In PvE. Otherwise that's going back into my "useless and worthless pile of junk" every time I look at it in the skills list.
I guess it's just a matter of time before all or most of the skills that were changed are nerfed.
Un-nerf Mind Wrack for PvE
Cuilan
Shayne Hawke
Roll your other PvE-OP Mesmer shit that you just were given a truckload of.
/nothanks
/nothanks
00039
Hell no. I'll even say that mesmers didn't even need the buffs in the first place especially compared to dervs and paragons.
Cuilan
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Roll your other PvE-OP Mesmer shit that you just were given a truckload of.
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I thought people learned that lesson. Guess not.
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Hell no. I'll even say that mesmers didn't even need the buffs in the first place especially compared to dervs and paragons.
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FoxBat
Not really seeing how overload + mind wrack was much different from discord/necrosis spam dps. There's a reason its nerfed in PvP, and also a reason PvE has largely moved on.
Shayne Hawke
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Instead of nerfing something into oblivion they could have at least kept the skill somewhat useful.
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Cuilan
Mesmers have a lot of hexes.
Del
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Roll your other PvE-OP Mesmer shit that you just were given a truckload of.
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
Instead of nerfing something into oblivion they could have at least kept the skill somewhat useful.
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Cuilan
Learn from history, the mesmer nerf train won't stop for anyone.
distilledwill
Mesmers do have a lot of hexes. But they also have a lot of non-hex skills.
Not every skill can be an all powerful one hit button kill switch (not that it ever was, but it was very powerful). As people have said, its still considerably more powerful than it was before, just be happy with that.
Not every skill can be an all powerful one hit button kill switch (not that it ever was, but it was very powerful). As people have said, its still considerably more powerful than it was before, just be happy with that.
Reverend Dr
mind wrack was nerfed?
this is sarcasm fyi
this is sarcasm fyi
ajc2123
What are you talking about man. Its a cheaper non elite mirror of ice for mesmers.... I see nothing wrong with this skill.
Eragon Zarroc
they didn't nerf it to oblivion. you can find something else to run. it's not going to get unerfed. Saying that you want it to get unerfed so you can take advantage of the overpowered skill isn't exactly a vaild reason to unerf something. 
Fate Crusher
For a simple monthly fee, Anet can deliver a customised Mind Wrack direct to your lair under a bridge.
Stop asking and start appreciating. Anet and the Test Krewe did a great job to make Mesmers fun to play in PvE (question PvP crossover...) and yet you're complaining that mind wrack isn't strong enough? I thought things pop quicker than they lose energy in PvE anyways...
/notsigned
Stop asking and start appreciating. Anet and the Test Krewe did a great job to make Mesmers fun to play in PvE (question PvP crossover...) and yet you're complaining that mind wrack isn't strong enough? I thought things pop quicker than they lose energy in PvE anyways...
/notsigned
wilebill
I had not had a chance to use it in my PvE build. In general I do not like nerfs for any reason whatever. If the skills worked for the test crew, then they should work for the general game populace ... except that the general game populace has a high population of nerf birds. Easier to ask for nerfs than to learn how to play.
Smarty
I preferred it as it was between last week's buff and this week's nerf. It rewarded focussing on one enemy and spiking them (and the rest of the enemies balled up with them) down/shutting them down, which is a playstyle that the mesmer previously lacked and is one which works very well in HM PvE. Now that hexes such as Panic and Empathy no longer trigger it, hey ho back we go to tabbing through the off targets and hexing them instead, which isn't as valuable. Please revert for PvE.
ajc2123
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I had not had a chance to use it in my PvE build. In general I do not like nerfs for any reason whatever. If the skills worked for the test crew, then they should work for the general game populace ... except that the general game populace has a high population of nerf birds. Easier to ask for nerfs than to learn how to play.
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Everyone's human. I play a mesmer and I found Mind wrack to be too powerful.
Shayne Hawke
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Learn from history, the mesmer nerf train won't stop for anyone.
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Lanier
OK, so ill admit that it wasnt nerfed to oblivion... but really now. Does anyone here actually believe that a mind wrack that activated on Wastrel's worry, wastrel's demise, etc. is overpowered in PvE? The nerf may have been a minor one but it still was an unnecessary nerf for a skill that didnt need one.
/signed for OP's suggestion
/signed for OP's suggestion
Coast
omg wow, mind wrack still is very strong, stop crying
Essence Snow
Pretty sure the main issue here is PvE skills being changed b/c of PvP issues. Ofc it makes sense to change things for the masses b/c few cry so loud. /sarcasm
Rugar
You want return a non-elite skill to elite power? no thanks.
/notsigned
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Lanier
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omg wow, mind wrack still is very strong, stop crying
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Like I said before, I dont think this is a very big issue. It really isnt all that big of a deal. Its not anything to cry about. What I am saying is that the skill was not overpowered in PvE, and yet it was nerfed there anyways because of issues in PvP. That just doesnt make sense... at all.
Axel Zinfandel
I was of the impression that Mind Wrack was abused primarily with non-hex skills anyway. what's the big deal?
Ranger Jaap
buff the damage remove the - energy and damage per damage loss
Del
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What are you talking about man. Its a cheaper non elite mirror of ice for mesmers.... I see nothing wrong with this skill.
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I preferred it as it was between last week's buff and this week's nerf. It rewarded focussing on one enemy and spiking them (and the rest of the enemies balled up with them) down/shutting them down, which is a playstyle that the mesmer previously lacked and is one which works very well in HM PvE. Now that hexes such as Panic and Empathy no longer trigger it, hey ho back we go to tabbing through the off targets and hexing them instead, which isn't as valuable. Please revert for PvE.
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OK, so ill admit that it wasnt nerfed to oblivion... but really now. Does anyone here actually believe that a mind wrack that activated on Wastrel's worry, wastrel's demise, etc. is overpowered in PvE? The nerf may have been a minor one but it still was an unnecessary nerf for a skill that didnt need one.
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omg wow, mind wrack still is very strong, stop crying
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I was of the impression that Mind Wrack was abused primarily with non-hex skills anyway. what's the big deal?
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Cuilan
And there's always someone to turn it down because they're too cool.
Del
Yeah, i'm too cool to let myself be baed and just whine for buffs/reverts instead of just using different skills/modifying my builds to deal with skill changes.
The Drunkard
MW needs a complete rollback in pvp, it's still OP as hell.
It's fine the way it is in pve
/notsigned
It's fine the way it is in pve
/notsigned
SunfallE
/notsigned
The skill is still plenty strong enough.
The skill is still plenty strong enough.
Cuilan
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Yeah, i'm too cool to let myself be baed and just whine for buffs/reverts instead of just using different skills/modifying my builds to deal with skill changes.
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Del
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Dealing with changes and not agreeing with them are too different things. In this case, the change was completely unnecessary.
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HawkofStorms
Hell, and here I was using mindwreck pre nerf patch with interrupts.
Oh wait, my build is still just as good as before.... Clearly not "nerfed to oblivion."
Oh wait, my build is still just as good as before.... Clearly not "nerfed to oblivion."
Skye Marin
The nerf was necessary because of the 1/4 cast spammable spells and that it stacked strongly with Soul Barbs.
Terrible Surgeon
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Mesmers have a lot of hexes.
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Cuilan
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The nerf was necessary because of the 1/4 cast spammable spells and that it stacked strongly with Soul Barbs.
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pinkeyflower
The current iteration is fine as is, abuse other OP stuff.
Del
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Nobody that I know of uses Soul Barbs in PvE.
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Terrible Surgeon
NERF IT MORE IMHO....PvP it is still Op. Get two mind surge mesmers in 4v4 arena and you are screwed if you are a monk. Weapon swap or not. They will catch you in a wep swap eventually then you are totally screwed..MY ENERGY IS 0 OF 71!!!! Hi, im your useless dying monk!!!!!
Cuilan
I would have titled this thread differently if I knew that people wouldn't read the thread and that I can't change the thread title.