War with the Charr, aftermath of Ascalon war

While Kryta's revolution is the current event, we do know in written lore King Adelbern will eventually fall and finally surrender the fate of Ascalon to the Charr invaders. It begs question if we will see this become focus of the next event and what other outcome will take place.

Would you like a chance of fighting with Adelbern one last time? I know I would.

Fighting in the final fall of Ascalon? You bet your ass I'd want in on that...

Sure, Ascalon might be doomed to fall, but I'll take as many of those charr down as I can before it does...

Rin burns! And give me half a chance I'll make sure entire legions of those cursed charr burn too.

Absolutely, bring it on... but we sure as hell better be able to play on the losing side this time... I would absolutely HATE to be shoehorned into playing the charr side (Much as WiK is forcing us to side with the incompetent bumbling fools of The Shining Blade).

The last stand of Ascalon would be an epic way to end GW1 and move onto GW2.

You got banned from Ascalon, remember, together with Rurik, whom you followed over the Shiverpeaks into Kryta.

While I haven't read all of the lore myself, I'm not certain there's anything storywise preventing the player from coming back to Ascalon's aid in it's darkest hour of need. Afterall, we did save them from the Titan invasion.

I'd enjoy it if this was incorporated into the current GW events. It also might make a nice change for our characters to fail a significant part of the storyline (and it would be interesting to actually play through some sort of consequence ready for GW2)

Maybe we get to sneak back in either with the Ebon Vanguard (they didn't betray Ascalon like that traitor Rurik did) or perhaps with the Shining Blade, who did promise to aid Ascalon against the Charr in return for her help against the White Mantle. Also, Factions and Nightfall characters never betrayed Ascalon, even if they later played through the campaign...

I would like to see how Ascalon changes right after Adelbern kicks the bucket, but I guess that's going to wait till GW2 in that area. From what I'd imagine through, all posts get run out and any survivors end up being captured or slaughtered.

What's noteworthy is you came back under direct leadership of a unit who's still under Adelbern's command while they're typically cut off from the main war. It's unknown if word got back that an exiled member was still in service and given any honorable approval.

Brill idea! I would also love that to be the very last extra content that comes out, going back to Ascalon for the last time... (possibly reminding you of your first days on GW )

Im pretty sure all the lore monkeys would love it too.

/signed

Well I did create this thread with the idea someone in dev will catch on.

Ooook, two things to point out:

First, we HAVE been back to Ascalon, as we aider Adelbern himself defend against the titans. I assume a certain amount of pardons can be inferred from the idea

Second, isn't there a bit about Adelbern's last battle in Ascalon (or is it Rinn?) in the storyline piece? About all defenders dieing and becoming ghosts that still persist into GW2?

We've been back to Ascalon a number of times. Once we saved Adelbern from the titans, another time we went with Gwen to find her flute which involved Duke Barradin and Farrah Cappo and there are numerous Charr Battle plans which take you back to Ascalon.

It's safe to say there is plenty of evidence to suggest that we are not banned from Ascalon at all.

If you spoke to Adelbern in Droknar's Forge after defeating the Lich, he does ask you when you're going to come back and aid in the fight against the charr. I don't think he holds it against you that you followed Rurik into Kryta. Especially after you fought at his side to defeat the titans the Lich sent to Ascalon.

Actually I remember him only pointing at Rurik when he kicked us out. :P

I'd like to fight Adelbern, not the other way around
Really, he's so stupid and self-concerned...I'm not surprised at all Ascalon falls totally under the invasion, under his rule...Someone cut his crowned head, please!!!

But if the question could be read as: would you like to fight the charrs again? No thanks, I had enough, we already fight charrs too much in this game from my point of view. How could you make a charr character in gw2 after you spent all your time hunting their population in gw1?

LOL! I like your way of thinking.

Wait what? Why the Adelbern hate? Sure he was proud to the point of arrogance, and that made his decisions seem a little foolhardy... but unlike the King of Kryta, he never betrayed his people with cowardice... he stood and fought, determined to prevail, to rebuild Ascalon, to drive away the charr... Rurik was the traitorous bastard that fled his people in the time of need, leaving Ascalon to the charr.

Hell, even Adelbern's hatred of Kryta for their attacks on Ascalon during The Guild Wars is justified.

I like Adelbern BECAUSE he is stern and resolute... never forgive, never forget... don't back down or run away, make the bastard's pay!

As opposed to Rurik "We must depart while we still have our legs!" who didn't seek vengeance for his lost love, who left captives in the hands of the Charr despite his earlier protestations on the matter and who ultimately betrayed his kingdom and it's people by leaving them to face the charr while he and those cowards who kept his company fled for safety within their enemies lands.

He who runs away, lives to be a worthless coward...

I'd stand by Adlebern to the bitter end, better to die on your feet and all that...

that would be quite interesting if king alderburn showed back up in the story after the war in kryta, we can move to the next event, the fall of ascalon ;-)

Anet already has plans for 3 books to bridge the lore gap from gw1 to gw2 and the first is Ghosts of Ascalon.

That is true, perhaps that makes fighting alongside him more likely. But I have to point out that when returning to fight the Titans it was more for the people of Ascalon then King Adelbern. On the other hand, I pity him for loosing his son, how many sleepless nights must he have suffered through reliving and questioning everytting he said and did that led to their separation.

Yeah, there is. But it's almost 30 years after Ruriks death that he raises his guard from the dead and I doubt we'll be doing much fighting with him then.

And at the same time the people of Ascalon suffer to make those basterds pay. His pride was a tad too big for him to be able to serve his people really well.

As a ghost warrior? No thanks, I quite like my fleshy existance.

I know Adelbern was a man of his word, but while thinking Rurik was a coward, how is he wrong leaving the citizens of Ascalon to suffer a fate worse then Gwen's at the hands of Charr? I don't see right and wrong with this situation, but as two different angles to handling the situation. Adelbern stay to fight the enemy, Rurik to lead the defenseless to safety. Had Rurik not stood up, Ascalon would not have any survivors, then the Charr would have truly won.

Hmm... I see how that could be a problem.

That would be Fcking sweet

To be honest, I hope they do and I hope there will be something going on in Ascalon in the future.

thanks

Actually the answer is here
Rurik was not a coward who fled for his life, he tried to rescue his citizens, and with success, even if at he's own life's cost. In fact the survivors are the ones who went away, while the ones who stayed with Adelbern were slaughtered or imprisoned and what else. So, what did he do good for his people? Many died cause he was too proud to accept there was a way to survive.

Ah, but despite those hardships he was still largely beloved by the people of Ascalon... Rurik's desertion caused more hardship for the people of Ascalon, not counting the prisoners that he left in Charr hands... his cowardice would have been a blow to morale, the men and resource he and his refugees stole from Ascalon in it's hour of need would be even more telling...

What's worse is the number of Ascalon folk that died on the journey to Kryta, and those that made it are now caught up in a violent and bloody civil war between two lying, treacherous and downright murderous factions in Kryta. Should have stayed at home peoples...

Back on topic...

It would be pretty epic if the final bit of Guild Wars beyond content was a holding the wall type scenario, where you get to defend the walls of Ascalon (or perhaps a breach in The Great Wall) against endless hordes of savage charr, with no chance of an actual victory, success being measured by how long you can hold the wall and how many of those mangy charr bastards lie dead by your hand before they finally take you down...

12 man mission vs endless and ever increasing charr mobs.

Make it EPIC Anet!

Oh, and if we can see that bitch Gwen die at the hands of the charr, that would be the icing on the cake. Keiran is too good for her.

See above... Rurik's betrayal all but guaranteed the fall of Ascalon, the exodus did little to preserve Ascalonian lives, not in the long run... the few that weren't butchered by the savage beast and stone summit are now caught in a bloody civil war far from home. The only good thing to come from his cowardice is that he got his head lopped off by an angry little stunty.

Eh, I'm not one for 'different angles' or all this touchy feely shades of grey crap... there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things, and if you aren't with Adelbern then you choose the wrong way. I like Adelbern's single mindedness

It's because of Adelbern's fierce determination that Ascalon is my favorite kingdom in all of Guild Wars...

Long live the King! Even death won't end his stout defense of our fair Ascalon.

No indeed, not even death can stop him. Olias agrees with him that undead armies are a good way to make effective reuse of your forces.

It is hard not to like his show of bravoure and knighthood, but it in a way it is King Adelbern who betrays the people of Ascalon, their love and loyalty, by asking them to defend his pride and his claim to the barren wastelands of Ascalon, to their deaths and beyond.
With pride, singlemindedness and bravoure he avoids facing reality and having to find the courage needed to be able to ask for help and maybe even leave his throne behind in the ashes of a lost kingdom.

Ruriks path saved many Ascalons from the deaths they would have suffered had they stayed with Adelbern. And later it was his group of loyal comrades that not only prevented the Charr from taking the northern strongholds of the Ebon Vanguard, but also managed to start a civil war amongst the Charr, thus saving many more Ascalons from death then they could have, had they stayed with Adelbern.

No, Rurik was right in wanting the Ascalons to flee from their homelands, perhaps it was even fortunate for the people of Ascalon that Adelbern send him away in his prode, for if he hadn't done so it is not certain that Rurik would have gone against his father's wishes.

But, back to the topic, I'm always in for a bit of Charr bashing, even with.

I don't quite understand why, after the defeat of the destroyers, the remaining people of Ascalon do not leave the wastelands of Ascalon and resettle east of the Shiverspeaks, north and south of Longeye's Ledge. We've started a civil war amongst the Charr, who were are already weakened too much to prevent us from taking their strongholds in Grothmar Wardowns and Sacnoth Valley, repeatedly. We've also forged many alliances in the north, with the Norn, formidable hunters, with the Dwarves, sturdy warriors and cunning craftsman, with the Asuran, clever magicians and even with some of the Charr.

The remaining people of Ascalon should have been able to resettle around Longeye's Ledge, with the Asuran, Norn and Dwarven allies to help them and only the weakened and divided Charr to oppose them.

Why was this opportunity was not used? Would that not be worth a story in the game, to bridge the gap to GW2?

Btw, did Gwen turn you down or something?

Who would be interested in that trollop? Now Keiran and his ridiculously huge flower on the other hand...

As for Adelbern/Rurik... I still respect Adelbern's fierce determination, let the charr come, let them burn Ascalon... they'll taste nothing but their own blood, Ascalonian steel and the bitter ashes of our once great land... you'll find no succor here, beasts!

Rurik on the other hand cried "Victory or martyrdom!" followed soon after by "Wait, martyrdom means that I die? Well, that just won't do... run away, run away!"

I judge a man by that which he'll endure to uphold his beliefs... I respect Adelbern as I despise Rurik.

That and Prince Suicide pissed me right off during the betas and earlier preview events...

But back on topic... charr bashing certainly seems like a must for Guild Wars Beyond, but what else do we know about Ascalons fate in the snippets of lore released so far?

Massive Charr invasion. (easy enough done)

The majority of Ascalons survivors flee to Kryta (Again, easy enough to do with our existing maps)

A smaller number flee south and barricade themselves in the Ebonhawke fortress... okies, that will need some map changes and is likely beyond the scope of what can be done in GW: Beyond. Damn shame...

Any other ideas?

Well King Alberdeen, [Spoiler]At the new end area of prophesies campaign, asks the heroes to stop their nonsense and assist against the charr. The heroes can defend him, in Last day dawns (titan quests). [/Spoiler]

Anet could improve the charr battle plans, make them more worthwhile, and with that mechanic add the ongoing war against the char.

As for maps to use
wizard folly area from presearing, Aidens village for example.

presearing catacombs - excavated. or the entrances & chasms leading from it. Charrs attacking from those chasms. Defend Sardelac Sanitarium.

A admittance into the bonus area maps for saul & gwen , attacking the charr camps.

Reason for the Charr "sudden" aggression, Having lost their religious leadership, rather than turning purely into a civil war against each other for the struggle of leadership. They compete.

They use battleglory to qualify for the new elite -thus All ambitious Charr attack the ancestral enemy Ascalonians.

Nolani accademy, except its to defend against waves of charr
Basically all areas with the walls.

Slight WiK Spoiler:





Dialogue with Inquisitor Lashona suggests we might be seeing Ol' King Adelbern sometime in the near future.