The Mursaat had a nice little gig going... acting as gods to a bunch of humans. Then we came along, killed a whole bunch of them including many of their leaders, and then set the Titans free to kill nearly all the rest of them. We managed to shut the door to the Foundry and killed off the roving Titans, thus sparing a tiny number of Mursaat from death.
Now their previously subjugated humans are starting to revolt against their tame humans, and we have been contracted to assassinate the very last few of them 1 by 1. I can understand the White Mantle's motive in this war. They want to remain in control. But the Mursaat's involvement is perplexing.
What is their goal? Why are they still around? Why haven't they ran off to wherever they came from in the 1st place to heal, recover, and repopulate in whatever way these things repopulate? The Flameseeker prophecy was fulfilled. The Mursaat no longer need the humans to sacrifice the Chosen and charge the soul batteries keeping the Door of Komalie shut. They were so concerned about the eradication of their species that they set a whole plot in motion in order to prevent the Flameseeker Prophecies. Yet now they allow themselves to just be plinked away?
What am I missing?
What is the Mursaat's Motive in the WiK?
Vyral
ManlyMan
Shhhh... don't point out MASSIVE plot holes.... else you're gonna carried off by some mursaat and "disappear" like D'Alessio :'(
Shayne Hawke
Beats me, but you might find some better answers asking the people that browse this section of the forum.
dancing gnome
Players who read too much into lore and didn't realise the Mursaat were just a throw away enemy not intended to have a greater role in lore (GW lore is kinda bad this way) had rallies and small but vocal groups requested the Mursaat come back and be featured again in GW again. Of course this never made any sense so when ArenaNet did do it it turned out stupid and lame and simply confusing as to why it's treated as significant.
Why anyone thought the Mursaat are cool in the first place is beyond me. They have one memorable skill that becomes forgettable once you're infused and they only fall into core caster professions. I don't think they ever talk in Prophecies either, they are just kinda are there to kill or be killed.
Why anyone thought the Mursaat are cool in the first place is beyond me. They have one memorable skill that becomes forgettable once you're infused and they only fall into core caster professions. I don't think they ever talk in Prophecies either, they are just kinda are there to kill or be killed.
BrettM
I've had similar questions about the motives of the mursaat. I never expected any mursaat to put in a personal appearance given that their species is on the ragged edge of extinction. What could possibly justify the risk? What further use could the mursaat have for the Mantle?
But, as Pyre says, it is a poor warrior who abandons his best weapons. Given their limited numbers, the mursaat may feel that the security of their race depends on having the Mantle available as defenders, requiring the Mantle to be firmly established as rulers of Kryta until they are no longer needed.
There may also be other high-ranking mursaat survivors who have done the same as Lazarus the Dire and hidden pieces of themselves within members of the Mantle. Those hidden survivors might be best served by having the Mantle in control of Kryta until the time comes for them to emerge.
But, as Pyre says, it is a poor warrior who abandons his best weapons. Given their limited numbers, the mursaat may feel that the security of their race depends on having the Mantle available as defenders, requiring the Mantle to be firmly established as rulers of Kryta until they are no longer needed.
There may also be other high-ranking mursaat survivors who have done the same as Lazarus the Dire and hidden pieces of themselves within members of the Mantle. Those hidden survivors might be best served by having the Mantle in control of Kryta until the time comes for them to emerge.
Mintha Syl
I posed the same doubt in the lore section, as soon as mursaat appeared in WiK but it didn't have many followers....
Celestina
Honestly, I would not be suprised if revenge was also a motivator. Would make sense for them to aid the white mantle if they wished to kill off the the ones responsible for their near extinction.
Karate Jesus
Their motivation is for all of them to be found out and killed (except for one) to move the plot more towards GW2!
Or just some Deux Ex Machina thing.
Or just some Deux Ex Machina thing.
DRGN
If I had to guess, it might be because if they had to run off and hide because a handful of humans were kicking their asses, they might not be seen as gods anymore. I mean, if someone you worshiped was like "So yeah, we were almost completely wiped out by eight humans. We're still your gods but we're going to go hide for a while. Cya" then I think it'd look pretty bad. 
But it really is a good question.
But it really is a good question.
Eragon Zarroc
they want sacrafices!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!
pinkeyflower
They exist solely to give players a warm fuzzy glow inside when they kill them.
Iuris
Well, the OP seems to assume that the Mursaat CAN run and hide and rebuild. That's not necessarily true.
Given how WiK goes, I expect that the Mursaat's own centres of power, where the OP expects them to retreat, were what the titans destroyed. I expect the titans focused on those, seeing as Mursaat were their primary opposition, giving time for humans to organize the resistance (in Ascalon, Kryta and Maguuma). So, the first waves of Titans would be sent on surprise attacks on the centres of Mursaat power, expecting the later waves to deal with the remains and the humans. And the later waves never came, thanks to, well, US.
To survive, I expect the Mursaat needed to rely on their White mantle subjects. So, the Mursaat who survived would be the ones with the White mantle - ie, the last ones. Also, I'd say that had the White mantle not been indoctrinated, they would have been able to throw off the Mursaat dominance at any time - but the indoctrination stopped them from even thinking of it.
Given how WiK goes, I expect that the Mursaat's own centres of power, where the OP expects them to retreat, were what the titans destroyed. I expect the titans focused on those, seeing as Mursaat were their primary opposition, giving time for humans to organize the resistance (in Ascalon, Kryta and Maguuma). So, the first waves of Titans would be sent on surprise attacks on the centres of Mursaat power, expecting the later waves to deal with the remains and the humans. And the later waves never came, thanks to, well, US.
To survive, I expect the Mursaat needed to rely on their White mantle subjects. So, the Mursaat who survived would be the ones with the White mantle - ie, the last ones. Also, I'd say that had the White mantle not been indoctrinated, they would have been able to throw off the Mursaat dominance at any time - but the indoctrination stopped them from even thinking of it.
RedDog91
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Shriketalon
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In all seriousness, though, this would be a good element for the finale of the war; the final battle involves a villainous monologue or two, during which we get their motivations straight from their.....um.............do Mursaat have mouths?
CronkTheImpaler
There are many more left than we think... they think when the dragons return they will be able to ally themselves with them,.. there ya go, sounds just silly enough to fit in this games story line.
Cronk
Cronk
Painbringer
Will we be fighting SHIRO again
Thats all i want to know
Note to self...do not forget wild blow
Thats all i want to know
Note to self...do not forget wild blow
Grunntar
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The Mursaat... What is their goal? Why are they still around?
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2) Feed on their souls
3) ??????
4) Profit!
RedDog91
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1) Dominate the humans
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The real estate in Kryta is unbelievable!
4thVariety
Please stand up for the national anthem of the Mursaat Republic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3m-gOelA8g
How else would they rebuild?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3m-gOelA8g
How else would they rebuild?
belshazaarswrath
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#3 = sell former human homes to the sylvari
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Anyway the Mursaat are pretty much all but extinct and their gaiz (the white mantle) are the only people who give two shits about them. Best not to abandon them eh?
EPO Bot
Most baddies in GW are just in it for teh evuls...and that's all.
I never found the story all that great really, tough Nightfall did fairly well.
I never found the story all that great really, tough Nightfall did fairly well.
belshazaarswrath
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To Chicken To Die
Who says the need a motive maybe they just like to play the game
Lishy
I think their motive has yet to be revealed, but may have something to do with GW2. And revenge?
Snow Bunny
hahaha people actually care?
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NerfHerder
Revenge against the Ascalonians(us), world domination, prevention of thier own extinction, and destruction of the rest of the Seers come to mind.
Steps_Descending
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Most baddies in GW are just in it for teh evuls...and that's all.
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For the big bads:
For the Evulz : Great Destroyer (and he may have a reason with Primordius), kinda Varesh (kinda, but there's faith so that can explain it). The dragons (it seems).
Have reasons : Lich, Shiro, Abaddon, Shamans... The mursaats (if you consider them as baddies)
Not a bad ratio. I've seen a lot worse.
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Revenge against the Ascalonians(us), world domination,
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In MMOs, you can expect big bads to have a reasons. Why we have to fight everything in the universe? That's the question of every game.
Trader of Secrets
I thought the mursaat only got control of kryta so that they can stop the prophecy, but now that its done, what are they still doing?
Arduin
The same thing they do every night, Pinky.
Mouse at Large
Easy explanation - toe temperature.
After hanging out in places where they risk frostbite or blisters, they have finally worked out that a more temperate climate will be conducive to their extremities.
Simples
After hanging out in places where they risk frostbite or blisters, they have finally worked out that a more temperate climate will be conducive to their extremities.
Simples
Mustache Mayhem
I like how murro describes the wammo he seen in lions arch.. he said he was pounding beers and the mursatt pounded his rear
Skyy High
The motivation has already been said in this thread. If Lazarus had to hide his "essence" in WM followers, rather than flee to whatever netherworld the Mursaat come from, it stands to reason that all of the Mursaat had to similarly hide (physically or just figuratively) amongst their WM followers. They're too weak to make it on their own at this point, their fates are linked to the WM, so they're giving the war all they have to try to get back in control.
Also, just because they're not human doesn't mean revenge and spite can't be motivators. Lazarus certainly showed both.
There, happy? Can we stop with the "lol story wut?" comments now?
Also, just because they're not human doesn't mean revenge and spite can't be motivators. Lazarus certainly showed both.
There, happy? Can we stop with the "lol story wut?" comments now?
dancing gnome
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The motivation has already been said in this thread. If Lazarus had to hide his "essence" in WM followers, rather than flee to whatever netherworld the Mursaat come from, it stands to reason that all of the Mursaat had to similarly hide (physically or just figuratively) amongst their WM followers. They're too weak to make it on their own at this point, their fates are linked to the WM, so they're giving the war all they have to try to get back in control.
Also, just because they're not human doesn't mean revenge and spite can't be motivators. Lazarus certainly showed both. There, happy? Can we stop with the "lol story wut?" comments now? |
The only story that matters in the WiK is that Salma retakes the throne to ensure that 250 years from now her descendant is Queen. Because Guild Wars stories pretty much end with the final mission (minor exception) people just assumed that the mursaat were all dead. It's annoying that they aren't.