Mesmer's overpowered?

Mesmers are the only things stopping monks from healing out games, if mesmers get nerfed monks need a hit too.

Not completely true. There are a bunch of Assassin attacks that interrupt and daze targets. Temple Strike, for one, blinds and dazes targets which is very helpful against everything. Rangers have interrupts and daze attacks too, so if the mesmer takes a hit they wouldnt need to weaken the monks.

And everyone is flipping out cause i said "overpowered" I just couldnt think of another word. Is "unfair" better? Or how about just saying they have too much of an advantage? better?

Chaos storm really? just step out of it, the only way it would be dangerous if you get KD'd or bodyblocked.

Those people (myself included) wanted buffs to mesmers in pve; the recent buffs in pvp were not needed.Tbh I really don't care if the buffs are reverted or not, as long as the mesmer remains squishey it's not that big of a deal.

interesting topic
always stack and cover hexes! therefore unless your going to dedicate half your bar to counter the possibility there may be a mesmer in the next round, jus sit back and have fun.
they have always been a wicked class but the latest update drew a lot of new attention to the details of the class

you're a bit lacking on the knowledge front

The GW Wiki is your friend. You are being hexed! Read up on hex removal. I sometimes play a Mesmer in PvP. Warrior? If he is at range and engaged with another player, I can make him uncomfortable. If the warrior decides to take an interest in me, empathy and all he will take me down unless I run run run!

Maybe only with empathy he won´t kill you, but there are blindness, weakness and self heal. With any of these melee kill you very hard.

Same thing goes for some Assassins in RA...until you throw empathy on them and then they die due to either
A) No Monk
B) Loads of hexes and conditions covering empathy
C) Bad Monk(see A)

Dear god, everytime some skills from a class that needs buffing gets buffed, there is tons of inevitable QQ threads about that class being OP. Just get over it. There is no such thing as balanced in GW. People will always find a way to tip the scales. You just have to be prepared for it. If you hate necros so bad, become a mesmer and shut them down...

so im supposed to stack my bar with a res signet, hex removal skills, condition removal, and a self heal just in case there isnt a monk? so i only get probly 2 attack skills and 2 enchantments? and what about my energy?? those removal skills are gonna use up my energy kiddo.

Actually Empathy used to not be so powerful. Nobody noticed it when it got buffed because at the time anything that wasn't a diversion/shame-pblock mez was considered inferior and noobish. It wasn't until VoR popped up that those line of skills were noticed, and have dominated RA, and hexways in TA GvG and HA ever since. I've never been a fan of maintainable shutdown effects but as I recall empathy was more of an annoyance back then than the complete shutdown it is now. If they continue the mesmer in GW2 I hope we see more of the clumsiness ineptitude type of anti-melee. Those require timing from the caster and they give the target a fair window to attack between uses, but yield greater results when they succeed.

No don't bring condition removal or hex removal. Self heal is nice but thats about it. RA is luck based, if you get a good team you usually win, if you don't then you usually lose, just run the best build you can and hope you get decent players. No two ways about it unless you sync

If there isn't a monk, nothing will save you. If there is a monk, then he already has removals.

IMO countering mesmers is an easy job. Or maybe it's me, since I play mesmer well I also know how to counter them. You know, just NOT CASTING, and veil can help you not fail. And if ESurge and all those things make you guys QQ, how about energy hiding. I don't know in RA thought, I don't play in RA anyways. BUt if you're playing in AB with it, you can also bring a good mesmer, who can shut the ESurge down.

diversion and shame should be nerfed because 2 of those mesmers brainless spamming those skills on both monks with those dun dun dun storm djinn sins = too strong and way too easy to play

Please. Both Diversion and Shame take skill - a mesmer who just spams them won't do much.


And this is such a charade and hypocrisy. If brainless spamming is to count, any class but mesmer and prot monk should be nerfed sooner and harder.

LOL, hearing Anna complain about sins, like he ever played anything bit 1-2-3 sins.

On topic mesmers are one of the most balanced classes in game, stop hating if you suck at this game.

Currently, that's the only kind of Assassin.

While the complaints of the OP aren't exactly right (although Empathy, Backfire and Visions of Regret could be made somewhat more skill requiring), Mesmers currently aren't balanced. Just look at Unnatural Signet and Spiritual Pain madness.

Mesmers have to pay more attention to surroundings to be effective. Wrong target, wrong skill, wrong timing and you basically just wasted energy, time and the end result was zero against foe. You didn't even do any damage.

Empathy is quite good against Assassins. If I manage to put it before I have been shadow stepped, knocked down, dazed, Assassin dies before me, but I'm almost death too. If I fail to put it before shadow stepped, I die and will do zero damage against Assassin. Smart Assasin stops attacking, runs and waits better chance. This game is not 1 vs 1 after all, but would hate to see be totally helpless against shadow step Assassins, if they nerf Empathy. That is the only defense against them, if I don't bring more defensive skills and that would really ruin the whole point of Mesmers. We need enough offensive skills to make the difference.

mind wrack + non-hex mes skills + headroll, capped by aneurysm

why allow SB to get on a whole team? 2 words, Holy, and Veil (also cure hex)

yep mesmers are OP because they can't create multiple decoys that tend to spike for 100+ armour ignoring damage or get loads of energy for letting their team mates die.

if you think a mesmer is OP it might just be you've seen people using it well?

This is indeed a problem mesmers have. We can hurt you and make you hurt yourself, but in up close battle we're screwed.

sorry bud but esurge buff doesnt make mesmers overpowered, nor e burn

mind wrack makes mes overpowered, u cant switch back to ur low set after u get mind wrack because u take 94 dmg and die because he will unnatural sig u or w/e(in a situation where u have kinda low hp), and if u dont, u get esurged and lose all ur e, i think lowering the damage when u reach 0 energy on mind wrack would make it more balanced, but mesmer hexes are still OP, considering that smart ppl will bring cover hexes, its OP to deal 133 damage or something like that everytime some1 uses a spell, its OP to make warriors unable to frenzy because they take 110 or something damage every time they attack, u get the point?

Spiritual Pain and unnatural signet are pretty ridiculous right now tbh, they don't need to be smiterbooned or anything but maybe just a small update to make it do packets of damage instead of the crazy spike it does atm.

Ever seen an oldschool GoR Dom Mesmer? Link here for a somewhat newer version. The older kind used to pack Gale to stop you from kiting coordinated melee and to make interrupting that cast upon getting up. And the strong and brave used Glyph of Essence to make Diversion a 50 second disable on one skill. Dual Pleaks or multiple Shames/Diversions got annoying as heck. It wouldn't kill on its own but with at least one good melee and a good monk it could be nasty.

I am not an active player but it looked like fastcast wraps on wands and offhands took a hit so Mesmers really got a stealth buff there too. Even so the only thing holding monks up right now, aside from their really buffed up healing capabilities (compared to Boonprots), are the Warrior stances. The buff to Mesmer's energy denial was one that the community wanted to counter said stances and guess what, they got it.

Heck even damage has been buffed to a large level. The devs have been pushing for a harder and faster gameplay in the past few years (see the GvG updates recently) and consequently it becomes harder to balance. So many variables have been introduced that it has become hard for them to scale it back without creating a series of seemingly "dartboard balances".

Take a look at Warriors splitting for ganking in Prophecies. Damage, degen, e-denial and shutdown were hard to fit on one bar and comparatively benign to today. Consequently a Shockaxe Warrior was a desirable means of ganking npc's by solely surviving on skill and Healing Signet.

Unless a huge gigantic comprehensive overhaul is made for the sake of puny RA (read unlikely), the state of balance in it is fine for the moment but for one tiny eensy weensy thing I loath:

MULTIPLE MONKS ON THE SAME TEAM = A REALLY SUCKY MATCH

1. That means 1 less monk that could have gone to other teams.
2. It means that if you get 3-4 monks on one team you might just turtle which is boring for neither team will kill anything.

don't hate on mesmers.... hell warriors can kill u with 4 blows... which stinks... but that is what they do.... go l2p PvP or better yet go back to PvE

oh... any btw.. if you wanna go break shit alone then go bubble with paladin in WoW or sheep thing... you'll be much better there ... bunch of pig faced retarded dysfunctional rubbish for people. your all a sick excuse for GW players...
what they should nerf is the trash that runs around the feet of decent players. in short... they should nerf you.. nerf you out of the game.

i take it your monk never heard of pre-veil or dual hex rem.

The windriders outside rata were interupting Gwen's 1/4 (9 fast casting) spells yesterday, absolutely pathetic! Gwen got her marching orders in favour of brute strength

Mesmers are so easy to kill it's funny. I can't believe someone is complaining about mesmers being overpowered when they were the weakest class in the game since the start.

I used to play that build and it was hilariously good fun but not every idiot could run it well unlike esurge.

Weakest class in the game since the start? I think this thread is mainly about mesmers in PvP.

I'll admit mesmers can be really nasty in PvP but they're meant to shut down and disrupt other classes, so I don't think that there is a problem. Yes in RA the hexes get out of hand if there is a mesmer and a necro or two mesmers but that's more a problem with 4v4 formats than with the mesmer profession itself.

Mesmers aren't OP'd at all in PvE...that's all I feel I need to say about that.

In RA Mesmers are really really useful...but if you're running a dom build even with empathy there's a good chance that a warrior,sin,ranger, or dervish will plow you down. So I feel like the ability for mesmers to take out monks who like to hide behind stances all day is fair. To be fair mind shock ele's can do that too just through constant KD and high damage rather than e denial.

In the rest of PvP...I dunno. It seems to me that in HA you could put together a grand old spike with e surge. But I haven't played HA for a long time so I'm way behind on what is happening in the meta.

Wind Riders have Cry of Frustration; they obviously cast it on someone else in the party and managed to accidentally hit Gwen. Not hard when you have 5 AoE interrupts hitting your party at the same time.

the target has to have energy available to lose for the damage from esurge to proc. i would not suggest a spike comprised purely of esurge unless you plan to face all ele teams.

I agree Mesmers are OP ATM. It seems like they only balance PvP based on GvG.

Mesmers OP? Not from where I'm standing. Sure, the HM PvE Mesmers put up a good fight, but HM does stand for Hard Mode(hint: the trick to beating them starts with the letter Longbow and ends with the letter flag your heros). In general PvE Mesmers can finally fill a niche in random pug groups. PvP has always been a comfy home for the mesmer and are still annoying to face, thats nothing new. And, adding a Mesmer hero(not just Mesmer skills) is finally a viable option. In my opinion, Mesmers arent OP, they are finally where they were supposed to be.

Sure, after a big skill buff new speed clears and team/builds are little OP to exploit the new skills(Im looking at you Keystone Way). Here again, nothing new. In due time they will get fixed and everyone will complain "they broke my win button". Its the circle of life.

Nerf Keystone? Naaaaah.

I agree on insidious parasite for pvp.change it to
same casting time
same recharge
same duration
description: for ?? To ?? Seconds target foe has (??%) chance to miss with attacks. Whenever that foe misses with an attack you steal ??... To ?? Health from that foe.

Needs to have some other part in description to where if blind is on the target
blind doesn't stack with the chance of a miss(IP's) but more like insidious parasite has it's own chance of missing and won't be uberly overpowered when foe is blinded.

Lern 2 use Boon Signet / Divine Boon monk:

Rof / Guardian / Dismiss Condition / Boon Signet / Signet of Rejuvenation / Deny Hexes / Divine Boon / Dolyak Signet.

E Surge isnt a problem at all when you can heal and prevent KDs on yourself on 0 energy, and pull out a super heal with Either RoF or Dismiss as soon as you reach 5 energy.

If youre still using WoH monks in RA that cant do anything once they reach 0 energy, then youre doing it completely wrong!