Trader ethics

This isn't about scams - they're another (nasty) thing altogether.

What I'm wondering about are peoples feelings on interacting with the buyers and sellers both in-game and on Guru. While my experiences have mostly been positive, there have been occasions where I haven't been real happy. For instance, I hate when someone posts with a higher offer after someone else has already taken the sellers listed b/o. What I despise even more is when the seller doesn't honour the b/o and instead goes for the higher offer.

Now, I realize that many people have an "all's fair in love, war, and the GW market" attitude about trading. I guess it's especially temping to toss your ethics out the window when you see something that you've been looking for for ages. But, personally, I wouldn't engage in (what I consider to be) greasy tactics just to get something I want. Nor would I do it from the sellers side just to get a few more plat or ecto.

That's just one example I guess. Anyone else have any thoughts or pet peeves?

I personally will always take the higher offer if its above the b/o as there is no repercussions to taking the little bit of extra cash and imo if the bidding goes beyond the b/o that means the b/o was set too low.

In regards to things that piss me off in trading is the fact most of the exotic items collectors such as myself have involve less than active players. I am completely guilty of this and have since stopped trading for the time being as I hardly ever login to even make the deals.

I hate when people sell based on bids with no set end date, and don't update the bidders on when they plan to end it.

And yeah, people who post higher than the buyout are lamers

It's annyoing to see that nearly 50% of the ingame C/O's are fakes....
especially when they are ridiculous high so that you can see that its a fake even without asking about who gave the offer.

And like you already said.... it's annyoing when ppl outbid your b/o offer!

Another thing i can't stand is if people try to tell you that you can put upgrades on noninscribable shields and then start to insult you, if you try to explain them that it's not possible.
Or if they just keep on saying that it is possible and don't change their mind even if you show em links from wiki and give em upgrades to try it...
that's just ridiculous...

greetz

For this i allways have 30hp shield mods allways on storage giving em away for peeps who do that and they can try it on their own, sofar everytime ppl said Sorry after :P

That's true.... Most times they say sry when they can try it their own.
But its still just ridiculous to call someone else a noob or something if you dont even know you cant upgrade noninscr shields/offhands/wands

Heres one thing that I do not like:

seller: "WTS yadayada"
buyer: "how much?"
seller: "offer"

I just want a price, even something to work around.

Lol yea it does get quite annoying, also when people think they know a price, when you are absolutely sure that your price is the RIGHT and they say, lol no goodluck with that. Well guess what, goodluck being ignorant.

xD

This. As a buyer, there have been several items that I have really wanted (either for use or resale) on which I have taken the b/o price, and someone else has come along and bid higher. Sometimes sellers honor my b/o, sometimes they don't. I really appreciate the people who honor it and usually thank them for it if I know about the other offers. When sellers don't honor the b/o, I do get kind of annoyed. The point of a b/o is that you are willing to sell now at that price. If it was set lower than people were willing to bid, that's the seller's fault in my opinion.
As a seller, I have had several people offer higher than the b/o on items I've been selling, and I always honor the lower b/o price. I know how annoying it is as a buyer to be outbid when you've already done all you can to secure an item.

I also dislike when people call me a noob because I won't pay their overinflated price for something (this was especially annoying back when I was a PC Guru and knew prices pretty well). If I had said something rude first, that would have been one thing, but something like "Sorry, 50k is too much for a req 9 FDS" does not warrant name calling imo.

This infuriates me the most. *pulls hair out*

lol I remembered the first time this happened to me on these forums after reading this. I ended up pm'ing a moderator at the time asking if that was allowed and got the usual response that it wasn't against the rules and is up to the seller to honor his B/O or not. Which is fine I didn't get too upset and moved along, later the reverse happened to me where I was the seller and since it's up to the seller I did the same :P

Wow, now that I dug through my old PM's I realize the seller was Cleavage... omg cleav u bastage... u made me this way! lol <3

Awesome!

Meh, I hate when ppl ask offers, even tho i do the same, tbh 99% of players do it, Eventho i allways say price if guy wont offer

I know it's a bit different, but imagine if you walked into a store and asked a salesperson the price of their merchandise. They look at you and all they say is, "offer," you say, "how much were you looking for", "offer" they say again, you say "um $10", salesperson says "gtfo noob".

By far the worst. It's so annoying + most of the time it's some idiot who wants an obscene amount.

You guys are the elite traders - how about one of you writing a code of ethics? Would be interesting to point idiots to it when they're being twats.

Rule #1 (Kromp's Rule):
If you are selling an item, then you should have a price.

Kromp's Corollary #1:
If you do not know what you want for an item, you are not actually ready to sell.

Kromp's Corollary#2:
If you are not ready to sell an item, do not tell others that you are selling.

I think the opposite is also true, when someone is saying WTB XYZ, then they should either list a price, or have a price in mind. For instance, I see someone with that, ill decide whether I want to sell based on their price rather then whether or not I want to keep it. Take a 20% Forget Me Not, with patience I can buy for 20k, and I will use. On the other hand, I see someone spamming in Kamadan WTB 20% Forget Me Not, and I ask them how much they want to pay for it. I actually dont have a price in mind, so I dont think it should be upon me to set the price, rather to see if what they are looking at is worth negotiating on.

I hate it when people grossly underbid for my stuff or ask for ridiculously inflated prices for their items...and then try to lecture me about prices.

Hah. That should be in the Ventari’s stickies.

But sellers who say "offer" are more an annoyance than an ethics issue. I had an argument in-game the other day with some doofus trying to tell me that a q9 Draconic Spear was worth 20e. Same kinda thing - not an ethics problem, just a moron.

What about people who post something for sale like this:
q7 Str Echovald -2^stance/+30: (c/o: 8000 arms [in-game])

Whenever I see a new high-end thread with an item that already has a high-ish in-game offer, I almost always think "bullshit". I'm sure some of them are legit, but it still seems dodgy.