Syncing RA

Is syncing RA something that can be banned? If i sync with people, or rather Attempt to sync...is that bannable? Please give a GOOD answer to this.



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It's not bannable for as far as I know. They might try to 'nerf' syncing again but more they won't/can do since it's either impossible to be sure (not same guilds) or accedently, unlike botting which is obvious.

But why sync, go Codex, GvG or HA if you wanna make your own groups and be fair ^^

Thanks, I do gVg and HA but never codex. Im just wondering how else a guy is expected to progress to the upper levels of the gladiator title without spending 10 years doing RA "the right way?" TA was removed, so people that are g8+ have no hopes of becoming g10-g12 if they do not sync. Would be like HA having a starter arena to learn how to HA then having HA removed. This would leave people with the starter arena and would require them to sync it to achieve a higher rank.

I hate to say it but syncing is not a sin in my eyes if you are a high ranked glad person wanting to progress the title.

Though I don't like your attitude when you state that you want a GOOD answer, you should be happy with the help you get, I'll try to answer it in a GOOD way, hope I don't fail.

No, you can not be banned for syncing. It's a matter of pushing enter battle at the right time. You can try to sync with people from other guilds aswell, there will not be a way to detect that. So thought its lame if you do so, and Anet isn't so happy about it either, and probably will try to do something against it, as far as I know you can not be banned for it. But again, why would you want to know? It's sad and its cheating.

Wait a second . They said they've banned people for match manipulation too . As far as I know , syncing is kind of a match manipulation . :\

There you go, it's officially recognized as a bug and people who sync are exploiting it... but don't worry, Anet fixed the bug!

Also I seem to remember Gaile commenting on the sync issue on her wiki space... pretty sure she called it cheating.

So yes, it's and exploit, yes it's a bannable offense according to the EULA, no I haven't seen (or expect to see) a rash of sync bans.

for all we know, many people could already be "dead", remember that they said we could be banned at any time in the future for something. We aren't necessarily going to be banned right away for a violation, so nobody can figure out the techniques they use for determining cheating/exploiting. Wouldn't it be funny if all the people who did ha red resign has already been marked for a future ban and they're just waiting for the best time to hit the ban button? Theoretically from what they've said so far, they very well could do so with impunity.

Someone just asked this, albeit it was probably in the wrong forum.

GOOD answer meaning the information came from a reputable source and is not hearsay or opinion. Does that make more sense to you now?

As far as cheating goes. What about the people who were g8 because they did TA and are expected to work on their titles now via RA..you try getting 2k points doing RA without syncing and see how far you get. It is my opinion that Anet cheated people when they removed TA and did not fix the title track. RA and TA were linked.....something should have been done to RA and how it is ran to compensate for the removal of TA.
So syncing RA is not cheating in my opinion. It is a necessity when you are a g8 trying for g9. Cheaters are people that bot and purposely lose for some sort of benefit. People that enter a RA match and /resign immediately or leave immediately before the timer starts are just as big of not worse cheaters than syncers.Not to mention, YOU STILL HAVE TO WIN EVEN AFTER COMPLETING A SUCCESSFUL SYNC.

You are allowed to have any opinion you wish, but your opinion does not matter in GW. Only ArenaNet's opinion matters. At the moment, while they are not happy about the syncing situation, they have not found a definite way to counter it or detect it. When they do, heads might roll - and not just those of the ones syncing at that time.

what fail. syncing isn't cheating because the title is hard to get now that ta is gone? does not compute. syncing is cheating no ifs ands or buts.

So then people that sync JQ, FA, and AB are cheaters too? I think its a good group/guild activity. Like i said, even if a sync is successful, the syncers still need to win. In actuality, i dont sync, but im thinking it would be nice to do once in awhile for fun with guildies. Also, anet created the problem with the RA syncers. Instead of punishing them they should fix the format to make it more title friendly.

FFS, u get 1 fame point for 1 win in HA. And no, beating the zaishen is not a win, the first round of HA isn't even pvp. However, u need 5 consecutive wins in RA to get 1 point, and every match is PvP.

The glad title was linked to TA and RA, removing TA was like amputating a leg off of a person and then not giving the dude a prosthetic leg. Now you have a bunch of one legged people hopping around without even a crutch to lean on. Something should have been reformatted to compensate the glad title track when TA was removed. It is Anets fault that syncing has become a problem and they should have seen it coming when they considered removing TA.

You call syncing a crime, i call it a necessity for the higher ranked gladiators. A good metaphor for the syncing/cheating might help explain my point of view. If your family is starving (glad title) because the government (Anet) took your food supply (TA) away is it wrong to get food (glad points) by stealing (syncing) it to feed your family?

Nerel gave you an answer already. You will not convince most of us and I do not believe you will be able to convince ANET even less their support. You got your answer - it is cheating. Please do not come here later on that you got banned and are innocent. It is your decision and your risk. If something happens be prepared to face the consequences. From what I saw in the banned threads it seems some syncers were banned already (thought I am not sure if for syncing per se and it was just a coincidence that botters were also syncers.).

Syncing in RA is a way to exploit the fact that different people can push the enter battle button together to bypass the random factor of RA, thus playing it not in the way it was intended to. As far as the titles are concerned, IMHO their introduction was a huge mistake, whose price we are now paying, because the srs bsnss attitude, syncing and botting of RA come from the presence of the title.

I agree that TA shoudn't have been removed, perhaps they could have removed the glad title from RA, keeping it in TA to bring more people in it, i don't know. However, even if this is true, this doesn't mean that syncing is right. It's like saying "the government policy regarding the class of workers i belong to was completely wrong, it's hard for us to reach the 3rd week, so we are allowed to rob" (hoping that my awful english didn't screw up the meaning of the example). If ANet have done something that hurt you, this doesn't mean you should hurt the other players for it.

If TA is gone, this simply mean that your title will grow at a lower pace than before.

But you yourself just called it cheating

You can call it a chocolate chip cookie if you want to but it is still CHEATING and you already know it!
Your real question here is if this is a form of CHEATING that you will be able to continue to get away with, the answer is probably. {do you really want to bet your account on it?}

Be sure and post an update if you get perma banned the day after you get R-10.

I don't think it is cheating when people resign or leave before timer when they get a necro with 110hp. I call it having standards. If its available in the game, and third party programs are not being used, I would call it utilizing your resources.

its really that simple... if it makes you feel better, then keep trying to justify your actions

The point is the randomness of RA. I totally agree with having standards in organized play: if i want to create a team for TA (let's suppose it still exists), HA or GvG, or if i want to join such a team, i will have to choose some standards or to accept the standards of the team. If you don't want to accept my standard, then you can play with another team, that fits better your playstyle (generic "you").

But i fail to see a sense for the concept of "standard" in RA. It's random, there can't be any standard. If you find a new guy who tries PvP for the first time, what does he know about the standard? If you find someone who wants to try something new (= out of the standards) and fun how can you call him wrong? RA should be a place where to play only for the fun of it, there are other places where to play seriously, where to grind titles (yes, there is no place where to grind the glad title, but the problem isn't with the people who play RA).

Sorry, i've got nothing against you, but i simply don't agree with this. Just to make an example, those people that exploited the glitch that allowed them to farm Duncan without killing the other bosses were using a tool that was available in the game (shadow stepping across a wall) and they weren't using any third party program. They where utilizing their resources, but i don't think that what they did was fair at all.

Random arena grew standards the day TA was removed. TA players were forced to go to RA to further their titles and thus an increase in experienced players occurred in an arena designed for the beginner PvPer, experimenters, and LoL searchers. The title grinders are generally easily irritated by the "new" or "experimenting" players and they rage them until they leave the team or they themselves rage quit.
Like it or not, RA is not perfect, I don't frown on syncing, and i don't blame people for wanting to sync if they are higher ranked. If anything, the sync teams are showing "NEW" pvpers what a good balanced team looks like.
After reading other threads, it has been said that syncing is too hard to prove and that hitting enter at the same time as a friend isn't wrong. Many people call it cheating, I call it strategically using you resources.

I think this is true (however there were problems even before TA was removed, the killing of TA made things grew worse, though).

I do. The title isn't meant to be maxed, and if you have an high rank, this already shows that you are experienced in the arena gamestyle. If you want to make the title grow even more because you like it, it's your choice, but you won't obtain advantages any more from the title, so you have no reason to hurt other people while going on with the grind. Grinding glads in RA is very slow. Accept it.

Already answered on this in one of my previous post. I call it playing a game in the way it wasn't intended, to have an unfair advantage over those who play it in the "right" way, cheating on the fact that it's very difficult to prove. Hitting the button at the same time isn't wrong if that happens incidentally, but it's wrong if you do that by purpose. And this is precisely what's difficult to prove.

However, as you said before, the problem doesn't lie in the "start battle" button mechanics, but in the reasons that make people sync.

If someone is higher ranked gladiators, shouldn't they already be good in RA?

If someone thinking they are higher ranked, but cannot even cope in a lower ranked arena, how the hell they deserved the higher ranked title?

And why do you ask the question? You seem to have already formed an opinion on the subject.

The thing is, everyone can play RA, get wins equally easily when everyone abides by the rules of entering RA RANDOMLY WITHOUT SYNC. Because some small population of scumbags discovered sync, TA was remove because RA was overrun with Sync team resulting in - players who do not sync, can't play, and no one even wants to attempt TA because RA sync was much easier.

ArenaNet did not cause TA to be remove, synchers did. and now you want to resort to sync?

I can see it now, RA removed, and Gladiator title removed. Is that what you want? Like Heroes Battle.

Really? I thought TA was removed because of the 'broken meta'.

What broken meta?

If there's a broken meta, whats the different of bringing the broken meta and sync into RA? no different.

Really, who told you that? In comparison to HERO rank and CHAMP rank it is about the same. Given not everyone is in a 1200 rating guild. However, i think this is your opinion that it is not meant to be maxed. If you are a hardcore pvper rather than a casual pvper or pver you could have maxed it pretty easy by now if TA was never removed.
What about other titles like the wisdom title track in pve, that title being maximized seems more unattainable that gladiator. However, people can buy rank in pve. Thisis exactly why title should not have been introduced like the wisdom title. If you can buy a title, it is not meaningful and carries no weight with the community.
People syncing are not buying their title, they still need to win and often do lose even though they get a good sync.
You think everyone gets wins equally if they enter "correctly?" Give me a break. You are way off on that claim. A total noob entering RA has a lower chance of getting wins and lowers his teams chance of getting wins. You are assuming everyone is on the same skill level, that would be the only way to say everyone gets the same chance of winning. And no, Skill level is not equally and randomly allocated in RA. Can you randomly allocate skill level in an equal manner? LMFAO...that's just dumb to think.
TA was removed because of broken Meta, syncers were not the leading cause of it being removed. Also, i can think of bigger scumbags in the game. At the least, the syncers in RA just upping their chances of having a monk on their team. For example, 4 people try to sync, if two of those people end up on the same team they are lucky. Why play for 2 hours non-stop to end up MAYBE getting 1 glad point?
Honestly, every title needs removed from the game, all you GWAMMS can cry a river, title are the only thing keeping this game alive. They give people a reason to log on and grind. People are bored with this game. If it weren't for the shinies and titles and guild ranks this game would be in a far worse state than it is now. I say this because, when you beat a campaign it is like beating any game whether it is mario or god of war, you are done with it. Titles however keep people coming back....shiny RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing shit keeps people coming back.
Remove the exploits from the game, i'm all for that. Make the titles more player friendly, im all for that. Make pvp a team effort, i'm all for that too.
Obviously you didn't play Ta too often. It was like playing the same team over and over again. Day in and day out it was like that until the next skill update.
Whats the difference now between broken meta and syncing? Are you serious? This is a question? I think you need to pvp more before you come into a pvp thread acting like you know everything. It would make you sound smarter or at least make it sound like you know wtf yo are talking about.

Yes, i can't prove that the glad title isn't meant to be maxed, i come to this conclusion when i think about the amount of points needed to max it, compared to the difficulty of earning those points, and the fact that, if i'm not mistaken, the glad title seemed to be used mainly to distinguish "good" players from "bad" ones (well, maybe "experienced" is a better adjective), rather than to maintain people busy. A similar thing can be said for the other PvP titles. Maybe if ANet had foreseen these issues, they would have implemented not maxable titles: the higher your level is, the more experienced you are in other people's eyes, end of the story.


However, if your idea that it makes sense for the glad title to be maxed (you didn't openly said that, i'm assuming it, i don't want to put words in your mouth ) comes from a comparison with the PvE side of the title world, well, i have to completely disagree with you.


I remember that, back in 2007 when i started playing, HM was fresh new and having rank 2 KoaBD was worth of admiration, there weren't any "max title" syndrome. Titles like kurzick, luxon, wisdom, treasure hunter etc. were maxed only by a few people with a lot of time on their hands (or at least, this was my impression, correct me if i'm wrong). Amongst the people i knew at that time, nobody thought that spending tons of hours grinding to max those titles could have some sense. People in PvE did missions, fow/uw, new hm missions and vanquishes, rolled new chars etc.

The "max title", "GWAMM" syndrome started after EotN and all the new titles that made maxing the KoaBD title an achievable aim (also for "normal" people). So the focus of a lot of people (and i saw this clearly in my guild) switched from playing to enjoy the PvE content, to playing to grind titles, and maxing also the "long" ones started to be a normal thing. From that moment, it became rather impossible to play only for fun. People did HM only if they needed it for the titles (finding help became much harder than before), when HFFF was discovered (that which consisted on putting flags on the local map) a lot of people became really addicted to it. There were no more uw/fow runs, except from time to time, sorrow's furnace totally disappeared, etc. I know this very well, because at that time i was addicted too.

All this wall of text, in the end, is to try to explain why i think that the "long" titles, originally weren't meant to be maxed (at least for the majority of players), and how they stopped to be like that when people started to realize that with the new EotN titles the epic eliteness of the mighty GWAMM title was at their reach.

Apparently, then, the max title syndrome has started to infect also the PvP side of the world, and people (not only the most addicted ones) started to think that it would have been nice to try to max also the hero, gladiator, etc.. titles. Not to mention HoM. However, this is only an assumption, in fact i'm really curious to know, as far as you remember, if the sync problem and the rush for glad points were present with this virulence also before all this "max title" crazyness.


From my point of view, then, i really don't think that the wisdom title (for example) in PvE is more difficult to be maxed than the glad one. You are right when you say that to achieve glad points at least people have to work, because to max the wisdom one the only thing you need is Grind Endurance. I farmed luxon assassins in spring 2008 for 2-3 months passing from 200 identified gold to 5000 more or less, with minimal inputs from my brain, because the run was ridiculously easy. I really can't believe that somebody could work for half the glad title in some months, no matter how hard he works, and no matter if TA is even present (maybe i didn't played TA enough, though). I remember some time ago the news of the first person who maxed the HA title. How many people have maxed it now? Shall we, looking at that number, think that maxing those kind of titles isn't something for very few people, but instead it's accessible to the average PvPer? If not, i wouldn't use as an argument something that is true only for very few people.


I also agree with you when you say that the opportunity of buying a title makes it meaningless. If the glad title have to mean that someone has some "team-play experience", then it's perfectly right that people wanting to achieve that title have to work, and not to buy it. But this, unfortunately, doesn't allow people to try to speed up their rush for the title playing RA "not randomly", when other people instead accept the characteristic of the format, and for this reason they get a disadvantage in relation to people who sync. I fully agree that there should be a place where people can play 4v4 seriously, but its absence now doesn't allow anybody to screw up the random format we are left with, in my opinion.

I just realized there are two topics on syncing. If you want to continue the discussion, you can go post in this thread in Riverside.

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