Revert Mesmer skills Back for PvP

Not a cry thread.

PvP has had many many "ROLL FACE ON KEYBOARD" builds come and go. The most recent mind surge mesmer has taken that to a new level.
I do realize that it was toned down already after the skill update. However, Mind Wrack is still too Op. If you face one mesmer in 4v4 you have to wep swap if you are a caster to avoid being totally spiked and E-Drained..if you face two of these mesmers, wep swap or not you will eventually be caught on a high set and rendered NEUTERED!!

I would rather face two SW sins than two of the current MIND WRACK mesmers. Atleast i could block the assassins as a monk and still be helpfull to my teams. Now im constantly wep swapping, and if i see two mesmers on a team i am facing i know im going to be caught with my pants around my ankles sooner or later.

Please revert mind wrack to what it was or do something to make it less of a face roll skill. Mesmers were supposed to be a support class in GW. At the moment however they are a energy denial/spike class. Cast mindwrack, esurge, and backfire on me more plox.....

Op face roll build still if i have ever seen one...if it isn't why do i see it so much and see it running the 4v4 arenas..? 2 mesmers..1 monk..1 war is the current meta sync in RA and if you are lucky and good, it is the team that you will "randomly" have carry you to 25 wins.....

I can't blame people for running this mesmer meta. It requires no skill and is spammable; even after the nerf.

PLEASE..if you will, tell me im right or just crazy.

SOLUTION: revert the update to just apply to pve or fix the pvp end of the stick...
mesmers were already effective in pvp, anet has taken a ok non-Op class and injected it with steroids. Result, a mindless animal running around using brute force over skill/talent.

A guildy entered RA the other day as a mes. The other 3 on his team were mes. Guess what his opponents were? Yep, all mes. All had essentially the same build.

Unless he was just taking the piss and that didn't happen at all.

/SIGNED /SIGNED /SIGNED!!

Even though, i, myself have used this build, i have to agree it is STILL way too OP.

Only revert those that are used in the mindsurge though, make them so that it requires skill to use properly instead of letting them run around like a headless chicken spamming skills.

Keep the functionalities for PvE though...

/sign mesmers had the part of overpowering.

There wasn't much wrong with mesmers to start with before the update. Just a lot of cry cus people didn't know how to play. Face it mesmer can do massive e-denial, Easy max health degen, Non-melee interupts, hexes. And now there making them do high dmg aswell and even KD, it is simply taking away the balance.

The only disadventage left for mesmers are low armors. But so do monks, necro's, rits, ele. This was a no brainer from the start. Anet didn't even needed a test team to find out that this was to much.

Sure, if they made sure EVERY SINGLE SKILL was split. There had already been way too many scenarios where Anet would buff a skill for both PvP and PvE then after a while nerfed the skill to become even more useless in comparison to its pre-buff form, even though its not overpowering in PvE at all.

>Chicken

Note that Mesmers already had a knockdown pre-patch. It was, of course, a single-target knockdown for a not-affected-by-its-attribute-amount-of-time, but it was still a knockdown.

Now, I still agree with the general point of this thread. Being a Mesmer myself, I resent giving anybody with an IQ of less than 70 an effective Mesmer build. However, my fear is that they will nerf some skills that were useless before so that they're even more useless...

i like skill updates because it changes the way we play a little bit. I like it even when I am not a fan of how the skills work, because I approach fights differently. Pretty soon a lot of people in-game will be running similar things and all the hoopla will die down again. It's the circle of life Simba. Embrace it.

Actually mesmers were crap in RA pre-update. Unless you had some nice sync team and even then.

I remember mesmers in Prophecies, they were awesome in RA. You had to know how to play them though, not just 1-2-3.

Let's not pretend that mesmers were fine in RA pre-update because they were not. Even in FA you had much better choices, like insane monks (both for heals and for RoJ). Mesmers in RA pre-update had zero survival (you die if warrior just looks at you), and their offensive skills really were not that great. Don't give me that BS 'learn how to play', I played mesmer more than all other classes combined so I know what I'm talking about. If you didnt sync with a monk you were dead meat in RA as a mesmer especially.


All this doesn't mean that current RA mesmerway is good - it's not. It's lame-easy to use, effective on everything, and it needs to be nerfed. But by no means was mesmer strong in RA. ALL RA mesmer skills that were good pretty much got nerfed - from SoM onwards, while anti-hex skills received insane buffs from Prophecies to this day.


Oh, and if you're a monk, please, don't complain about mesmers in RA. You belong to a class that has always been #1 in RA, always, always, and easiest one to get glad points with. So spare me. If any class needs nerf, RA-wise, it's a monk.

Exactly.

Let me get this straight: you rage because monks actually have to do sth against mesmers if they are in the opposing team? I know it was easier to handle mesmers before the update and impossible after it for while, but the fix that came after solved the problem. Don't whine that you have to weapon swap, you should have been doing that anyway pre-buff. And don't tell me that playing monk in RA is hard.
Btw, every class needs a faceroll RA build so that newbies can get to know the classes and not fail (against other newbies), so all in all.../notsigned

No, im saying mesmers have stepped outside the designed role of a support player which is what they are supposed to be. Also, mesmers were never useless in RA and other 4v4 arenas. A good mesmer pre-buff shut down monks , midline, and frontline very easily. Now mesmers can roll their face on the keyboard and be effective. The worst part is that it is armor ignoring and unblockable damage. And if these meta mesmers are not doing you much dmg its because you have no energy to have face rolled away from you.

To the dude calling monks dominant. They are not dominant, but because they can heal party members...THEY ARE CONSIDERED A CORE PART OF A BALANCED TEAM! BALANCED TEAMS USUALLY WIN!!!

Bullshit. Builds like Power Block, wastrel's collapse/blackout and VoR have always been strong in ra, sync team or not. Great: yes, user friendly: no.
They were.
nothing really changed. i still gib mesmers quickly in ra, with or without a monk. they're squishy, if they don't bring something like shield bash, dark escape, b stance, etc, any halfway decent hammer war/sin can pop them.
If you were halfway as good at playing mes as you say, you would understand how strong they have always been. Also, learn to play.
not necessarily, getting a high damage team that knows what they're doing will take you further than a mediocre healer will, i've gone as far as 14 wins without a monk, so in ra having a healer isn't key, it's knowing what to shut down, where to put damage, and positioning that are key, not having a monk.


Also, don't completely revert the mes skills, IMO, tone down PI to standard KD, LOL keystone, and tone down wastrel's worry's damage, and tone panic down to adjacent range.

a. Balancing classes around RA representation is dumb.

b. Mesmers were toned down enough with the emergency update. Mind Wrack saw very little play in the monthly, but the buffed esurge made "normal" dom mesmers fairly common. They're in a good place in GvG as of now.

So what format should they be balanced around? GvG is a small representation of people who play. But you knew that right? I suppose you would balance GW around GvG..Why not HA?

This is a good thing.

Before all you had to do vs mesmer was watch diversion/shame, if they were even any good at using them. As well as cancel occasionally once if became apparent they were watching you.

Asides from that, mind wrack really isn't as good as you're making out since the tone down.

Mind Wrack's current function is mindless. No matter how powerful it is (even if it sucks balls) that is unacceptable. For that reason alone, it needs a rework.

/signed for the other skills as well, Mesmers didn't need to get powercreeped.

So another class catching up to the power creep is a good thing?

In terms of the big picture, it's a shitty way of balancing. In terms of making a "fun" template playable, they succeeded.

/signed shitty update

I say revert the update period since the changes were piss-poorly thought out