Make GWAMM an account based title.

Good for them. They can feel secure knowing that their achievement didn't go away, because all their characters with GWAMM still have all their maxed titles.

Besides, it is the same as everyone who had Treasure Hunter or Wisdom maxed out on multiple characters. Do we see them complaining?

Savior of the Luxons on a level 1? Seriously.
Legendary Champion on a level 1? Seriously.
Grandmaster Treasure Hunter on a level 1? Seriously.
Legendary Hero of the Zaishen on a level 1? Seriously.

Seriously.


Why do I support this notion? Because the maxed title track, like Legendary Champion, should be a way of saying "This player is kind of a big deal". If there's a level 1 walking around with GWAMM, it's because that player his serious business and knows his stuff, just like you can tell that a level 1 with LC is one hell of a pvp player.

GWAMM should show that the player is skilled. Not "the player while he is playing a certain character", but "This guy, right here, has done it all, seen it all, and torn the t-shirt from a dying evil god's corpse. No matter his guise, no matter which character he plays, he is a god walking amongst mere mortals."

But it doesn't , it shows patience and money for the most part and bears no relation at all to skill level.

/not signed to the suggestion
If you want a title on a character then go get it , making them count towards an account with GWAMM track is just stupid imo.

Hey I got a better idea let's just get rid of titles all together. (note sarcasm)

/not signed

who do you know that would have wasted the time and money getting treasure hunter max on 2 or more characters? -_-

Patience, commitment, the ability to earn quite a bit of wealth, exploring and fighting through every continent and mission, and the persistence to accomplish numerous challenges presented throughout the game. In short, overall mastery of The Game Know As Guild Wars (or at least, the PvE part).

I'd call that reasonably skilled.

You arent going to die for NOT having GWAMM on all your chars so , no real reason again.

Pointless. TH is the longest title , more than GWAMM imo and it gives benefits for lockpicks retain chance so it should be account wide. GWAMM gives nothing so once again , no real reason.

Not seriously.
Faction title = Gain faction by achieving things , doesnt matter wich character do it and it has benefits ( skills ) so it should be account wide.
Champion is a PvP title , no diff , they always are account wide because its PLAYER vs PLAYER , not char vs char.
Same with the others bla bla.

No, just no. GWAMM shows that char has 30 titles , it doesnt matter from where did they come from.

Seriously now , i mean , REALLY. Stop this "i want my titles faster" threads . An opinion or "i think that ..." is NEVER a real reason for Anet to move a finger about it.

Example ?
"Hey , TH title gives lockpick retain chance , the whole account should benefit of it like it does with Faction (skills) title"
- Response from Anet : Fair enough , TH is now account wide.

See ? try stuff like that.

I dont have gwamm and dont plan to get it
if they did this, I would definitely play more

/heck no
Uh isn't this like the 1 millionth time someone has suggested this and this thread is still open?

If it's any consolation, GWAMM itself should not transfer to GW2, which I guess you are concerned about with the "time left" comment.

Where in this thread is anything mentioned about getting titles faster?

This suggestion wouldn't make gaining any given title any easier. Every single part of GWAMM would still take equally long, cost an equal amount, and require an equal amount of effort.

The only way it would be "faster" would be for anyone who got cheated out of Survivor by having characters who are older than Factions (and given that things like birthday presents reward older characters, understandably don't want to delete all their time and effort just because the title requirement specifically excluded them). Having proper access to something everyone else can do is hardly begging for faster titles.

No. Reason?

Gwamm has no effect other than showoff so implementing account wide gwamm would do nothing but screw those over, that put time into getting it on multiple characters.

totally agree with this.

i think more of the titles should be account based. booze, sweets, and party titles for a start because i dont want to spend a gajillion gold doing them on each char. sunspear, lightbringer, and all eotn rep grinds i also would like to be acct based. not that theyre particularly hard to do- i just dont want to deal with the grind-fest.

vanquishing and carto im up in the air about. i totally understand why its not, but those titles i'll probably never repeat on an alt. guardian titles should definately NOT be, as you get those playing thru the game (or should).

of course this is all just my opinion. in the end, theyre just titles. as long as i can get one GWAMM done before GW2, i'll be happy.

/signed if.... you already have GWAMM for each class... then its ok to have GWAMM on a fresh character, you earned it at that point.

/not signed because... there are several people in my guild alone that have multiple GWAMM's (not me, tbh I dont have a single GWAMM and don't intend on wasting my time on 1 class that long) not to mention across the rest of guild wars. It takes a lot away from the people who took the time to play multiple characters to that extent.


If you want a shiny account wide title, PvP or start shilling out money for zkeys...


edit... also...
It shows someone knows how to play 1 class well... thats all it shows.

LoL . Are you serious ? about the WHOLE thread point is about that ?.
Its about "hey, i cant have Ldoa on my char so i want to have it on another and make it count for ALL CHARS in Gwamm title".
Dude that IS wanting titles faster , in this case GWAMM title.

Now i think that you didnt even bother to read #1 , when in reasons 1 and 2 are totally made of "i want this faster" or "i want this for free so i dont have to spend money on alehound".

Everyone has same accesss , no one has easier time VQ title for example than anyone. Making GWAMM acount based is pointless and has no valid reasons because i want my ti....

you know what ? nvm .

My soon to be GWAMM is a Ranger and I would say i'm decent , I know im not great but im pretty good overall. However at,for instance, Warrior or Monk I am completely bloody rotten, no disputing it , i fecking suck balls so why should i be able to use a title gained from playing a class which i have some skill at on a class which I completely blow at ?

(This is assuming showing GWAMM actually meant having skill , which it obviously doesnt)
Maybe you would but i've grouped with Obsi wearing warrior gwamms who still use mending and have no clue as to positioning/puling/targeting/basic mechanics or even just good skill knowledge. GWAMM needs no skill whatsoever apart from persistence, even teh worst player around can do it , and many have.
None of the titles you mentioned should ever be account based , they are all fairly easy to max with very little grind at all

/notsigned since it seems to be nothing more than a means to max titles on all characters.

Make GWAMM applicable for a players entire account for each UNIQUE title their characters have attained (2x LB won't count.) Suggested for two reasons:

EDIT: Seems like I wasn't clear enough. All the current Char based titles can still be character based, GWAMM will just take each unique title any char has into account. For the people that don't want a lvl1 char /w the title, how about only unlocking it on a character only when they have 10 titles maxed.

Reason 1 being that it will make it easier on the people whose main characters never attained Legendary Survivor or LDoA to still get a chance to have those count towards their total.

Reason 2 being that having access to the two mutually exclusive titles (Survivor/LDoA) will make Alehound unnecessary.


Does anyone else remember that in the months leading up to the HOM "upgrade" ANet said something to the tune of "We feel that under the current system, players are discouraged to play multiple characters."

The 'upgrade' didn't really address the core issue. Issue being the fact that the very existance of the HoM, as an extension of the KOABD title, ties players to a single character for the duration of the title.

I understand that there are several alternatives to the terrible 3 titles (Drunk/Sweet/Party,) but with GW2 looming, it seems less and less likely that titles such as Seeker of Lux/Kurz/Wisdom/Treasure Hunter/Lucky/Unlucky/All PvP titles can be completed by anyone that hasn't been less than 2 years.

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Lol lazy noob GWAMM isn't really hard to get - you just need to be focussed and work through your titles - For drunk title you can do other stuff at the same time you know. You don't have to sit in your guild hall clicking away

GWAMM is meant to be the hardest title for PVE players so it should be hard to get... If you don't want to put the effort in you shouldn't get it... On my monk file I didn't get LDoA or survivor and I got it fairly easy with a possibility to get a couple more

Not really, no.

Any character created before Factions has no access to survivor. Any character who left Pre before LDoA was programmed in can never get it back. Your scenario, "I want LDoA to get my title more easily" isn't a matter of getting titles faster, it's a matter of getting a fair shot at it, because that would allow him to progress in GWAMM at an equal rate to a character who DID get a chance to do LDoA.

Earning Survivor would take just as long as someone doing Survivor from the start. Same with LDoA, same with all the titles. This update would merely allow people who were screwed out of access to these titles a fair shot, on par with everyone else.

/not signed - fail idea is fail.

Yes , really yes.

You still FAIL at the basic equation.
Dude , PLAYER =\= CHARACTER , understand now ? EVERYONE has same access to all stuff.

At HoM ( you know , that place where titles count towards GW2 but you cant show off on any town ) they DO count , so again no REAL reason.

Fixed , see ?
Now instead 31 titles , my ranger would have 33 ( with Ldoa on W and Survivor on Mes ) so i dont really give a s*** but those with chars with 28 titles for example will GET GWAMM FASTER "for free" , understood ?

Hope caps help you to see the truth of this nonsense . If you still fail to see it i think no one can help you and i wont reply anymore.

I'd sign if you have to max, say, 20 titles before having access to other titles from other characters.

I'd also just sign for all the people that feel their GWAMMs get devalued because of this. You guys can have a cookie...

People would still need to get 30 different titles to get GWAMM, this "free GWAMM" is the actual nonsense here.

I assume you got LDoA on your Warrior and Survivor on your Mesmer "for free", as you consider the difference between 31 and 33 titles on your character as a "free bonus"...

People need to either be open to some adjustment like this or quit complaining about grinding: you can't have the cake and eat it.

I have a GWAMM character and I'm fine with it as it is, I don't regret a single second spent playing it, and I did it because I felt like doing it, but choice is rarely a bad thing: I would have loved not having to grind the Kurzick title and getting some more involving title instead, but I couldn't, since my main had no access to neither Survivor nor LDoA, and other account-wide titles were a pain to complete. Alternatives, no free bonuses.

I wouldn't feel my GWAMM devalued for people being given more choice and more freedom to approach it.

No dude no , hell no. How come you fail to see that.
Basic Equations
GWAMM = 30 Max titles on a CHARACTER
PLAYER =\= CHARACTER

Misreading and Misunderstanding ? yes you are.
If you dont see NON wide-account titles achieved on a diff char as a bonus to another char is just plain simple , you dont know maths. Did the ranger achieved Ldoa ? or survivor ? NO . Then that char gets 2 titles for free , without " " . No one is saying that those titles are free lol , im just saying that they would ADD for free to a char that didnt achieve them. Holy christ , is it so hard to understand ?

Idk what are you talking about. Adjustments and changes gotta have a valid reason and "i want my titles faster" ( in this case , GWAMM ) is not valid.

Dude , they ADD to HoM atm , so why the reason to add them to a char that didnt achieve them ? , im not going to repeat it once again. You are mistaking choice and freedom with free bonuses to ppl that achieved exclusive titles.
Now someone that has Ldoa and survivor only needs 28 titles on a new char to achieve GWAMM , wich always has been 30 titles on a SINGLE char. That is not devaluating old players GWAMM, that is devaluating the GWAMM title itself , in all its aspects. Wide Account titles are what they are for a reason and this suggestion makes no sense.

PD: An Assassin with Ldoa , i mean , really ?

You don't need GWAMM on every character, because you are able to link your GW accounts, thus getting rewards for any achievements unlocked on all toons. Other than that, I don't see why someone could aim for multiple GWAMMs.

I just wanty to say one thing, in defense of the OP, since I see many people are misunderstanding what he said. He doesn't want something like: "you do everything on a char than you have a lot of free GWAMMs" or a way to make it fastest and easier. If you do all the titles with different chars, it takes you the same time and the same effort. It's something like: one char does guardian, another one does vanquishing, than another does master of the north etc. Poor exapmle I know, but that's to say it's a way to make you play many many chars instead of devolving all your time on one cause you want gwamm. And cince anet said they didn't want people to play a char only...and, as I see it, in this proposal, you would only have the title if you really had a part in it, so nothing free.
Again, I'm not signing it because I still think it would be a different title than the one it's meant to be, so no sense in changing. But i totally understand and support the OP's point of vew. It's just it would be a different title, so in case it should have been like that from the beginning.

I think the point was someone who has 35 unique maxed titles across 8 characters doesn't have the same recognition that a player who has 35 unique titles on the one character. Both players had to achieve the exact same things, just 1 player did them on one character while the other player prefers a more versatile play style and is punished for playing more than one character.

The point is not that a player can't show it off, a player can't get it unless they play one toon. The accomplishments and effort are the same but the player can't get the max title for GW2 recognition and they also can't get a rainbow phoenix even though they've done the same thing.

/signed

This proves you're yet to understood the suggestion.

- Each character will retain his/her own achievements. So with an account-wide GWAMM you won't end up having an Assassin with LDoA, because if you have that in your account, you obviously have it on another (tyrian) character.

- This suggestion is barely cosmetic, individual titles won't be made account-wide, just the KoaBD title-track. You're just not forced to pick one title-hunter to get al 30 titles with him/her anymore.

- What's being suggested here is the KoaBD title-track to behave like the account-wide HoM. Instead of having multiple KoaBD title-tracks for each character, you just have one for the whole account.

Sure, someone with 29 titles today and LS on another character would automatically get GWAMM. How's that a problem? Why does he/she waste his time grinding an allegiance title (or both) or getting drunk in his/her guild hall? I did it and don't regret it, but still, offering alternatives (expecially alternatives to pointless grinding) is good to me.

Not gonna happen off course. If only KoaBD was designed like that since the start...

EDIT:

Couldn't have said better myself.

Since you're answering to my first post to make your point, please take the time to read my second one. Not too hard since it's just upon yours.

I LIKE working on goals---titles are goals, giving my brand new level 1 all the titles is BORING and not how I play the game. I find it fun to do all the missions to get protector and guardian....with this you would be giving that to me even before my character has its first weapon!!

Giving out gwamm as account wide basically says you dont need to do anything else but stand in spammdan all day long selling junk. Not my style of PLAYING the game.

still NOT signed

Untrue, it wouldn't give you any title you don't have acquired on that char.
as above. you still would have to do all the titles on each char, if you want to, as you wouldn't have them. nobody's talking about making all titles account wise, it would really be non-sense

You keep using those words...

Player 1 spends X amount of hours gaining Unique Title A.
Player 2 spends X amount of hours gaining Unique Title A.
Equal time spent.

Player 1 gained the title with his main character who is pursuing GWAMM.
Player 2 gained the title on a second character.

Player 1's effort contributes to the max title track. Player 2's effort does not.

Under this suggestion, both players who put in equal amounts of work would see equal benefit, one more ping to the KOABD title track. No one is getting anything "for free". Both work. Both gain the title. Both have it represented on their overall title track.

/sign
and add rank 7, 35 is easily obtainable with all the time that has pasted. GWAMM is almost 3 years old, want to add life to the game, added a 7th tier which requires you to max 35 of the 37 titles, excluding zaishen/pvp.

Lots of people are still misunderstanding OP.. He is suggesting that not *all* maxed titles will be made account-wide, just the KoaBD title track if the culmination of maxed titles across ALL of a player's characters amounts to the required number for a tier.

E.g. Player has 5 characters. Each of those characters has one different title maxed. All characters have access to "Kind of a big deal".

Thats how I'm reading it. If I've read it wrong then just laugh at me instead.

That's how I read it too.

Sounds like a good way to make people play more than just one character. I'd love to explore tyria with just my proph char, elona with my nf char and so on. Right now it's turned into: buy nf, play it with my proph char because the other one won't add anything. That's BORING and extremely repetitive.

signed.

It's still a fairly stupid idea to be honest. If you want GWAMM on a character, then get GWAMM on that character. Anet is not punishing anyone for you having to grind out the titles on each character.

In your theory, since my GWAMM is my paragon, will my title still say God Walking Among Mere Mortals (6) or will it stay "Real" God Walking Among Mere Mortals? Cmon get serious, it is a character specific title. Just because you have GWAMM on 1 char, which a good chunk of the gamers do, doesn't mean you need to broadcast it to the world. Plus it gives groups you join a false sense of your experience on that character.

I could broadcast I had GWAMM on my warrior, which I have no clue how to play, and people would perceive that I know how to play warrior decently since I have GWAMM. But it would be a "Fake" GWAMM.

How would you be able to tell the difference between a real GWAMM and this false GWAMM. I'm still staying with /no because I would only want to display that title on characters that I have earned it on. Yes earned, not because I got it on 1 guy, I can display it on all guys. That is just stupid. /end rant.

Why people doens't understand? Really? Billion people tryin to explain it's not like that and people (like you) still hold the same misunderstandood point. Ok I give up.

I missed your second one somehow. I see you understand the perspective being put forth.

I guess I don't care that the current way recognises a character that has been played a lot. I see that as a smaller loss than a player being unable to get it because they have multiple characters.

By keeping it character based, it keeps the "feel" of a title on a single character. By making it account based it allows a lot of people who have "earned" the same titles across all toons to actually get this title. Allowing people to get the same title for the same amount of work seems like a very fair deal to me and the loss of a single toon title feel seems like a moot point in comparison to the benefits.

What am I missing. I can do carto on 1 guy and get leg carto. I can do VQ on another guy and get leg VQ. But I can also display GWAMM on all characters. So again what am I missing? Or do you simply want to make all Koabd title ranks viewable account wide minus GWAMM??? That is an even worse idea.

People simply DON'T read any of these explainations and skip to conclusions. Before they can even understand, they've already hit "Submit Reply".

Give up, the lack of any reading comprehension here is appalling...

Keyword: GWAMM to work like the account-wide HoM: each character has his/her own title, but if you put them together and count them you might end up with 30 different titles eventually.

Titles stay on each character, but the total count of different maxed titles for the account becomes account-wide.

So, you have a character with 30 titles already? Nothing changes for you.

You have:

- a character (A) with 28 titles
- a character (B) with LDoA
- a character (C) with LS

You were forced to do LDoA and LS on other characters as you couldn't get them with your title hunter.

28+1+1 = 30, your ACCOUNT has achieved GWAMM, You can display it just like any other account-wide title but character (A) still has his/her own 28 titles to display, character B still is the only LDoA and character (C) still is the only LS.

I understand the point that everyone is trying to make. Maybe your not. What your suggesting is free titles for characters. What fun is it creating a lvl 1 that already has GWAMM?? None.

Individual titles should stay for each character, and the titles that are account wide, all 13 of them, should stay account wide. They really provide no really boosts for game players, minus the allegiance and TH/Lucky/Wisdom titles. But that take literally forever to max. The SS/LB/EoTN titles/any other title that is out there, literally only takes a week to max if you play non-stop, heck maybe even less time then I think. If your a casual player, it takes a few months (over estimating.)

I understand the idea, but I do not want to create a lvl 1 char that can display GWAMM. That shows nothing but I have achieved it on 1 character. From your reasoning, I can achieve GWAMM without even getting past lvl 1? Or am I missing something again???

I understand if I have 28 titles, and I get 2 titles I don't already have maxed on another character, I will get GWAMM. That takes all the fun out of the game.