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Raven Wing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

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22 Jul 2010 at 22:48 - 1

Despite all that is said about GW being dead we still have newbies joining this game. I sometimes park myself in ascalon, and its clear that there are still tons of newcomers. They do what us vets laugh at, try to sell their starter armor, ask for a free weapon etc. Some might qualify for the stupidest comment thread, some just ask basic questions or ask for some help. Some are 12 years and rude and believe they know all about GW after having finished Prophecies.
But many of them are just random grownups who bought gw cheap and try it out.
I had a nice chat with a guy, I bought a z key he had as a gift from him, and we had a talk about armors, dyes, tonics, he had no idea why there was suddenly a monster inside town....

I gave some simple advice and enjoyed the chat.

Think of it. Lets not be arrogant to newbs. Lets welcome them and help them out a bit. Noobs we can hate, but let's welcome the newbies who just want to learn the game

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

22 Jul 2010 at 23:27 - 2

The influx of new players is not a particular surprise. Sitting around Kama/Shing Jea/Pre makes it pretty clear.

The real question is how many of those noobs will maintain interest long enough to get to KC/LA/Consulate Docks? And how many of those will keep playing after?

Not many, I'm afraid.

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

22 Jul 2010 at 23:31 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

The influx of new players is not a particular surprise. Sitting around Kama/Shing Jea/Pre makes it pretty clear.

The real question is how many of those noobs will maintain interest long enough to get to KC/LA/Consulate Docks? And how many of those will keep playing after?

Not many, I'm afraid.

Why wouldn't they?

I agree with Raven Wing that we should be nice to the newbs and offer our help to them. There is this new guy in my guild who just bought the game and had no idea what almost anything is. He was pretty excited seeing all of the minipets in towns and he was asking how to get one. It was pretty awesome seeing how excited he was when i gave him a kirin and mursaat i had stuffed in my storage.

Seeing all of these new players joining the game definitely proves that the game is far from "dead" as some would have people believe.

Raven Wing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI]

N/

22 Jul 2010 at 23:34 - 4

If we see some of them being nice, then lets be nice to them too

Maybe they will stick around to populate the game in the dead time before gw2 comes out. I do hope it will be at christmas time this year, but it can last another year...
(yes im perfectly aware that you can get gw almost for free these days and that atracts tons of ppl that arent really interested)

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

22 Jul 2010 at 23:41 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanier

Why wouldn't they?

Why don't they, you mean?

If you have offy privileges in the guild, I dare you to try sitting around pre-searing or Shing Jea monastery and recruit as many new players as you can in a 3 day period.

Then watch how many of them are still logging on a few weeks later. It'll be quite the drop-off I'm willing to bet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanier

There is this new guy in my guild who just bought the game and had no idea what almost anything is. He was pretty excited seeing all of the minipets in towns and he was asking how to get one. It was pretty awesome seeing how excited he was when i gave him a kirin and mursaat i had stuffed in my storage.

... To the extreme. Their main draw in the game is vanity items that have no bearing or effect on actual gameplay. @ the very least it's a mini Kirin and Mursaat that will be off the GW mini market in a couple of weeks.

AmbientMelody

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2009

Poland

N/A

22 Jul 2010 at 23:43 - 6

I suggesting banning all old players which log to the game just to moan and pollute the atmosphere, so those who actually want to try this game out and have some decent fun will be able to

Just a friendly advice. Community is not as laid-back and friendly as it used to be. Think of it, each time you are moan to newcomers.

Hells Fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/D

22 Jul 2010 at 23:50 - 7

Kinda sux tho...

After a couple of weeks most of them get attitude while trying to convince you that their cleave mending chilblains builds are actually awsum and that we sux and we should gtfo.

So why bother...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

I suggesting banning all old players which log to the game just to moan and pollute the atmosphere, so those who actually want to try this game out and have some decent fun will be able to

Just a friendly advice. Community is not as laid-back and friendly as it used to be. Think of it, each time you are moan to newcomers.

All old players are moaning and lurking on forum while playing the game in theory.

(ow andd waiting for gw2)
Actual gameplay is on events, bounties and updates.

rampage365

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

22 Jul 2010 at 23:54 - 8

I agree with OP we should be nice to newcomers. But the thing is, I kind of see where Gennadios is coming from as well. Let face most of GW world are pretty much deserted, so these players come into the game and have to do everything solo. This might just be the reason why some of them quit too early. Imagine that being in a town and spamming LFG for an hour with not even one response. Only a fortunate few even figure out that you can join a guild. And even less people can find themselves over to sites like Guru for help. I am not saying that we should just give up helping them, but Gennadios has a valid point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanier

Why wouldn't they?

I agree with Raven Wing that we should be nice to the newbs and offer our help to them. There is this new guy in my guild who just bought the game and had no idea what almost anything is. He was pretty excited seeing all of the minipets in towns and he was asking how to get one. It was pretty awesome seeing how excited he was when i gave him a kirin and mursaat i had stuffed in my storage.

Seeing all of these new players joining the game definitely proves that the game is far from "dead" as some would have people believe.

OMG THAT'S GREAT IDEA!!!!! Thank you very much

Now I know what to do with the useless minipets I have taking up my storage space

Also some other items

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

23 Jul 2010 at 00:18 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

The influx of new players is not a particular surprise. Sitting around Kama/Shing Jea/Pre makes it pretty clear.

The real question is how many of those noobs will maintain interest long enough to get to KC/LA/Consulate Docks? And how many of those will keep playing after?

Not many, I'm afraid.

Does it matter if they stay? ANet has there money anyway. And, most of the good ones will stay. Who cares if the 10 year olds leave?

rampage365

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

23 Jul 2010 at 00:24 - 10

HEHE just passed out 7 mini's and gave someone 1k in Ascalon

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

N/

23 Jul 2010 at 00:40 - 11

At least once a week I have to pm someone who's trying to buy zcoins or sell bmp weapons to set them straight, and i'm pretty sure they aren't newbies..............

Elri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Liverpool

Vm

Mo/Me

23 Jul 2010 at 01:09 - 12

good to see you're a Vet..gimmie you're number..my parrot is sick...

Silvia Shadowback

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Sleeping at Worlds [End]

N/Mo

23 Jul 2010 at 01:27 - 13

yep, several times when i've found myself bored i just map to Ascalon and start asking riddles with a prize of a z-key or some gold. Fun way to keep me entertained as well as letting some newbies get some gold. Even though 3k isn't much to most a newer player will shit themselves if they got it.

snaek

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

N/

23 Jul 2010 at 01:57 - 14

for $20, y not give gw a try?

many wont last though.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

Rt/

23 Jul 2010 at 02:11 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaek

for $20, y not give gw a try?

many wont last though.

This.

It's cheap, been on sale quite a few times on steam, and has gotten a lot of positive feedback from the gaming community. There are some people who try it and don't like it.

shump

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

23 Jul 2010 at 02:46 - 16

I was reading this while doing some randomway for the Zquest in HA and had a necro on my team he had flesh golem and everyone started calling him a noob. And he was saying im sorry. So i was nice enough to help him out I though i just show him a build and give him a couple of tips. Little did I no he had only 1k balth faction total. So i ran him from LA to droks and caped Spiteful spirits and gave him and RA bar for it and told him how to use it. He tried to give me 10k for helping him but i declined it and told him to learn to play to repay me.

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

23 Jul 2010 at 02:50 - 17

I mean seriously, if someone buys a game I would hope they wouldn't give up because some old tard talked bad to them in it.

New people has been a blessing in disguise for me.

I have basically turned into a chest running grinder that likes to help new players. Not complicated, but what else do i have to do now anyway. I enjoy helping people and they hopefully appreciate it.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

23 Jul 2010 at 02:56 - 18

When people say Guild Wars is dead they are generally referring to the pvp aspect which was the strong point of the game. I don't say this being biased (I do not gvg) I say this because it is the truth and Guild Wars pvp was close, if not the best pvp of any mmorph out there.

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

23 Jul 2010 at 03:23 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMSDome

When people say Guild Wars is dead they are generally referring to the pvp aspect which was the strong point of the game. I don't say this being biased (I do not gvg) I say this because it is the truth and Guild Wars pvp was close, if not the best pvp of any mmorph out there.

When the PvP community says GW is dead, that's generally what they're referring to.

The PvE peeps have their own gripes. The only part of PvE that's still kicking is the high-end content.

There simply aren't enough veteran players re-playing the low level crap to help out the young'uns. It's been close to 6 months since I've made my final char, and even then I henched most of the early content. I can safely say the rest of the established players have a similar story.

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

E/

23 Jul 2010 at 05:19 - 20

Some of those newbs know more than they let on. I think some of them are playing from scratch after losing their accounts a short time back. Someone will ask a question about basic game play, or for a handout, then 10 or 15 minutes later answer a question about late game content with great detail.
I "helped" someone that "didn't" know how to do a mission. (The Wall mission.) As soon as I joined his team and added 2 heroes, he started the mission. His first time through, he was running and getting the armor pieces for the bonus. So much for not knowing how to do the mission.

Ichorspring

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Canada

Me/

23 Jul 2010 at 05:42 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

Does it matter if they stay? ANet has there money anyway. And, most of the good ones will stay. Who cares if the 10 year olds leave?

The "good ones" will leave too if they find that the MMO they thought they were buying ends up being a solo game populated with npcs with little more to offer than snide comments. You can also be pretty sure they won't bother putting out for GW2 if their introduction to the franchise was a listless, irritating experience.

Mouse at Large

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Scotland

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

23 Jul 2010 at 08:43 - 22

Without new players, all we'll be left with is a bunch of embittered old vets QQing about the good old days and bleating about how game updates have ruined/overbuffed their skills/builds. Genuinely new players who have purchased the game also provide ANet with a revenue stream to enable GW2 to crawl closer to release.

Occasionally I'll pop over to a low lvl area and help out a new character. I'll even give them some of my surplus equipment if they seem pleasant. I'm not saying thet makes me a standout nice guy, but it takes very little of my game time and in a small way helps to sustain the community.

I may have been playing for nearly 5 years, but at one time I was a clueless "newbie/noob" as well

The Riven

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

None worth mentioning

P/

23 Jul 2010 at 09:29 - 23

I am loving the new players I meet and I often help out in low-level areas when i get bored doing anything I need to do. Puging with people who have never heard of PvX is truly refreshing, Yes sometimes it gets frustrating, but not because they have bad builds (I normally bring my 3 heros as to negate whatever bad builds people are running) it's the little things like agro control they havent got the hang of yet, it's so easy to make these players happy with just a little gentle guidance, patients and generosity. and some of them, within a few days can actually turn into great little players (even if they are a little nubby at times.)

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

23 Jul 2010 at 12:41 - 24

I've spent the past few days doing nothing but helping people who ask for it. In the old days I used to help people with Villainy every day. My Derv would run them to TOA and my Necro would mow down Galrath's evil hordes. ^_^

Angel Killuminati

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

UK

23 Jul 2010 at 12:47 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven Wing

Think of it. Lets not be arrogant to newbs. Lets welcome them and help them out a bit. Noobs we can hate, but let's welcome the newbies who just want to learn the game

That paragraph speaks volumes really about any online gaming. Why do 'we' need to tell people not to be arrogant prats to newcomers?

I've never been mean to new players and I see no reason to be. It's sad that people have to be told to be nice, isn't that part of their nature anyway?!

P.s, I want to be a Jedi master. I like training apprentices. Any newcomers wana be a friend?

khezial tahr

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2008

Devil's Rejects [DR]

Mo/

23 Jul 2010 at 15:53 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by shump

I was reading this while doing some randomway for the Zquest in HA and had a necro on my team he had flesh golem and everyone started calling him a noob. And he was saying im sorry. So i was nice enough to help him out I though i just show him a build and give him a couple of tips. Little did I no he had only 1k balth faction total. So i ran him from LA to droks and caped Spiteful spirits and gave him and RA bar for it and told him how to use it. He tried to give me 10k for helping him but i declined it and told him to learn to play to repay me.

That is a great story. When I started I ran across all sorts of people who were insanely helpful. I ran through most of prophecies with a group of what started as a PUG.

Warvic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2009

The Netherlands

A/W

23 Jul 2010 at 16:24 - 27

I think GW2 has something to do with it. GW2 is getting more and more attention in non -GWforums. So i think those people are interested and check GW1 out!

Wish Swiftdeath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Mo/W

23 Jul 2010 at 17:24 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perkunas

Some of those newbs know more than they let on. I think some of them are playing from scratch after losing their accounts a short time back. Someone will ask a question about basic game play, or for a handout, then 10 or 15 minutes later answer a question about late game content with great detail.
I "helped" someone that "didn't" know how to do a mission. (The Wall mission.) As soon as I joined his team and added 2 heroes, he started the mission. His first time through, he was running and getting the armor pieces for the bonus. So much for not knowing how to do the mission.

I've noticed this too, i've helped one or two people with basic game mechanics, early missions and quick pvp advice only to hear them asking questions about high-end gvg, getting multiple 25 streaks in RA and asking about qknocking and how to set their interface two days later.

In particular I like introducing people to pvp and teaching them all the little things necessary to be competitive even though I haven't been part of the serious pvp scene for a while.

I'm surprised more people don't do this, they're usually really grateful and you end up with a new person to replace the guy on your friendslist that last logged on half a year ago.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Minnesota

[TAS]

R/

23 Jul 2010 at 20:25 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichorspring

The "good ones" will leave too if they find that the MMO they thought they were buying ends up being a solo game populated with npcs with little more to offer than snide comments. You can also be pretty sure they won't bother putting out for GW2 if their introduction to the franchise was a listless, irritating experience.

Actually, see a lot of people over many various forums who generally hate GW1. But they are looking forward to GW2. My friends love WoW with a passion, and they didn't really like GW1 besides the PvP. But, they really can't wait till GW2.

Kawil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

{Hawk}-->The Aerie Alliance

N/Me

23 Jul 2010 at 20:41 - 30

I thoroughly enjoy new players. I'll zone into Ascalon, answer some questions, give some advice and just chat it up. I'll even help with missions (I only heal and they take the henchies not my lvl 20 heroes) but I try to let them do the work. I try never to criticize but it can get frustrating.

I do think that some newbs come in and they see others with max/elite armors, weps, minis, titles, etc...and they want to have it...NOW. I've recruited many players into our guild with the intent of teaching...not hand holding. It does become frustrating when the first thing they want is to get to ToA and start farming or wanting to be run everywhere...especially on their first ever toon.

Still, courtesy goes a long way and even though MMOs require a thick skin, it'd be nice for all to remember...we were once like them.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

23 Jul 2010 at 22:39 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichorspring

The "good ones" will leave too if they find that the MMO they thought they were buying ends up being a solo game populated with npcs with little more to offer than snide comments. You can also be pretty sure they won't bother putting out for GW2 if their introduction to the franchise was a listless, irritating experience.

Not if they leave their MMO baggage at the door or this is their first MMO game.

Many people who don't like GW1 dislike it because they are too used to traditional MMOs and are expecting the same features as those. Instancing, H/H, etc aren't annoying to someone if they don't how it could be different.

Benderama

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2008

UK

[Rage]

Rt/

23 Jul 2010 at 22:43 - 32

yeah, least this time the players have gone to missions and seem to be going ok, rathe than contributing to the SJ crowd

Zebideedee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W

N/Me

24 Jul 2010 at 09:19 - 33

The more, the merrier

Although, a lot of the time when I help newbies, they add me and expect me to babysit them everytime I log on. I really don't mind helping, but to be fair, how much will they learn with me or someone else doing all the missions/quests for them