Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5
|
Was termination really appropriate?
Ka Tet
Zarion Silverarrow
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
does that mean refresh?
|
PS:I don't agree with you.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
If you want to use that situation then the temp bans would be considered the first offense because of the account mark system. Botting would be murder.
Botting is hacking the game and giving out perma dishonorable isn't a punishment if the botter already got a high enough rank in pvp to get there HoM rewards. The ban was to send an unquestionable message, you bot you get banned. |
And who did I murder? No one. I did not bot on PvP,walking in a town isn't "murder",its walking.
sixdartbart
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
No need to get your post count up by posting what almost every person that agrees with all bans 100% is saying...
We get it,we got banned because EULA said so.Stop repeating it,it ain't necessary since we understand it. If you want to keep posting it,then whatever,but keep in mind your post won't have more effect than the one before similar to yours (with the exeption if someone didn't fully read it or your explaining yourself,etc) but since your post has been posted several times,no need. |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Once again,I repeat myself...
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
as I said like 100 times already
|
That is GREAT advise, why don't you take it.
Telling someone "Stop repeating it,it ain't necessary since we understand it."
Again Great advise
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
when you find a propper way to say I'm wrong without making stuff up,then you'l have my respect
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
BUT,it should be changed. I don't think I deserve a ban for walking around in a town with a bot for 10 seconds....the only advantage I had was not pressing R and moving the camera around
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
I didn't ruin your gaming experience...tell me how walking 20ish steps on remains of salahalajalajla affects you. That is all I did and I was banned.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
I,as an individual,only used 2 bots for 10 seconds each...for a sum of about 20 steps taken in 2 towns...nothing else...all I did was walk around...now tell me,how does that affect your gameplay?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
I only boted with a SS/LB bot and a Stygian (DoA) bot for less than 5 minutes alltogether,so obviously I did not gain 1 gold or 1 tittle point. It was on an alt account,and both my main and alt got banned.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
And I forgot to mention,I did use 2 bots once each on my other account (ss/lb bot and a stygian trapper one)
But only ONCE and my OTHER account |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
The thing is,I just did this to tell others the actions. It was only in 1 account,and atleast I don't lie and admit it.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
but take my word it was less than 5 minutes and it was for the benefit of the people
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
And most of the attacks against me have been using ASSUPMTIONS like that I am lying
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
People were mad at the advantages bots brought over them (ie more gold,tittles,pvp ownage,time for things,etc) but all I did was walk in a town.
|
Something I was told when I was very young that may help you out in the future. {You never have to remember what the truth is}
Now in the nicest way I can find to say it.
Please spare us all of your +1 posts and deal with Anet support, you wanted people opinions, you got them, we can't unban you and for the most part don't believe you should be unbanned.
GOODBYE
Ninja Ninja
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
And who did I murder? No one. I did not bot on PvP,walking in a town isn't "murder",its walking.
|
When you first used the bot you knew it was against the rules and resulted in a ban but you still did it. Even if you only botted for 10 seconds I would still want you banned.
SebaZ
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Exacly what made this happen,prejudice. According to you ,if you used a bot ever,you gained something thus you should be banned....but it didn't cross your mind some people shutted it off before anything happened (thus not cheating)
|
You botters got what you deserved. Let it go.
Zarion Silverarrow
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by sixdartbart
No need to get your post count up by constantly repeating yourself.
That is GREAT advise, why don't you take it. Telling someone "Stop repeating it,it ain't necessary since we understand it." Again Great advise Let me start by making it clear, I have NO interest in your respect, in the interest of not making stuff up I will let you do the talking here, if your own words don't fit your criteria of a proper way to say you are wrong then you are beyond hope. So which is it, These above or these below from your thread that got locked? WOOPS ummm ok sure we will all "take your word for it" How could anyone get the impression that you are lying when your stories are all exactly the same... ohhh wait Thats not what Zarion Silverarrow told us and we should all believe him because he said we should.{ sorry if the two of you disagree} Something I was told when I was very young that may help you out in the future. {You never have to remember what the truth is} Now in the nicest way I can find to say it. Please spare us all of your +1 posts and deal with Anet support, you wanted people opinions, you got them, we can't unban you and for the most part don't believe you should be unbanned. GOODBYE |
2.I see no difference between each posts....All of them sum it up,I used 2 bots on my alt account for less than 5 minutes (to my calculation 20 secondsish max) and got banned in my main...one of them was in remains of salahjaja (ss/lb) and the 2nd in doa (it was a stygian bot,but all I did was walk in GoA and stop it just in time)
----Also I typed that thread with a bit of anger,even so,nothing contradicts what I've been saying-----
3. I know a friend IRL that almost got paired with an ss/lb bot,so yes,only once,but yes i prevented him to get grouped with a bot.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Grj
So you downloaded two bots?
I'm guessing they failed to work also, right? Okay I'm going to call you out: All your anger, frustration and trolling is coming from because you botted... they failed to work and you get your account flaged for a ban. This is where this I only used them for 20 steps is coming from isn't it, because they failed to work. Also I wouldn't be suprised if you and the other people banned trolling the forums have also been banned for language/abuse violations. |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by SebaZ
why would you set up a bot if you're not even gonna use it?
You botters got what you deserved. Let it go. |
Ka Tet
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kharmin
I believe that it can have an impact on elitism in PvE ... sure, I could be wrong. Are bots exclusively to blame for that? No, but I do think that they play a part, so much so that to dismiss the impact of bots on PvE is IMO to be a bit naive.
Thanks for the kudos. I'd sell you the star, but I'm the one on the right w/o one. |
I'm not saying botting is wonderful, but its more preferable than allowing others to decide what you do on your pc with products you bought. Legislation of behavior is never a good thing.
pumpkin pie
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Umm...yes this is what it all is about.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
I'm not saying botting is wonderful, but its more preferable than allowing others to decide what you do on your pc with products you bought. Legislation of behavior is never a good thing.
|
Ninja Ninja
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
People who will act as though they are better than you will do so with or without a green star. I would think that Bots would actually lessen that, b/c there would be lots of green star bots, and green stars would become cheaper so that everyone who wanted one could have one.
I'm not saying botting is wonderful, but its more preferable than allowing others to decide what you do on your pc with products you bought. Legislation of behavior is never a good thing. |
Risus
If you bot, you get banned. End of story. I have no remorse for them because the botters were directly and intentionally violating the EULA.
Inde
Stop with the personal attacks. We have been lenient so far but if I see more insults, more flaming, more personal attacks you will be banned.
Pugs Not Drugs
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep
that post by Pugs Not Drugs was biggest troll post ever by the way. and all of you bought it.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Eh possible. I only care because people keep comparing him to me...he boted for several hours,and admits it. I boted for <5 mins,didn't gain anything,and admit it....I see no difference there
|
Zarion Silverarrow
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
So if you haven't gotten ban, you would have walk out of the town and start botting, wouldn't you?
|
Anyways I'm kind of tired...so if anyone wants to reply to me just read the previous posts,because as you can see from pumpkin,not everyone is reading what I say....
cebalrai
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
1. What I said about repeating myself was that I will only repeat if someone says something that contradicts what I said...or that that person didn't understand,etc...but people keep bringing the EULA to my face when I already admit I was rightfully banned.
2.I see no difference between each posts....All of them sum it up,I used 2 bots on my alt account for less than 5 minutes (to my calculation 20 secondsish max) and got banned in my main...one of them was in remains of salahjaja (ss/lb) and the 2nd in doa (it was a stygian bot,but all I did was walk in GoA and stop it just in time) ----Also I typed that thread with a bit of anger,even so,nothing contradicts what I've been saying----- 3. I know a friend IRL that almost got paired with an ss/lb bot,so yes,only once,but yes i prevented him to get grouped with a bot. IDK if the bot worked,I didnt test it for more than walking in town. And I've never been banned from GW before. Because I took back my actions just in time. Setting up the bots took less than 2 minutes. |
Your rationalization of "I only botted for a few minutes" is laughable. Nobody believes you for one. And you're still guilty as hell of willfully installing bot clients on your computer.
You deserve to be banned. Bye.
cormac ap dunn
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by sixdartbart
No need to get your post count up by constantly repeating yourself.
That is GREAT advise, why don't you take it. Telling someone "Stop repeating it,it ain't necessary since we understand it." Again Great advise Let me start by making it clear, I have NO interest in your respect, in the interest of not making stuff up I will let you do the talking here, if your own words don't fit your criteria of a proper way to say you are wrong then you are beyond hope. So which is it, These above or these below from your thread that got locked? WOOPS ummm ok sure we will all "take your word for it" How could anyone get the impression that you are lying when your stories are all exactly the same... ohhh wait Thats not what Zarion Silverarrow told us and we should all believe him because he said we should.{ sorry if the two of you disagree} Something I was told when I was very young that may help you out in the future. {You never have to remember what the truth is} Now in the nicest way I can find to say it. Please spare us all of your +1 posts and deal with Anet support, you wanted people opinions, you got them, we can't unban you and for the most part don't believe you should be unbanned. GOODBYE |
Zehnchu
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Is it that hard to think this:
Ban a first timer,little time botting person for 2 weeks,he does it again,perma ban. Everyones thinking;either perma ban,or alot of 2 week bans...just mix em up,it ain't that hard to have an idea yourself. |
Some of these people who have been banned have been around for a long time and they should take it that if they didn’t get banned in the last round of bans then that was their second chance to shape up and don’t do it. However as you and other have seen they ignored there second chance and continued.
While it may seem to be unfair what they did is the correct course of action to take while people have ignored the warnings. And going through support make take time and be a huge pain in the butt, however it also helps filter people who know they did wrong and deserve the ban less likely to put time in trying to get their account back.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
As I said... my botting incident was long ago,I deleted everything,long before the ban. So,no,I wouldn't.
|
Rocky Raccoon
I would really like to believe that all the people who say they did nothing wrong were being truthful. Being that I am 25 years old (really 62), 6'5" and 225 lbs (really 5'10: and 225 lbs}, blond hair and clean shaven (white hair and full beard), I hope you have my point by now. The only one I really know about on this forum is me, but I like to think that you are all basically good people. Anonymity is a strange entity that allows people to be who they are not. I once read that 10% of the population is crazy and none of you know which percent I belong to.
pumpkin pie
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
As I said... my botting incident was long ago,I deleted everything,long before the ban. So,no,I wouldn't.
Anyways I'm kind of tired...so if anyone wants to reply to me just read the previous posts,because as you can see from pumpkin,not everyone is reading what I say.... |
cormac ap dunn
Zarion here is a little good news for you, you may never get that account back, but if you are planning on playing with integrity this time heres your shot
I think Anet is confident that the cheating will be under control and that their new methods of detection are solid. We can assume that if you are sorry, and you have learned from your mistake, this will provide you with a chance at redemption. That said, if people decide they like botting too much to give it up, its their money to waste.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
If you purchase a brand new account, our Support Team will not take action on your account (i.e. ban it) so long as this new account remains free of any incidents requiring action from the Support Team. If you engage in activity that goes against the User Agreement and you are reported for it, this will attract the attention of the Support Team, at which point, they will take action if your account is found to have broken the User Agreement.
|
Zarion Silverarrow
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
I see. my condolences then, try to plea your case, cos explaining here to us won't help you.
|
If I learned anything from my favorite movie (Shawshank Redemption) is that if you annoy the big guys enough,you'l get what you want...I plan to send a mail every month or so...they won't respond but they'l have to see it in their mail list
Bob Slydell
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Thanks...nothing from A-net/ncsoft...just that canned response everyone's talking about...anyways I'm at that point were I can't be bothered to try...I tried to explain my best to the community and mostly got arrogance and assumptions...some arguments were good though and I admit it,but mostly not.
If I learned anything from my favorite movie (Shawshank Redemption) is that if you annoy the big guys enough,you'l get what you want...I plan to send a mail every month or so...they won't respond but they'l have to see it in their mail list |
cormac ap dunn
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
If I learned anything from my favorite movie (Shawshank Redemption) is that if you annoy the big guys enough,you'l get what you want...I plan to send a mail every month or so...they won't respond but they'l have to see it in their mail list
|
" Please note that this is the final communication we will be giving in response to this appeal. Subsequent communication about this matter will be closed without response.
Take care,
Lead GM Oghma
The Guild Wars Support Team"
the mailing won't get you anywhere.
Hollygen
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
People who will act as though they are better than you will do so with or without a green star. I would think that Bots would actually lessen that, b/c there would be lots of green star bots, and green stars would become cheaper so that everyone who wanted one could have one.
I'm not saying botting is wonderful, but its more preferable than allowing others to decide what you do on your pc with products you bought. Legislation of behavior is never a good thing. |
He can now buy that highly priced rare red star he wants.
The non-botter also wants the red star, and puts in a bid. The green star botter can out-bid the non-botter, due to his income from botting.
The price of red stars goes up in line with market forces. The number of non-botters who can now afford red stars diminishes
PVE is impacted.
Just look at the prices in the High End forum, and see the impact easy money has on an economy. Now I'm not saying everyone in High End is a botter, by all means, but I'm pretty sure that botting has contributed to that
insta111
I don't know why everyone is complaining about the canned response. Seeing as how this went down just a few days ago, the few people still on GW1 are most likely flooded with emails to respond to.
Ka Tet
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Hollygen
The green star botter gets lots of green stars. He makes his money selling his green stars to the non green star botters...and because of his stockpile can make a lot of money.
He can now buy that highly priced rare red star he wants. The non-botter also wants the red star, and puts in a bid. The green star botter can out-bid the non-botter, due to his income from botting. The price of red stars goes up in line with market forces. The number of non-botters who can now afford red stars diminishes PVE is impacted. Just look at the prices in the High End forum, and see the impact easy money has on an economy. Now I'm not saying everyone in High End is a botter, by all means, but I'm pretty sure that botting has contributed to that |
Red star botters = more red stars, the number of non-botters who can now afford red stars increases.
Add in the ecto botters, the price of ectos decreases, also effectively lowering the cost of high end items.
Greater supply in a deflationary market = everybody wins.
Also, you probably don't want to rely on guru forum prices when making purchases.
cormac ap dunn
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
Ummm... you missed a few factors.
Red star botters = more red stars, the number of non-botters who can now afford red stars increases. Add in the ecto botters, the price of ectos decreases, also effectively lowering the cost of high end items. Greater supply in a deflationary market = everybody wins. Also, you probably don't want to rely on guru forum prices when making purchases. |
Ka Tet
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn
you missed a few factors as well, the people that bot said ectos also buy up said ectos to horde on there illicitly funded accounts, to buy even more high end items thus driving up the costs of said high end items so that only the botters who farmed the ectos they now horde can afford them (use these forums high end section for examples), funny thing about a market saturated with an item used as currency, eventually the only people that have the majority of that currency are the people who supply it
|
If they're hoarding ectos, high end prices drop because supply dramatically increases. If they're spending them, ectos become cheaper by extension the high end items bought with ecto cost less b/c ecto costs less. If they are hoarding and spending in equal number, there is no effect.
Phaern Majes
Zomg, think of the poor poor helpless ectos just sitting in those now abandoned xunlai storage compartments. Plz Anet give me 5 minutes alone with said compartments 
Heh I also like the sudden increase in members with "Ascalonian Squire" under their names.
Heh I also like the sudden increase in members with "Ascalonian Squire" under their names.
cormac ap dunn
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
Are they hording ectos or injecting them into the economy by buying things with them? You can have either a net decrease or a net increase, you cannot have a net increase and decrease simultaneously. Since I know what I just said is going to confuse you, I will try to make this as clear as possible. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 50 ecto, there is no effect they balance out. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 75 ecto, 25 new ecto hit the market. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 25 ecto, 25 existing ecto leave the market.
If they're hoarding ectos, high end prices drop because supply dramatically increases. If they're spending them, ectos become cheaper by extension the high end items bought with ecto cost less b/c ecto costs less. If they are hoarding and spending in equal number, there is no effect. |
ZainAhmed
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Nerel
You didn't read about what the bot actually did before you downloaded and used it? You had to have a clue that it would give you an unfair advantage in PvP, right?
If the answer is 'Yes' then yes, you did realize that you were doing something terribly wrong. I understand what you're mean when you say that you saw how effective the bot was and decided not to use it, that is almost a commendable decision... but loyalty? No, the loyal players are the ones that knew better than to ever touch a bot. Sorry. Have you been in contact with NCsoft support? If you honestly only used the bot long enough to d-shot half a dozen times they very well might overturn your permanent ban or reduce it to something less severe. |
How can you know better if you have NEVER used a bot...i mean never. Do I have proof of that? No. Should arena net have proof of my bot activity? Yes. Should that indicate my "rejection" of bots. Yes. Will I get my account back? Hell no. There are too many people banned for NCsoft or Anet to handle.
So yes I have been in contact and the final message I got is basically sounds like this..." We don't care what you did, you used it once or even someone used it once on your account, end of story...bye bye."
Even a few of my friends who like me used it out of curiosity but we thought we wouldn't be detected if you don't use it that much or even ever again. Another reason that did lead me to use the bot, I remember now, was syncers in RA which was frustrating but still it was wrong to use it.
cormac ap dunn
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by ZainAhmed
How can you know better if you have NEVER used a bot...i mean never. Do I have proof of that? No. Should arena net have proof of my bot activity? Yes. Should that indicate my "rejection" of bots. Yes. Will I get my account back? Hell no. There are too many people banned for NCsoft or Anet to handle....
Even a few of my friends who like me used it out of curiosity but we thought we wouldn't be detected if you don't use it that much or even ever again. Another reason that did lead me to use the bot, I remember now, was syncers in RA which was frustrating but still it was wrong to use it. |
And yes, I'm sure like everyone who was banned, you never thought YOU would be caught. its sad that hindsight is 20/20. but you now have the knowledge and experience to learn right from wrong, make something good come of this, learn from it. you cheated, even just that once, you lost your account, but you don't have to lose your ability to learn and bring that to the next game. good luck to you in whatever you do next.
Femmefatal
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
It would seem that by not effectively curtailing the issue sooner, Anet and NC actually helped to fuel the fire. I would imagine that if you were playing HA or GVG and constantly getting bot-raped, or doing comp mishes and watching the same bots ruin your team's chances of winning on a regular basis, and see those people allowed to engage in that behavior over and over with no repercussions, I would think that some would turn to interrupt-bots to even the score in higher end pvp or use their own bots to afk farm the small faction rewards they were getting from matches ruined by the original botters.
Just my two cents. Thought I'd throw them in before this post gets closed. |
Another is: Birds of a feather flock together
Another is: If you dance you eventually have to pay the fiddler.
willie nelson
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
As I said... my botting incident was long ago,I deleted everything,long before the ban.
|
It's funny how everyone who got banned here "only tried it once for 2 minutes"...
ousbique
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by willie nelson
It's funny how everyone who got banned here "only tried it once for 2 minutes"...
|
Zarion Silverarrow
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by willie nelson
It's funny how everyone who got banned here "only tried it once for 2 minutes"...
|
No,you are lying,you used it for 5 years,so you were banned. No-no-no-NO!!!!! you used it for 5 years LALRLALLALALALALALLALALALALLRLALLALAL.
Once again,I respect (with some exeptions) the people that think I shouldn't be unbanned. But if you are not going to belive me,you can't judge what I did,because well,you don't know what I did (since I'm lying according to you)
BuD
Well if you were caught with an aimbot/wallhack or w/e on my UT2k4 server Id ban you & never lift the ban. Even if it was because you wanted to see how it worked & you uninstalled it. If you got a new GUID Id IP ban you. I'd do everything I could to keep you off my server. You tried to cheat, I dont like cheaters, go play else where.
IMO same thing applies here, you cheated, youre banned. Go play else where.
IMO same thing applies here, you cheated, youre banned. Go play else where.
Femmefatal
When you tell the truth of what you did an admit your guilt no you are not lying. When you cry innocense and foul then yes you are lying just like you probably did growing up to your mommy and daddy when your butt was in trouble. You must know by now from just common law the guilty normally get no symphathy for any crime. To prison with all of them or in this case ban them for life as that is a good punishment for using anything but Anet material. I never agreed with any 3rd party programs good or bad because of what is happening now. Guilty are claiming they said it was ok to use thus n such 3d program. Never having allowed any this couldn't be happening now.
Ka Tet
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn
quite frankly "sir" i won't insult your "intelligence" by pointing out that hoarded ectos cannot Dramatically Increase supply, as they are taken out of circulation, and the first bolded statement? bit of a jab at my comprehension eh? classy... so, I'll slow things down for you a bit too, who buys the high end items? botters, who sells the high end items? the botters, who needs the ectos for the high end items? you guessed it, the botters... now where are all those economy balancing ectos at? botters accounts perhaps? guess what, effectivly no botter has helped our economy. Finally in one last stroke of greed and sloth, botters hit the economy in a very interesting way, the simple act of existing and being banned took several unique, rare and irreplaceable items out of the game. Effectivly driving the price of the remaining rare and unique items even higher then before, so was this not a negative impact caused by breaching the EULA? |
You did get one thing very right. When botters were banned, many items did leave the economy with them. You make an interesting point I did not think of. As demonstrated, while in the game botters had a favorable effect on the economy. It was only when they were banned, that negative circumstances arose.
untitled2005
Nice ban. Botters deserve nothing less. Ban their new accts too.
Zarion Silverarrow
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Femmefatal
When you tell the truth of what you did an admit your guilt no you are not lying. When you cry innocense and foul then yes you are lying just like you probably did growing up to your mommy and daddy when your butt was in trouble. You must know by now from just common law the guilty normally get no symphathy for any crime. To prison with all of them or in this case ban them for life as that is a good punishment for using anything but Anet material. I never agreed with any 3rd party programs good or bad because of what is happening now. Guilty are claiming they said it was ok to use thus n such 3d program. Never having allowed any this couldn't be happening now.
|
They ask him,he says he did.
He's lying.
Being "honest"and taking the guilt upon oneself does not mean you are lying. Whether or not it is for a good cause is irrelevant,its still lying even if its a "good" lie.
Now saying the truth of what you did and saying what you think should be your punishment,is not lying.
Basicly,what most of people on guru belive,is that if you say you boted for 5 minutes you are lying,if you say you never boted and got banned you are lying,if you say "I'l be honest,I boted for 5 years. I'm sorry but I accept then ban" THEN you are saying the truth,even if it isn't the truth,and even if the other guys were telling the truth nonetheless.
TLDR: You are giving credit to those that over-boted and admit it,and are making guilty of those curious boters that admit it.
Props on something though,A-net shouldn't allow any 3rd party program. If it was like that,maybe not so much people would'v been sucked in. This,ofc,is still not A-net's fault.