title and ignoring to read the body message and ignoring to actually check your records to see if perhaps it actually was a mistake.

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

29 May 2010 at 05:17 - 746

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

stating 1 is enough to warrant the ban.

actually, anything Anet/NCsoft deems warrants the ban, they have to state nothing at all. they do so purely as convenience.

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

depends on a per case basis how much info they need to divulge.

see above

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

it is. not a whole lot mind you, but it is. what's not evidence is an automated message saying "you were banned for botting", which is just laziness. if they revealed the specific bot, it at least shows that the person actually checked your records, instead of seeing "bot" in the subject title and ignoring to read the body message and ignoring to actually check your records to see if perhaps it actually was a mistake.

I think you have been missing the point of them NOT announcing they were even doing all this to begin with, it not only eliminates the botters, it keeps the bot makers in the dark. I for one am all about them NOT being able to make new bots for the game. Call me a bad person for not wanting to help pretty awful people profit from ruining something i enjoy legally

st4rscream

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2010

Ordinary Wizarding Luxons

Rt/Me

29 May 2010 at 05:17 - 747

I just wanted to post here I just logging into my email and saw I had an email from NC Soft.
Your account was permanently closed because it was found to be related to networks which sell in-game items for cash or other items with real world value. This action is against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

I have never done anything like this, the closest I ever got was buying the War in Kryta clothes from the in-game store. I hope they restore my account I love the game and feel betrayed, and swindled.

amaretto creme

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

PA

Drunken Devil Dawgs [USMC]

E/

29 May 2010 at 05:21 - 748

Quote:

Originally Posted by st4rscream

I just wanted to post here I just logging into my email and saw I had an email from NC Soft.
Your account was permanently closed because it was found to be related to networks which sell in-game items for cash or other items with real world value. This action is against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

I have never done anything like this, the closest I ever got was buying the War in Kryta clothes from the in-game store. I hope they restore my account I love the game and feel betrayed, and swindled.

I would ask them exactly what you did and if they could show you the proof of it. Maybe you were just purchasing something from an account that regularly sells gold and was flagged for it or something and didn't know it. I know a few people who that has happened to.

st4rscream

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2010

Ordinary Wizarding Luxons

Rt/Me

29 May 2010 at 05:31 - 749

I'm not sure I don't usually buy anything in that game. I plan on trying to call them on Tues. after the holiday.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

29 May 2010 at 05:33 - 750

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

stating 1 is enough to warrant the ban.

Yes, because the botting community would share information about which bots got them banned and which bots seemingly didn't get anyone banned, you're right... that information would be of no use to the botters...

/facepalm

And how does naming a bot prove anything, if you botted you already know which bot you used... having Anet name the bot only serves to illustrate what you already know... if you didn't bot, and Anet believes that they detected you using a certain bot... how does naming the bot help your case.

Anet: Our logs showed that you used XY bot!
Wrongly accused gamer: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot!
Banned Botter: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot! Can I haz mah account back nao plz?

What a fail idea. Illustrate how naming the bot can help those wrongly accused? Go on...

Quote:

Originally Posted by st4rscream

I just wanted to post here I just logging into my email and saw I had an email from NC Soft.
Your account was permanently closed because it was found to be related to networks which sell in-game items for cash or other items with real world value. This action is against our User Agreement, where Section 7 states, "You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so."

I have never done anything like this, the closest I ever got was buying the War in Kryta clothes from the in-game store. I hope they restore my account I love the game and feel betrayed, and swindled.

When did you last use the account? it's quite possible that your account had been compromised (hacked) by RMT scumbags and used for selling, storing or farming gold... if that's the case, you really need to talk to Anet/NCsoft support to get your account back, be aware that it might have been stripped of valuables by the RMT scumbags...

amaretto creme

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2008

PA

Drunken Devil Dawgs [USMC]

E/

29 May 2010 at 05:34 - 751

Yeah, that's probably a good thing. They are probably pretty swamped with the support, especially online, though I'm not saying the phones won't be just as bad. Either way, I'd say just make sure you ask them to tell you what exactly when wrong because you honestly aren't sure. They will more than likely tell you what happened, and then you'll have more knowledge and be able to say whether or not you knew what was going on, or even they will see if they made an error that way as well. Definitely ask them what the exact offense was though, or you will just go around in circles forever.

cormac ap dunn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2007

Mystic Empires III [xMEx]

Me/

29 May 2010 at 05:48 - 752

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

Yes, because the botting community would share information about which bots got them banned and which bots seemingly didn't get anyone banned, you're right... that information would be of no use to the botters...

This is spot on ! I would think the only ones interested in which bots got people banned are a) botters looking to see which bots to avoid b) bot makers looking to see what to avoid making in the future c) trolls trying to encourage said botters and bot makers because they enjoy havoc and lack the simple ability to play due to boredom, stress, or a generally awful personal life...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

how does naming the bot help your case.

Anet: Our logs showed that you used XY bot!
Wrongly accused gamer: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot!
Banned Botter: No I didn't, I never used that or any other bot! Can I haz mah account back nao plz?

This seems to be what we are seeing more and more of on these threads. The guilty push to prove their innocence worried they won't get their account back, maybe even trying to gather support on a public forum.... the innocent go to the source, they have nothing to prove to anyone other then the support team.

ZainAhmed

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Earth

I need a guild

R/Mo

29 May 2010 at 08:46 - 753

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot Narita

They didn't get banned for "curiosity".
They got got banned for cheating.
They knew it was wrong. They took the risk. They paid the price.

It's a game not real life. Most people don't know what's wrong or what's right in the virtual world. Now, in real life i know cheating on an exam is...wrong, murdering someone is...wrong for any reason..etc etc...people don't kill for curiosity or steal or commit any "crime" out of curiosity for that matter. Using a bot out of curiosity is not a crime then...

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

29 May 2010 at 08:51 - 754

What is your point?

No one said it was real life.

Everyone knew they weren't supposed to bot, no sympathy from me.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

29 May 2010 at 08:54 - 755

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

It's a game not real life. Most people don't know what's wrong or what's right in the virtual world.

Hmmmm, wasn't there a document you're supposed to read through and then agree to before playing that explains what is wrong and right in GW, and what can earn you a permaban...

See: EULA

ZainAhmed

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Earth

I need a guild

R/Mo

29 May 2010 at 08:59 - 756

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

What is your point?

No one said it was real life.

Everyone knew they weren't supposed to bot, no sympathy from me.

In real life we know what's wrong and what's not mostly so when you guys say "they knew it was wrong"...that's not really true because there are diff levels of doing wrong so one does not instantly realize that in the virtual world. When injecting GW with a supposedly working bot one will not realize what their actually doing until they have used it to gain something... I think I explained my point clearly...because when I realized what it was capable of I quit immediately but Anet doesn't care.

ZainAhmed

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Earth

I need a guild

R/Mo

29 May 2010 at 09:00 - 757

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Hmmmm, wasn't there a document you're supposed to read through and then agree to before playing that explains what is wrong and right in GW, and what can earn you a permaban...

See: EULA

Yea , thanks for pointing that out. You guys should conduct a poll on Guru and see how many people say they have actually read it word for word...seriously...

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

29 May 2010 at 09:10 - 758

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Yea , thanks for pointing that out. You guys should conduct a poll on Guru and see how many people say they have actually read it word for word...seriously...

So wait, they're not at fault because they don't know what is illicit conduct or not, and say its not their fault when they don't read the document they're supposed to read that explains said conduct and have to agree to before playing?

Oh ok, just making sure that's the argument you want to go with.

No, a lot of people don't read it word for word, but that doesn't diminish the responsibility and culpability of the person. "But officer, everyone else was speeding too!" doesn't work in real life and it doesn't work here.

Gabriel of Ravn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Virginia

None, retired to GW2.

W/A

29 May 2010 at 09:33 - 759

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

Yea , thanks for pointing that out. You guys should conduct a poll on Guru and see how many people say they have actually read it word for word...seriously...

Let's see I have never actually read in a law book it's illegal to steal yet I still don't do it. Let's take a poll on that and see how many people have read that word for word in an actual text book and don't steal.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

29 May 2010 at 09:48 - 760

To the botters who say they didn't read the EULA and that nobody else did:

Do you really need to read the EULA to know that botting = ban?

I'll freely admit that I never read the EULA. On the other hand, I don't bot and know that botters will and should get a ban.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

When injecting GW with a supposedly working bot one will not realize what their actually doing until they have used it to gain something...

What what what?

1. You go to a bot site
2. You find a certain bot, let's say "raptor farm bot"
3. You read what it does, how it works, what you need to do to set it up
4. You download it
5. You install it
6. You run it
7. You finally figure out what you are doing?

That is essentially your reasoning, or am I missing something?