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dts720666

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17 Jun 2010 at 04:07 - 1

In the Guild Wars Rules of Conduct why is #9 highlighted in orange?

It says:

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You may not modify any part of the Guild Wars Client or Server. Also, you may not modify any part of the official Guild Wars websites, other than the official Guild Wars Wiki in accordance with its terms and conditions.

Is this just a coding issue or are they trying to tell us something? If so, what?

Move Down

Ascalonian Squire

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17 Jun 2010 at 04:16 - 2

Rules of conduct are a joke they ban you while you done nothing and then support hides behind the words you broke rules of conduct

fenix

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17 Jun 2010 at 04:32 - 3

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Originally Posted by Move Down

Rules of conduct are a joke they ban you while you done nothing and then support hides behind the words you broke rules of conduct

If you were banned, it was for a reason.

@OP, what it's aiming to do is highlight to people that you AREN'T allowed to modify the client with dll injections and such, which is the main reason they did the 3700 bans.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

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17 Jun 2010 at 04:34 - 4

seems pretty straight forward to me, no reason to read between the lines......just.......read THE lines

zwei2stein

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17 Jun 2010 at 06:16 - 5

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Originally Posted by dts720666

Is this just a coding issue or are they trying to tell us something? If so, what?

That they do not like people using xss attacks on their sites, attempting to hack servers and of course, modifying client. They really do not enjoy that at all.

Basically just "bad people, stay away from our game, mmkay?".

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

17 Jun 2010 at 07:23 - 6

tl;dr version: Don't hax our any of our services, pl0x lol thx bai.

Gill Halendt

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17 Jun 2010 at 09:36 - 7

Highlighted parts are either parts added or modified later that differ from the original compilation of the rules. They're highlighted for you to better notice the updates in the RoC.

dts720666

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17 Jun 2010 at 12:52 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Highlighted parts are either parts added or modified later that differ from the original compilation of the rules. They're highlighted for you to better notice the updates in the RoC.

I see. That makes sense.

Not that I'm using it, but does TexMod count?

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

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17 Jun 2010 at 12:52 - 9

Gill nailed it, it shows a modification or change which may or may not be recent. 23 has the word "bot" highlighted the same way.

The page also has "Updated 8 October 2009" not too sure how accurate that date is...

Textmod does not count however be careful where you get it from some versions may be tainted.

Skyy High

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17 Jun 2010 at 19:28 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Move Down

Rules of conduct are a joke they ban you while you done nothing and then support hides behind the words you broke rules of conduct

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Killed u man

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17 Jun 2010 at 20:10 - 11

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Originally Posted by dts720666

I see. That makes sense.

Not that I'm using it, but does TexMod count?

According to the rules, it does. According to Gaile/Regina it doesn't. Hey, ambigiousness is how they role. Keep your rules as vague as possible, and pick out random exceptions, and you can ban anyone for anything.

Shadowmoon

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17 Jun 2010 at 20:15 - 12

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

According to the rules, it does. According to Gaile/Regina it doesn't. Hey, ambigiousness is how they role. Keep your rules as vague as possible, and pick out random exceptions, and you can ban anyone for anything.

Honestly I can't be the only one who tired of this from you. They have been clear from the start, yes it is against the EULA, but they will not do anything about it as long as its only replacing textures and not doing other things (dll injecting, botting, doing your homework).

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

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AMP

17 Jun 2010 at 20:40 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

According to the rules, it does. According to Gaile/Regina it doesn't. Hey, ambigiousness is how they role. Keep your rules as vague as possible, and pick out random exceptions, and you can ban anyone for anything.

Because that makes sense. Anything that is ambiguous in the EULA is not that way because they like banning people (that makes absolutely no sense). It's that no one can write a perfect document stating what you can and can't do.

FengShuiDove

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17 Jun 2010 at 22:22 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

According to the rules, it does. According to Gaile/Regina it doesn't. Hey, ambigiousness is how they role. Keep your rules as vague as possible, and pick out random exceptions, and you can ban anyone for anything.

No it doesn't. It doesn't modify the client or servers in any way; it simply modifies the the interpretation of the data on the client side.

Soooo... no.

Emily Diehl

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ArenaNet Home Base

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18 Jun 2010 at 00:48 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Highlighted parts are either parts added or modified later that differ from the original compilation of the rules. They're highlighted for you to better notice the updates in the RoC.

Gill is right about this. We highlight the text each time the Rules are updated to draw attention to the stuff that's been changed. It's easier for people than trying to compare the versions

Killed u man

Forge Runner

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18 Jun 2010 at 10:55 - 16

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

No it doesn't. It doesn't modify the client or servers in any way; it simply modifies the the interpretation of the data on the client side.

Soooo... no.

The injection doesn't modify the client either. It solely reads packets (In no way different than we "read" the screen, and replies certain packets with interrupts.

They clearly hint at any form of modification of your "Guild Wars experience". Anything that didn't came with the original package falls under this category.

And the fact that they (Gaile or Regina, forgot who) did specifically had to mention Texmod was OK, clearly shows it would've fallen under the not-allowed category.

He asked what the highlighted parts were, I replied with the honest anwser that they were modifications to the old EULA which solely make it more ambigious, or atleast not more clear in the least bit.

JupiterStarWarrior

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18 Jun 2010 at 12:13 - 17

In regards to TexMod and other such things...

If you have to ask, don't. Is it seriously worth getting banned over? In my opinion... No it doesn't. So, why risk it?

And, yeah. Highlighted parts are there either to signify importance or to signify changes.

The Scorpion Knight

Krytan Explorer

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19 Jun 2010 at 17:58 - 18

That should be move to #1, or maybe #2.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

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19 Jun 2010 at 18:31 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

The injection doesn't modify the client either. It solely reads packets (In no way different than we "read" the screen), and replies certain packets with interrupts.

And this is why it's bannable:

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Guild Wars Rules of Conduct

18.You will not attempt to interfere with, hack into, or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers running Guild Wars.

Seems clear enough to me. This also explains why apparently harmless stuff like PaketFakor triggered the detector. Even if PaketFakor is no cheat program, it's still a hack.

Also, it is bannable for this:

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Guild Wars Rules of Conduct

22.You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

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In-game Infractions

The following will result in an account mark (suspension) or an account termination, depending upon the severity of the matter:

- Using, developing, releasing or promoting a "bot" program.

Read both the EULA and the RoC better, as the vague parts are indeed really minimal, unless you want to play the fool.

What else do you need?

dts720666

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19 Jun 2010 at 20:41 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

In regards to TexMod and other such things...

If you have to ask, don't. Is it seriously worth getting banned over? In my opinion... No it doesn't. So, why risk it?

I found the following statement from Arena Net customer service: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/e...t10439627.html

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Some players have said they believe that their account was terminated because they used certain third-party programs such as TexMod or Guild Wars Multi-Client. We do not action the accounts of people who use these programs because in their original form they do not give players an inherent gameplay advantage. That has been true in the past; that remains true today. But the accounts that were terminated were not using such programs. Either the players involved were knowingly using cheat programs, or they were using what they thought were benign programs that had been altered, turning them from acceptable to unacceptable.