What can paragons do?

@Nubarus:

Paragons obviously lose to other professions in terms of AoE damage, since they have none, and lack of multi-attack or multi-hit skills means that they cannot benefit from buff skills as much as other physical damage dealers.

They also lose to other professions in single-target damage.

Warrior beats them with better skills, faster attack speed, strength and knockdowns;

Dervish beats them with better attack skills, higher damage from scythe, and huge damage buffs from Aura of Holy Might, Vow of Strength, etc.

Assassin beats them with better attack skills, faster attack speed, critical hits and dual strikes;

Ranger beats them with multi-attack skills (dual shot and similar) as well as damage buffs such as Glass Arrows, Read The Wind, Expert Focus, Favorable Winds, etc.

so... while paragon can deal adequate damage to single targets, they lose to any other profession no matter which aspect of damage dealing you look at.
This should be a topic of discussion for the paragon updates that the dev team is working on. Apparently you didn't read everything I wrote before.

If you only use the spear builds from pvx you are indeed very limited with the use of the Paragon, hence the reason I don't use em. (All 4 builds, that's pretty sad actually lol)
Besides the fact it's way more fun to tinker with builds and create a build with trail and error, it is also more useful since a build is growing and you grow with it, by the time the build is finished you already master it.

And some other thing, it's not always about the big dmg you deal compared to other classes that are made for big dmg, the Paragon was added mainly as a command class, not a front line melee fighter or backline area bomber.

I really realllllly hope Anet won't listen to most of the whining and dumb out the Paragon like they did with the Rit, after that crap arse skill buff it was like the invasion of the Rit's. I hate to see 5-10 Paragons in every town bitching who can use the "cool new build" like the Rit's do now with SoS..........

personally I find the Paragon one of the most effective classes for Hard Mode play, no matter what role you choose.
This is surprisingly true. Yes some skills are far to conditional for "balanced" teams, but as a team, the devs need to be very careful with any buffs.
Unconditional buffs and heals? You wouldn't need to be anything other than a Gon.

I don't need to fix their builds since they are pretty much rubbish if you ask me.
I have a lot of experience playing a Paragon as a command backup, a shout healer and damage dealer, personally I find the Paragon one of the most effective classes for Hard Mode play, no matter what role you choose. That's why you fix them or add your own. That was kinda the point. You don't need to, but you claim to know better.

How about posting some detailed and descriptive guides here along with builds to go with? You don't know so much and don't have any such great builds I'm sure, but you can prove it.

People who hang out on PvX are looking to help people, share things openly, and to become better players. That's clearly not your goal. The site has it's idiots, but those are everywhere.

You talk big, but you have nothing to show.
This is clearly false.

PvX builds have constantly been discredited and often post negative reviews on builds that later become the "meta".

Do you honestly think that people who work hard on knowing the actual physics of the game then post said builds on PvX without intensive guild/friends testing?

PvX is a user generated site. That means if you know better you could have said something. Not with the way ppl "communicate" there. I play games for fun and the way things go on PvX is not my idea of fun.

I had a guildy who was told that he deserves to be killed because he didn't use discordway heroes, he was 12 years old and stopped playing the game.
Stuff like that tends to make me say, no thx to bs sites like that.

Too bad that a thread that was supposed to be informative about the Paragon's qualities has turned into a QQfest about some butthurt guy who was vomited out by the PvX community. I never had any personal experiences with the PvX community, but thx for making it clear to me why that was a wise choice since it's pretty obvious by the way you communicate you are part of it.............

And not much information was provided other then "only imba is useful" and "go play something else because paragon sucks".

Those that said anything positive about anything other then imba where either ignored or misunderstood. (unless you bring up dagger spammer or hundred blades that is)