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kainoacoynui

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I was wondering, what profession is best to max all the titles (except the PvP ones) with in general?

Dawn Angelheart

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long story short. Nothing is best.

Lord Dagon

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i would say ele as the best. i dont think anyone can answer that w/out predjuice b/c we all have our favorite class.
but pick your favorite class(i wouldnt go w/ paragon th b/c TBH they fail outside imbagon) it will make getting GWAMM alot less "annoying"

Nijntjuh

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If u wanna max all the titles besides the pvp ones means you will be spending quite alot time on you'r character with that in mind you should choose the profession you enjoy most in playing because you don't wanna play a profession you dislike for all those countless hours you'r working on you'r titles.

Also there isn't really a best profession most professions are good in 1 thing but bad at the other thing. For example my dervish title hunter can't do speedclears or w/e but can very effectivly chestrun/explore because of his great running capabilities.

So just find the character/profession you enjoy the most and stick to that one you can always make different ones for money etc.

WarcryOfTruth

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i wouldnt go w/ paragon th b/c TBH they fail outside imbagon) Why would you lie to him with a statement like that? They have several builds that are superbly effective, maybe not AS much as spamming Save Yourselves, but there are many effective builds.

Ewon

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It really doesn't matter which class you pick, your going to be able to do everything on them anyway. All that you really need is a class that you wont end up getting bored on.

All classes can vanquishes zones, map areas, complete missions, and drink/eat title items, so just pick your favourite. None of the classes are going to be handy-capped for this, all the titles take is time. (and yes, my paragon gets titles fine ^^)

If you are going for any of the account wide titles, you'll end up playing other classes anyway. (Such as a monk for faction farming)

Eragon Zarroc

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whatever you think you would be willing to play on for long long hours. my personal favorite is warrior

Schmerdro

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The best for GWAMM are: Assassin, Elementalist,Monk, Necromancer, Paragon, and Ritualist (in alphabetic order).

Don't pick Mesmers. If you need one (probably for the Panic elite) then just use a hero since they have better interrupting reflexes than any human will ever have. Fast Casting is still bad.
Don't pick Rangers. They are out-damaged by other classes, especially by the Ritualist.
Don't pick Warrior nor Dervish, they have too little damage capability and have a much smaller diversity of builds available compared to an Assassin.

Wyndy

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you are going to be looking at their butt and back of head for hours on end. find something you enjoy looking at. everything else is secondary.
Read the OP's post, he asked for "the best [...] in general." That means playing with a full skill bar

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You can do it on any class you want as long as you have good people to team up with. The OP didn't ask for what is possible, he/she asked for the best. Also, if you're relying on other players to complete your GWAMM requirements for you then your choice of profession is completely irrelevant.



In every single game I have ever played there are always people like you two who always insist that the respective game is balanced and everything works.

First off, nobody asked if the game is balanced; what was asked is what is the best.

Secondly, this game was made by human beings and, unless every professions is exactly the same, there has to be some little imbalance in it.

And thirdly, you need to understand that some people actually enjoy finding little exploits within a system or, in this case, a game. Yes, in the end it doesn't matter because all professions are capable of achieving GWAMM. That's great and I'm not trying to argue against it. But I want to expose my brain to the challenge of finding "what is the best?" I may not be able to answer this question with 100% certainty but I enjoy the journey, the mental stimulation, of making an informed opinion. If that's not how you enjoy playing this game, then that's ok too. But you guys need to quit with this bs that the way that I (and possibly the OP since he asked this question) enjoy to play Guild Wars is wrong.

Luminarus

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Monk, Necro, Rit, Paragon, Ele, Warrior, Mesmer, or Assassin

I just find that rangers, and dervish arent as useful or easy as the other classes. But they arent what you would call difficult either.

kariemindstorm

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Don't pick Rangers. They are out-damaged by other classes, especially by the Ritualist. IMO Rangers would actually be one of the best classes to pick
besides their great ability for surviving which would make survivor cake they are extremely diverse with many builds that can actually deal mass damage and its also difficult to get tired of a ranger because of the millions of different options for builds with them.

Schmerdro

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Survivability: Ritualists can lay low level, low health Spirits that attract aggro and body-block enemies. Rangers have one pet (sometimes) and +10 armor (and an extra +30 against elemental damage). I wouldn't say there's that much of a difference here.

AoE Damage. Rits can play Barrage + Splinter Weapon better than Rangers since most of the damage comes from Splinter Weapon.

Builds Diversity: Rits can play offensive spirits (SoS), offensive spells (DwG), healing (the Restoration line), defensive spirits (Soul Twisting + Shelter + Union + Displacement), and any physical build (mostly because of Spirit's Strength); that's 5 build types. Rangers can play beastmaster (Enraged Lunge etc.), trapper, touch ranger (Vampiric Touch + Vampiric Bite), any physical build (because of Expertise); that's 4 builds types. So Rits have a somewhat higher build diversity and I really doubt how efficient it would be for a Ranger to play trapper or toucher in PvE.

Ewon

Ewon

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro View Post
Read the OP's post, he asked for "the best [...] in general." That means playing with a full skill bar
right... I was totally serious on playing without a skillbar. Seems you missed the point there

Quote: Originally Posted by Schmerdro View Post The OP didn't ask for what is possible, he/she asked for the best. Also, if you're relying on other players to complete your GWAMM requirements for you then your choice of profession is completely irrelevant.



In every single game I have ever played there are always people like you two who always insist that the respective game is balanced and everything works.

First off, nobody asked if the game is balanced; what was asked is what is the best.

Secondly, this game was made by human beings and, unless every professions is exactly the same, there has to be some little imbalance in it.

And thirdly, you need to understand that some people actually enjoy finding little exploits within a system or, in this case, a game. Yes, in the end it doesn't matter because all professions are capable of achieving GWAMM. That's great and I'm not trying to argue against it. But I want to expose my brain to the challenge of finding "what is the best?" I may not be able to answer this question with 100% certainty but I enjoy the journey, the mental stimulation, of making an informed opinion. If that's not how you enjoy playing this game, then that's ok too. But you guys need to quit with this bs that the way that I (and possibly the OP since he asked this question) enjoy to play Guild Wars is wrong. In no way am I saying this game is balanced. I'm not trying to prove that every class can get pve titles. I'm saying that your class doesn't matter, maxing pve titles for gwamm only takes time. You don't need the ability to farm, tank, run multiple builds, or be a skilled player.

Why don't we look at the titles needed:
Survivor - All classes can do this easy
Missions(7 titles total) - All classes can do this easy
vanquishing(4 titles) - "
rep titles(6) - "
Elite skills(4) - "
Cartographer(4) - "
consumable(3) - "
MotN(1) - "

All the character titles, which easy to get on anyone. I wouldn't say an assassin is any better at this than a warrior. The only possible thing you could try to argue one class over the other would be ow fast they could complete things. But seeing as you could just use discord/physway on anyone there is no point. Therefore, my point is that the 'best' class for pve titles, is the one you find fun.

I'm curious to know why you think one class is better for complete these titles. How is an assassin completing these soo much better?

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro View Post
The best for GWAMM are: Assassin, Elementalist,Monk, Necromancer, Paragon, and Ritualist (in alphabetic order).

Don't pick Mesmers. If you need one (probably for the Panic elite) then just use a hero since they have better interrupting reflexes than any human will ever have. Fast Casting is still bad.
Don't pick Rangers. They are out-damaged by other classes, especially by the Ritualist.
Don't pick Warrior nor Dervish, they have too little damage capability and have a much smaller diversity of builds available compared to an Assassin. I'm sorry but the reasoning you give here is bad...
Heroes with better reflexes? are you serious? yes, way back mesmer heroes where godly at rupting, but not anymore, plus this is pve, rupting isn't that needed (and yes it can help out here and there, I know).
Rit have crazy amounts of damage now do they?
Have you ever played a warrior or Dervish with say, phys buffs? I'd say they don't do "too little damage".

Imevil

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Join Date: May 2010

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The GWAMM title is quite easy with any proffesion. I Have maxed it 3 times with warrior, necro and rit. Necro is still my favorite.

Don't pick Mesmers. If you need one (probably for the Panic elite) then just use a hero since they have better interrupting reflexes than any human will ever have. Fast Casting is still bad.
Don't pick Rangers. They are out-damaged by other classes, especially by the Ritualist.
Don't pick Warrior nor Dervish, they have too little damage capability and have a much smaller diversity of builds available compared to an Assassin.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. First try using other builds than the Panic one for mesmers to say something bad about them ( e.g : the AP build ) .
Rangers can do pretty mass damage, this excludes the barrage build ( e.g Prepared Shot build. )

BO6B

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It really boils down to which professions can play the specific titles the best. The physical professions (excluding paragons) can run very well and do the cartography titles well. Caster professions are good at vanquishing and guardian titles because of their increased ability to use discordway. Just play whichever profession you feel you can grind for weeks with =)

Btw @ Schmerdro: The simple fact is that YOU are not good at playing Rangers, Mesmers, Warriors, or Dervish. People give these professions too little credit. You'd be getting your ass handed to you without the tanking professions to take the damage, and mesmers to stop the enemies from dealing it.

Aryn Rand

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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Why have a assasin instead of a warrior? Running in front gathering aggro using splinter weapon etc a warrior do great at this. I am not sure any class can vanquishing better and therefor get elites do missions etc.

The only thing I sure rangers etc will do better than warriors are running as in exploring titles. But if you plan it will you have your explorer titles along with your vanquishing.

Oleg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

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I'm fairly surprised that people are down on wars. If you go for GWAMM you will likely spend a lot of time with H/H. I personally find H/H easier to direct with a war. It's vaguelly annoying with a monk. But that is probably because I like wars and don't particularly like playing monks (although playing as a monk does make you a better war when you go back).

I love playing war, and found GWAMM pretty interesting. I couldn't see myself maxing it again with any other profession. For me it was the best profession to use because I'm very omfortable with it. Even if Rits or sins had a distinct advantage in achieving GWAMM it would still have been easier for me to use a war. I'm just better with them.

So here's the answer, imagine you have to do a mission/vanq/dungeon/etc and there are no guildies or friends online, there are no runners and PuGs are not an option, which profession would you find it easiest to do it with? Whatever profession that is is the best one to go for GWAMM on.

There is such a variation of things you have to do to get GWAMM that no one profession is going to stand out on its own merits alone. Pick the one you like playing.

Or look at it this way, do you really want GWAMM on a profession that won't exist in GW2? We know there will be wars and eles. Everything else is a gamble. It won't make a difference to gameplay, but I wouldn't like it if my GWAMM was obsolete.
Originally Posted by Schmerdro View Post That means playing with a full skill bar
right... I was totally serious on playing without a skillbar.
See smiley.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ewon View Post I'm saying that your class doesn't matter, maxing pve titles for gwamm only takes time. Do you even have a Gwamm character? When you're doing HM missions, HM vanquishes, and HM dungeons it definitely matters which professions you bring, especially for a new player, which the OP probably is. I got my GWAMM on my Paragon, have Legendary Guardian on my Necro and Rit, and Legendary Master of the North on my Necro, Monk, and (almost) Rit. I know I could get GWAMM on all of my characters but I'm also experienced enough to know that it would take somewhat longer on a profession such as a Dervish, Mesmer, Ranger, or Warrior.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ewon View Post But seeing as you could just use discord/physway on anyone there is no point. Do you even play Guild Wars? You're telling me that playing an Imbagon, an SoS Rit, or an AP Caller Necro (which are some of the most powerful PvE builds) is exactly the same as playing some build on a Dervish?

Quote: Originally Posted by Ewon View Post How is an assassin completing these soo much better? Critical Strikes and easiest to maintain IAS (Critical Agility) which is available early on in Nightfall. Remember that Strength only applies to attack skills while Crit Strikes apply to all attacks.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ewon View Post Rit have crazy amounts of damage now do they? I even made a post about this a long time ago: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=105
Can you make a build that does about 100-150 armor-ignoring damage-per-second from longbow range?

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e.g : the AP build The AP build is best used by a Necromancer since none of the skills from the Inspiration come even close to the energy management provided by Soul Reaping and the 3 most important skills, from that build, are PvE skills. And if you're using other skills than the 3 PvE skills then you're lowering your DPS and wasting time. The AP build works on Mesmers, I know that because I tried it when I did HM Zaishen missions and bounties, but it's just not as good as a Necromancer.

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e.g Prepared Shot build. Can it do about 100-150 armor-ignoring damage-per-second from longbow range?

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Originally Posted by BO6B View Post
The physical professions (excluding paragons) can run very well See this build from PvX: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:P/Me_Incoming_Runner
Besides, most people do cartography after they vanquished an area so you don't really need running skills that much. Also, if you actually ever done cartography, you would have known that if you use a speed boost while doing it you might miss a lot of spots so it's better to just walk... slowly.

We aren't having a hard time reading this. It just doesn't matter. There is no 'best class' for getting gwamm.

oh, and yes I have gwamm, I got it shortly after the title came out (back went it meant something). My title characters are now war, para, sin, nec, and monk (and still play, just not as much)

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Critical Strikes and easiest to maintain IAS (Critical Agility) which is available early on in Nightfall. Remember that Strength only applies to attack skills while Crit Strikes apply to all attacks. Reasoning like this is why I find you hard to take serious.

gwamm doesn't take skill, or the right builds to get. Again, it only takes time, which is mainly going to depend on how you play and if your smart about what titles to get when.

Just pick whichever class you think is fun. Do you like physical chars? Caster chars? Changing builds often? Stilling to one build that 'works'? Looking at your ele's backside? Whatever you like, just use that.

Mintha Syl

Mintha Syl

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What I think is the best class for doing everything is the one you like most. Not only cause if you have to spend a lot of time on it you'd better be enjoying that, but also cause I feel you can only make a srong char if you like playing it.

Gift3d

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what this boils down to isn't which class is best at it, cause all classes can get it done, rather which class you really can stand to play through all that boring crap with.

Tharg

Tharg

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since you'll be doing a lot of H/H, you'll probably end up doing a lot of AP / Discord H/H. That works very well with a necro or an ele.

Schmerdro

Schmerdro

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Canada

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I have gwamm, I got it shortly after the title came out (back went it meant something)
That's a good point. You got your GWAMM when there were other people who were willing to do those HM missions and vanquishes, so you had the opportunity to rely on your human team-mates to pull through. The OP won't be as lucky as you were.

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I actually have done 100% cantha and tyria on my ranger, and ran most of the areas. But thanks for making assumptions.
My apologies. I am sorry for offending your cartography skills.

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It's funny that you added "from longbow range" since he was talking about a ranger bow attack build
Originally Posted by Haggis of Doom View Post
if your team has any synergy (read MoP, Barbs, Splinter, Orders etc) MoP and Splinter Weapon all requires tight balls of enemies. You rarely get that with h/h and the OP will, most likely, be forced to h/h many areas.

All I'm saying is that MoP, Splinter and stuff like that are not reliable. The SoS Rit build is consistently powerful and very flexible in its usage.

Wrong again, I h/hed it ^^ and I wouldn't say you could rely on your human team-mates. (you say to avoid pugs anyway... odd. And playing with guild members is still an option soooo.... Are you just saying stuff now?)


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MoP and Splinter Weapon all requires tight balls of enemies. You rarely get that with h/h and the OP will, most likely, be forced to h/h many areas. Balling groups with a war(any melee really) Isn't hard at all, only takes a few extra seconds, but then in 1-2 whirlwind attacks they all die makes up for that little extra time.

You seem to have a harder time using h/h to get things done. (pretty sure you have had threads asking people for help due to h/hing being hard). I'm not trying to say your opinion on this is wrong, but your reasoning for everything... well, it's kind of bad. I think part of the problem here is that the OP is asking what's the best class for getting titles, not who is the best class for specific moments in PvE. Maybe the thread should be 'Which class do you find the most enjoyable for getting titles, and why?'.

Anyways, the OP has the info he/she needs in the thread, so good luck to everyone on their title hunting.

Last words, I wouldn't just title hunt on a char others tell you is the "best" at it. It's going to take a few hours played so pick something you think think is fun to play, and it will be your best.

Haggis of Doom

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Join Date: May 2009

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro View Post
MoP and Splinter Weapon all requires tight balls of enemies. You rarely get that with h/h and the OP will, most likely, be forced to h/h many areas.

All I'm saying is that MoP, Splinter and stuff like that are not reliable. The SoS Rit build is consistently powerful and very flexible in its usage.
Agreed on MoP and balling. But Splinter doesn't really need balling

Since I was arguing for physicals not being subpar for gwamm, a melee character in h/h would likely be the only melee on the team due to horrible melee AI. This means Splinter is going to be cast on the player almost all the time, and all the player has to do is go for the 2-3 monsters balled together by themselves (which happens all the time without player assistance).

Ofc, the build I typically run on my warrior includes Cyclone Axe which works well with Splinter, so I may be a bit biased ^^ In my experience, Splinter works better on melees than ranged physicals, Barrage aside.

I usually bring a SoS rit with Bloodsong, AR, SoH and Splinter. Does more than half the damage of a pure spirit spammer hero, provides enough meat shields, and great buffs to boot.

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Many times I've been in a group with 1-2 other people whose hero had Splinter Weapon but they either used it on me, who was usually a caster and never had time to attack, or on someone else when enemies were clearly spread out and nowhere near the adjacent range of Splinter Weapon. So it's just my personal opinion that Splinter Weapon is a little over-rated. When casting Splinter, heroes should prioritize minions over casters I think, though I usually don't bring it in a physical-less team so I don't know for sure. Anyhow, in my experience, when enemies are few and far in between you don't need massive dps anymore. It's when there are a whole bunch of 'em that you wanna make sure your dps is up to the task

Otherwise I agree with the general idea of playing a character you like for gwamm. A potential completion time of three months is better than five months, but not if you're twice as likely to abandon halfway through and don't have fun in the process.

The Josip

The Josip

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Originally Posted by kainoacoynui View Post
I was wondering, what profession is best to max all the titles (except the PvP ones) with in general? 1. Don't listen to people who say that all are equal. Equality of professions is theoretically impossible.

2. Do you want only GWAMM or go for all titles maxed?

If GWAMM, I suggest (as some did) that you pick the profession you like the most, as any can do it, and having fun while doing it will make it much easier than being efficient while doing it but boring yourself to death.

If despite boredom you want the most efficient profession for GWAMM, I would say Assassin. If not Assassin, I would consider Dervish (especially with the upcoming update). You want to be melee.


If you want all titles maxed, you really need a farming profession, and prepare to grind for months and months, daily. You'll probably need just 4 months of doing nothing but chest running all day long. Won't even mention Zaishen title. And Lucky/Unlucky you need to wait events for (unless you do that with keys which is a problem on its own). So I really hope you're not into maxing all titles at this point in the game, unless someone hired you to do that, and is paying you regularly.

Schmerdro

Schmerdro

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Ewon: Yes, the personal insults are very entertaining and it's what everybody expects by now from GWGuru. I'm sorry I don't have the energy to keep with you in that regard and there isn't much to reply to when you keep making statement after statement without any arguments.

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Originally Posted by Haggis of Doom View Post
all the player has to do is go for the 2-3 monsters balled together by themselves (which happens all the time without player assistance).
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in my experience, when enemies are few and far in between you don't need massive dps anymore. It's when there are a whole bunch of 'em that you wanna make sure your dps is up to the task
I agree that you should always prepare for the harder fights and not worry much about the easier ones. But I always prioritize the healer, that one powerful damage-dealer (usually a boss), or the enemy that can resurrect, and if that target moves out of that nice little ball of enemies (who aren't much of a threat to me) then I will still target the critical enemy and leave the others for later.

Anyway, all of that is irrelevant since it can still be done by an Assassin or a Barrage Ritualist (with higher investment in Channeling) better than a Warrior, Dervish, or Ranger. And the OP did ask for "the best."

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I really hope you're not into maxing all titles at this point in the game, unless someone hired you to do that, and is paying you regularly. LOL