Would you forget GW if...

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

...the recent account ban hit you? Some people may be really upset to say #%^# YOU!! and find another MMO to keep themselves busy, but also chance blanking out GW2 altogether.

The response by ANET is welcome and jest, but it makes you wonder how a good portion of the community will react and how it effects profits down the line. There's a saying "Burn me once..."

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

If I was banned for nothing I would obviously be upset, but on the other hand I'm pretty sure I'd have my account back in that case.

I already play several different MMO's, I switch between them so I don't burn out completely.

But the whole "I'm not getting GW2 because I was banned for botting GW is silly."

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

I won't get banned.

headlesshobbs

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Originally Posted by majoho View Post
I already play several different MMO's, I switch between them so I don't burn out completely.
Variety is the spice of life.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

If the recent account ban hit me, I would have been already using bots to play the game for me. Really, what would I care about a game I was already not playing?

This mass ban actually makes me more likely to purchase GW2. If this is what we can expect in GW2, I'm all for it.

As someone else said in another thread.

"GW2. Now with fewer scumbags!"

drunknzelda

drunknzelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Time For Plan B [RUN]

E/Me

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua View Post
If the recent account ban hit me, I would have been already using bots to play the game for me. Really, what would I care about a game I was already not playing?
Totally agree with that. It just shows Anet is more dedicated to GW than we all expected, and in return this attitude might be reflected on GW2. Let's hope so ^^

Nerel

Nerel

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Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

OP, do you mean the botters who were caught and banned, or are you asking us a hypothetical question about innocent players who didn't bot getting caught up in the bot sweep and suffering an unjust ban?

In the latter case, it would depend on how well (and how quickly) the support at Anet (NCsoft) dealt with the matter and restored the account.

shoyon456

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Well someone said in another thread that Anet is supposedly already beginning to reverse some who did bot and are being soft. So maybe even then you could get your account back. Personally I hope Anet doesn't act soft. They should keep all of them permabanned.

Although I'd be pissed, I'd know that it was me who did something wrong, not Anet. In this case I would buy GW2. However, I won't be buying GW2 for other reasons that ARE Anet's fault and have rubbed me the wrong way (where the hell are the scythes in GW2?!)

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

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Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
OP, do you mean the botters who were caught and banned, or are you asking us a hypothetical question about innocent players who didn't bot getting caught up in the bot sweep and suffering an unjust ban?

In the latter case, it would depend on how well (and how quickly) the support at Anet (NCsoft) dealt with the matter and restored the account.
Originally it was aimed at players who are currently still able to enjoy playing, but if anyone banned wanted to answer, plz don't use this thread as troll bait.

willie nelson

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
There's a saying "Burn me once..."
Anet didn't burn the botters, they did this to themselves.

So what you should be asking is are people who got banned stupid enough to go to buy another game then cheat again?

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

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Originally Posted by willie nelson View Post
So what you should be asking is are people who got banned stupid enough to go to buy another game then cheat again?
That would be some sad irony now wouldn't it?

leetLoLa

leetLoLa

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people that got banned are like i will just wait for guild wars 2,so i think its ok.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
Originally it was aimed at players who are currently still able to enjoy playing, but if anyone banned wanted to answer, plz don't use this thread as troll bait.
I'd still get GW2. I'd be really disappointed that I wouldn't be able to play GW1, but I doubt I'd buy everything again. I've got enough other stuff to play that I'll be occupied.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

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I'd fight tooth and nail for my account - I don't bot, and the only 3rd party program I've ever used with GW was cartography texmod. So, my banning would be a consequence of being falsely banned.

I expect a small amount of those banned ARE banned wrongly, but only a negligible minority. So few, in other words, that individual reviews will make sure the innocents' accoutns are reinstated.

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

People who actually KNOWS how to bot would not be deterred by the ban at all. If they're smart they would've transferred all their botted loot from a secondary account to their primary one using a proxy and Anet can't prove anything, unless they personally check the history of each account.

More sophisticated botters could have even sold all their botted loot for real life money, then they could not care less about banning. They could use their real life money (from botting) to buy another account to bot and/or re-buy in game gold on their primary account.

The ones that actually would forget GW are the semi-casual players that probably only started botting because of the ghost town state that the game had become after the "great nerfing"

Personally, I probably would forget GW AND GW2 if I ever get banned (which I won't :P), because its already getting hard for LEGIT players to actually find a group, because this game probably has the most anti-social community in all online RPG. So if I get banned because I decided to bot (which I won't) or falsely banned I won't really care.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

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1. Being banned won't stop players from buying a new game.
2. Being banned won't stop players from cheating again.
3. Banned players quite often re-purchase the game. It's the whole community thing that is an attraction. Plus they think they have "put one over" on ArenaNet by getting a new account.
4. Even 10,000 bans wouldn't affect sales of GW2 in a detrimental manner. It is more likely to encourage people to purchase it, knowing that they won't have to play in a bot-friendly world.
5. ArenaNet has always revisited bans if you have proof you weren't botting.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

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Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
1. Being banned won't stop players from buying a new game.
2. Being banned won't stop players from cheating again.
3. Banned players quite often re-purchase the game. It's the whole community thing that is an attraction. Plus they think they have "put one over" on ArenaNet by getting a new account.
There's some funny facts about all three of these listed.

1. players willing to buy again have too much money to burn.
2. a cheater who never changes will always be a cheater and often make the same mistake twice.
3. one can delude himself into believing "he's won", but in the end the dealer is the one who's running off with his money. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...)

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
There's some funny facts about all three of these listed.

1. players willing to buy again have too much money to burn.
2. a cheater who never changes will always be a cheater and often make the same mistake twice.
3. one can delude himself into believing "he's won", but in the end the dealer is the one who's running off with his money. (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...)
*cough* gold sellers are making megabucks with botting. The one are bored with the game to begin with are probably the ones that got banned. Its probably why Anet loves to indirectly get rid of them by nerfing a whole bunch of legit farm builds. The people that bots would've otherwise been farming if they don't bot, and since forum people hates both, nerfing legit farms would kill two birds in one stone...until the recent massive surge of PvP bots and slightly more intelligent PvE ones that they can't just attempt to get rid of with a stealth nerf.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

They all get taken care of eventually. It'd be easier if I didn't have to stick with "in the same dist" rules...

prism2525

prism2525

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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I've been playing GW since September 05, and even though I've had my own low interest periods, I just hang back and let it breathe for a while (aka not playing) and play minesweeper with my foot.

Then when my feet start to ache too much I visit GW one again. Rinse and repeat, no need for bots. The closest to botting i've done is adding UT sounds to the game on every kill, but that doesn't give me any extra edge whatsoever.

Eragon Zarroc

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Join Date: Jan 2008

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i probably wouldn't. don't know if i would start gw1 all over, but doubt i would be able to give up on gw2

Godefridus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

I for sure wouldn't forget GW nor GW2.

First off, I have good faith in A-Net for not banning people that didn't do anything that's forbidden according to the EULA And that they are cooperative to un-do a ban in the rare case the ban was in error. So I have good hope that my account will never have to suffer from this.

But even if I would get (mistakenly) banned, my achievements in GW so far are the result of the countless hours of fun that I had while playing GW. Sure, in the proces I also gathered some titles that I wouldn't even have considered to get if there was no HoM or GWAMM title, but even getting most of those was quite fun, if only for continuously giving me a target to work for when being online.

So even though a ban would result in the loss of all those achievements, losing these achievements would not take away the memory of thousands of hours of fun that I had. Though I sure would be quite pissed about loosing an account that I spent quite some bucks on for campaigns, storage, character slots, costumes, etcetera. But on the other side... it's money spend on pixels and once GW2 is released it would be "gone" anyway as I probably won't be giving that much attention to GW anymore.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

I would seriously be annoyed if they would ban me for using a 3rd party program(texmod is the only one in my case) but I could not say I would not start again. Dunno, I just hope they didn't ban me

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

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Quote:
1. Being banned won't stop players from buying a new game.
Nope. If they behave, Anet apparently doesn't mind much, either. I do believe repeat offenders can find themselves IP banned, though...
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2. Being banned won't stop players from cheating again.
I disagree. If they clean up their act, they're welcome back. If they don't, they'll be re-banned. And by now, they'll know Anet is serious about it...
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. Banned players quite often re-purchase the game. It's the whole community thing that is an attraction. Plus they think they have "put one over" on ArenaNet by getting a new account.
Good, Anet gets more money, we get players who I expect will behave a bit better in the future, and they get another chance. If they waste the chance...

Bristlebane

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

I was banned, but only because my account was hacked by chinese gold sellers (and no I never shared my account info and I had an up to date virus scanner)

In fact Anet was very helpful in returning my account when I contacted support even if I had lost my original access codes to the game. All I lost was 500k and a chest armor. So in this case I say THANK YOU Anet for banning my account so quickly when it got hacked, and beging helpful in returning it to me after. I would certainly lose a lot more otherwise :-)

Robin Hood Uk

Robin Hood Uk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England

Masterminds Unite [MU]

R/W

If for some reason I am unable to retrieve my account, I'm sure as hell out of here for the remainder of GW1. 5 years and a few fow sets on, thats really alot I am not willing to earn again.

GW2 depends entirely on how good/bad it is in beta

Songbringer

Songbringer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

E/Me

Why would you want someone who bots in your next game anyway. They ruin it...lol

Highlander Of Alba

Highlander Of Alba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Real Rogue Clan

Rt/Mo

Simply put,

If you did nothing wrong...you have nothing to fear

All this can be smokescreen for guys on various posts re botting

Anet will look at your account if you have nothing to fear thats the crux

So either contact anet if you did nothing wrong and await its return or,

admit defeat and play another game your time is up

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

It took me since maybe a few months after the release of Prophecies for me to get to where I am now. I don't have that much time these days, and I don't have that span of time between now and GW2. I wouldn't be bothering with GW anymore if I was justly permabanned.

Dervish Kid

Dervish Kid

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Florida

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
1. Being banned won't stop players from buying a new game.
2. Being banned won't stop players from cheating again.
3. Banned players quite often re-purchase the game. It's the whole community thing that is an attraction. Plus they think they have "put one over" on ArenaNet by getting a new account.
4. Even 10,000 bans wouldn't affect sales of GW2 in a detrimental manner. It is more likely to encourage people to purchase it, knowing that they won't have to play in a bot-friendly world.
5. ArenaNet has always revisited bans if you have proof you weren't botting.
mmm..good response. More people will buy gw, im sure this mass banning is posted on other MMO forums and sites.

ShaneOfMach

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Was a recent botter, got banned for botting, and I'm happy for it.

I have hopes of seeing GW2 enforcing these policies as well.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by headlesshobbs View Post
...the recent account ban hit you? Some people may be really upset to say #%^# YOU!! and find another MMO to keep themselves busy, but also chance blanking out GW2 altogether.

The response by ANET is welcome and jest, but it makes you wonder how a good portion of the community will react and how it effects profits down the line. There's a saying "Burn me once..."
Hell, it didn't hit me and I'm already at the point where GW2 is 75% blanked.

fireflyry

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

I'd learn from my mistake and move on.

I do sympathise somewhat as it must have been a temptation to take the path of least resistance, and I'd be gutted if I had played for a few years legitimately and had then been foolish enough to let my judgement slip, but at the end of the day rules are rules.

I'd say 90% of those who say they won't buy GW2 will eventually.It's mainly angry reaction at the moment but anger usually dissipates and is replaced with contemplation and reflection at which time I'm sure these players will realise they had nobody to blame but themselves.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
1. Being banned won't stop players from buying a new game.
2. Being banned won't stop players from cheating again.
3. Banned players quite often re-purchase the game. It's the whole community thing that is an attraction. Plus they think they have "put one over" on ArenaNet by getting a new account.
4. Even 10,000 bans wouldn't affect sales of GW2 in a detrimental manner. It is more likely to encourage people to purchase it, knowing that they won't have to play in a bot-friendly world.
5. ArenaNet has always revisited bans if you have proof you weren't botting.
Most of that is true. Many botters [mod edit: removed reference to botting site] are claiming that they don't plan on buying GW2 now, but many are saying the opposite. The truth is that if they liked the game, they'll buy it and maybe even eventually bot in it too. If they only played/botted for profit, then they probably wont care about GW2 unless there's a profit in it for them.

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Originally Posted by Darcy View Post
1. Being banned won't stop players from buying a new game.
2. Being banned won't stop players from cheating again.
3. Banned players quite often re-purchase the game. It's the whole community thing that is an attraction. Plus they think they have "put one over" on ArenaNet by getting a new account.
There's something that I thought many players would have heard about by now, but apparently haven't. A picture is worth a million words, so I'll show you a pic that was sent to me today by a friend of mine who "used" to bot.



They apparently IP traced all of his accounts and got every single one. Even accounts that were borrowed from other players. Thank god I never let him use mine.

You can re-purchase the game all you want, but if your IP is banned, then you'd have to proxy every time you wanted to play GW. And that's not fun.

Raven Wing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

N/

I was slowly starting to have the feeling that if i farmed some item by my own work then there would be 888888 bots farming the same item and overflowing the market with it.
That would remove my incentive to play for economic gain.That is, reducing GW to be just a chatter site among old friends. Even old friends depart or we would go to msn or facebook to keep in touch. Eventually they would leave too, and so would !.
So yes if anet had let these botters live i would eventually have left.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

So I am not sure I agree with the IP ban, if you got banned and buy a new game and have to start over again. Shouldnt you be able to play the game you payed for? Maybe they IP - banned the most serious offenders?

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

This thread made me wander if the OP has been banned.

jazilla

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

i won't ever get banned because i don't mess with a single 3rd party application. it's nice to be able to rest easy. it really saddens me to see all the people who are asking, "will i get banned for this?" or this, or this, or this? just play the game the way it was intended to play. if you don't like the way it is intended to play, don't play it. it's actually quite simple.