Hi guys, I wsh I report my thoughts and concerns about what I read in the new section "trader's Outpost".
I've cheked it...and I still cant get some threads over there.
Look at this one:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...tml?t=10440377
Does this forum admit such a thread opened by a scammer (he just admitted how he scammed a ded vizu for an unded one and he got even 2 times banned) telling his past stories and do not admit scamming reports threads that might help warning the community and they are instead closed?
I dont get why that thread is still open.
An other funny thing is the thread "Scammed or Scammer?" where ppl tell how got scammed AND how scammers happily ripped off unaware players...
here the link where u can check by urselves:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t10440448.html
Well...
Ethics anyone?
Im just curious if any mod is going to edit my post. Maybe Im just too honest to tell my truth and this might hurt someone sensibility. Or not.
And I have a suggestion....edit the new section name to "Scammer's Outpost". It fits better in my opinion.
Cheers by a sad gw&gwguru addict.
My thoughts I had to post on something I've seen here
-Martian-
StormX
Makes me wonder why The Banned are still posting here...
mage767
If you have he time to worry about in-game (aka virtual) items, then you are wasting your time with this thread. Games always encourage and exaggerate the worst of human behavior. Be glad that GW doesn't allow marriage...
majoho
Did you try to report it to the admin?
-Martian-
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Did you try to report it to the admin?
If u check those threads, u can see some mods already took a look on them.
If u check those threads, u can see some mods already took a look on them.
Benderama
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If you have he time to worry about in-game (aka virtual) items, then you are wasting your time with this thread. Games always encourage and exaggerate the worst of human behavior. Be glad that GW doesn't allow marriage...
www.metro.co.uk/weird/816601-man-marries-pillow
well maybe the last one's just a bit weird but you know.
it's just arrogant people that like to brag about how low they are D:! ignore them and they will turn to dust.
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We all aware of that, and I repeat once again Im not talking about the "in game behaviour" that's obviusly bad even for a blind man but HOW these threads have been treated here.|
-I get a free Island Guardian -My friend loans me a Kanaxai and I run around like an idiot with it pretending to be badass -The Kanaxai gets stolen and after getting the Kanaxai back ded, my friend gives it to me this person seems awful he/she claims they let a friend borrow their old account and that friend got a hench tonic in the process and left it behind when he left the game  no wonder they got banned i don't wanna be rude but that looks like more than power trading/scamming
majoho
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If u check those threads, u can see some mods already took a look on them.
Mods aren't Admins though.
Inde
It has been a long standing policy of this site that what happens in game does not spill over to this site. What action exactly would you like us to take? It seems that you are asking we ban them? Take action against them? We do not control what happens in game. If it's a concern, than ArenaNet and NCSoft support will take care of what happens in their game.
You want us to start extending our judgement on who deserves to post and who doesn't? At what line do we draw who gets a ban and who doesn't? And based on what evidence? Because of the "ethics" we allow free posting for anything except EULA violations that happen on this forum or violations of this forums rules. Posting about scamming someone is NOT a EULA violation. Offering to sell your account on this forum is, see the difference? If you've been scammed there's nothing we can do. So yes, the appropriate and correct response is to direct you to NCSoft support. Let ArenaNet handle what happens in their game. So to just sum this up nicely I will post our policy that has been around for years: Guild Wars Guru and the Mention of Scammers All right, just to address some concerns here. Yes, we delete scammer threads found in this forum. No, Guild Wars Guru does not turn a blind eye to this. Yes, we hate scammers just as much as you. So why don't we let people "announce" scammers, why don't we keep running lists? Because we have no way of proving if that's what truly happened. You can present me with all the screenshots, videos and more in the world and it doesn't prove anything. Screenshots and videos can be edited, can be changed. Snippets of conversation can be cut out. I've seen some convincing stories in my time only to find out that things were not as they seemed. Or, that the person was set up. Guild Wars Guru is NOT responsible for what goes on in game. I can not verify what goes on in game, I can not get the full story, I can not know if someone is manipulating a story since I wasn't there. If it's truly a case of someone being scammed and you have proof, bring this to arenanet. I can't make decisions for arenanet, I can't tell if this was legit or if you just need to watch yourselves better and be more cautious. If it's truly as outrageous and serious as you mention, then let Arenanet take care of their own game and their own people within that game. I hope you can all understand the position we have to take on this. Screenshots and Videos are not evidence. The proof is only available on the side of the arenanet servers. As I said above, I've seen some good honest people set up, I've seen some great photoshop work in my time, and I've seen people deliberately edit out snipets of conversation before. I am only responsible for what happens on these forums. I am not responsible for what happens in game or the situations that people put themselves in.
Wynthyst
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Ban the poster? They just create a new account and go on their merry way, laughing their butts off at the stupidity of the moderators. I'm sorry, but if you don't have any solutions to offer for something you see is a problem, then I would say you are just making it more of a problem. We are not ArenaNet, we can not discipline users for in-game actions. You will find users on fansites for every game you can think of that will brag about their supposed actions in game. It seems to be the nature of the beast. I mean, most scammers do it because they think it's funny to ruin someone else's day. These are the same type of people who laugh all the way home when the cashier at the local store gives them change for a $20 when they only gave them a $10. They don't care about how their actions affect anyone else, the amount of trouble that cashier might be in when their drawer comes up short at the end of their shift. For those players who admit to using someone else's account, or letting someone else use theirs.. well, all I have to say about that is STUPID. There is a very good reason why it's a violation of the EULA to share accounts. Keep in mind that this is a very new forum. If you would like to suggest a set of guidelines for it, I'm sure JR would be happy to consider them. nitetime
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Originally Posted by -Martian-
Hi guys, I wsh I report my thoughts and concerns about what I read in the new section "trader's Outpost".
I've cheked it...and I still cant get some threads over there. Look at this one: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/p...tml?t=10440377 This is what you get when someone is trying to justify their wealth after getting banned for botting.
JR
I have added the following line to the Trader's Outpost guidelines:
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-Martian-
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Take action against them?
Not directly against them but against what they've posted for sure I guess. Like editing posts or locking discussions could be a good move.Quote: Originally Posted by Inde
We do not control what happens in game.
And Im not asking u do that.Quote: Originally Posted by Inde
If it's a concern, than ArenaNet and NCSoft support will take care of what happens in their game.
Ofc they'll do. And Im proud of that.Quote: Originally Posted by Inde
You want us to start extending our judgement on who deserves to post and who doesn't?
Again...Im talking about things related on forum behaviours, not in game behaviours. I hoped I was clear what I said. And Im not asking u decide who can post or who cannot. Quote: Originally Posted by Inde
At what line do we draw who gets a ban and who doesn't?
One more time, I didnt ask ban of anyone.Quote: Originally Posted by Inde
And based on what evidence?
Taking an action on the evidence of what they said.Quote: Originally Posted by Inde
Because of the "ethics" we allow free posting for anything except EULA violations that happen on this forum or violations of this forums rules. Posting about scamming someone is NOT a EULA violation. Offering to sell your account on this forum is, see the difference?
I see it clearly. Since I aware of this, I didnt mention anything about selling or buying accounts. It's against EULA.
But let me say... if I post I approve wars over peace, I promote pedo...is it ok? guess not, since If I make a thread on these arguments, it's going to be closed. Of course I hope.
And if u leave an open thread like that, maybe there's something wrong.
Well, if I open a thread about how I ripp off people in a game, ok it's not real life just a game, but always ripp off so I guess a bad a behaviour, do u accept a discussion based on this?
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Originally Posted by Inde
If you've been scammed there's nothing we can do. So yes, the appropriate and correct response is to direct you to NCSoft support. Let ArenaNet handle what happens in their game.
So to just sum this up nicely I will post our policy that has been around for years:
Guild Wars Guru and the Mention of Scammers
All right, just to address some concerns here. Yes, it was I who recently deleted the scammer thread found in this forum.
No, Guild Wars Guru does not turn a blind eye to this. Yes, we hate scammers just as much as you.
So why don't we let people "announce" scammers, why don't we keep running lists? Because we have no way of proving if that's what truly happened. You can present me with all the screenshots, videos and more in the world and it doesn't prove anything. Screenshots and videos can be edited, can be changed. Snippets of conversation can be cut out. I've seen some convincing stories in my time only to find out that things were not as they seemed. Or, that the person was set up.
Guild Wars Guru is NOT responsible for what goes on in game. I can not verify what goes on in game, I can not get the full story, I can not know if someone is manipulating a story since I wasn't there.
If it's truly a case of someone being scammed and you have proof, bring this to arenanet. I can't make decisions for arenanet, I can't tell if this was legit or if you just need to watch yourselves better and be more cautious. If it's truly as outrageous and serious as you mention, then let Arenanet take care of their own game and their own people within that game.
I hope you can all understand the position we have to take on this. Screenshots and Videos are not evidence. The proof is only available on the side of the arenanet servers. As I said above, I've seen some good honest people set up, I've seen some great photoshop work in my time, and I've seen people deliberately edit out snipets of conversation before. I am only responsible for what happens on these forums. I am not responsible for what happens in game or the situations that people put themselves in.
I am well aware of everything on that, even if I do not aggre.
But for example making a stikied thread where all ppl got scammed for real can post their sad experiences would help a lot more the community than closing a thread where they post or advert malicious acts and the same thread is going to be lost in server memory and none will read it anymore.
Did I say anything that not makes any sense by chance?
So to just sum this up nicely I will post our policy that has been around for years:
Guild Wars Guru and the Mention of Scammers
All right, just to address some concerns here. Yes, it was I who recently deleted the scammer thread found in this forum.
No, Guild Wars Guru does not turn a blind eye to this. Yes, we hate scammers just as much as you.
So why don't we let people "announce" scammers, why don't we keep running lists? Because we have no way of proving if that's what truly happened. You can present me with all the screenshots, videos and more in the world and it doesn't prove anything. Screenshots and videos can be edited, can be changed. Snippets of conversation can be cut out. I've seen some convincing stories in my time only to find out that things were not as they seemed. Or, that the person was set up.
Guild Wars Guru is NOT responsible for what goes on in game. I can not verify what goes on in game, I can not get the full story, I can not know if someone is manipulating a story since I wasn't there.
If it's truly a case of someone being scammed and you have proof, bring this to arenanet. I can't make decisions for arenanet, I can't tell if this was legit or if you just need to watch yourselves better and be more cautious. If it's truly as outrageous and serious as you mention, then let Arenanet take care of their own game and their own people within that game.
I hope you can all understand the position we have to take on this. Screenshots and Videos are not evidence. The proof is only available on the side of the arenanet servers. As I said above, I've seen some good honest people set up, I've seen some great photoshop work in my time, and I've seen people deliberately edit out snipets of conversation before. I am only responsible for what happens on these forums. I am not responsible for what happens in game or the situations that people put themselves in.
I am well aware of everything on that, even if I do not aggre.
But for example making a stikied thread where all ppl got scammed for real can post their sad experiences would help a lot more the community than closing a thread where they post or advert malicious acts and the same thread is going to be lost in server memory and none will read it anymore.
Did I say anything that not makes any sense by chance?
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I cannot say bad words like the stuff that rabbits do alot, because then a kid might learn what it will have to do some day to make his specie remain on earth, but Jinkies can gladly tell that he scammed people and you ask yourself what you should do about it? I mean isn't Jinkies giving alot worse example as people that flame? Don't get some of the attitude, glad JR handled it.
) but when you tell someone lies, and make profit from them, then I think you are scamming. And so did Jinkies, as he said ''I scammed someone...". 