BLA Hard Mode H/H

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Jeydra
Forge Runner
#1
Anyone managed to do this without using consumables, DP removers, etc? I'm beginning to think it's impossible as Ele primary without some massive amounts of luck.

Personally, I've gotten as far as the Perfected Armour wave, but the mob is simply too big. I might be able to clear it if I could keep spamming Eruptions, but that requires AP to trigger, which in turn requires killing, which in turn requires AP to survive the mob's hex removals. In my last try I got to that wave with many NPCs still alive, but missed one AP and wiped.

With careful enough play, the waves before that are very doable, but I doubt it's possible to clear this one with standard spiritway without huge amounts of luck. If GW had a save / reload option, I'd probably finish, but as it is I doubt it's possible.

I wonder if there's an alternative. I couldn't find any ... the hero most droppable is the Communing Rit (need the Channeling Rit to supplement Alesia's healing), but if I drop it for something that can kill the Perfected Armour wave, I have trouble clearing the waves before it. There's simply no other hero that can deal that much damage and take that much damage.

Has anyone managed to do this? I guess also that this is a great chance for Panic Mesmers and alternative hero builds to prove themselves. Anyone tried Panic heroes here with good results?

EDIT: Stupid caps sensors.
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Spiritz
Forge Runner
#2
One question - why do hm when the reward is exactly the same ?
Just curious
I Hate Chips
I Hate Chips
Krytan Explorer
#4
1 tank....
EoE damage...
Win...
AngelWJedi
AngelWJedi
Furnace Stoker
#6
not sure how you do it in hm, but i did it ele prim in nm with a friend. i went sh ele with a ebon ward took a special mod discord mm, a ua monk and a panic gwen and he went as a scythe sin with a half heal/half sos rt. we only wiped once but we were able to do it.
Essence Snow
Essence Snow
Unbridled Enthusiasm!
#8
For one I would drop AP for AoS. Enough foes die during BLA to quite frequently recharge your bar and E. Maybe aoe blinds/spell interrupts might help? (the ele has both) Might also consider snares while using such interruption aoe like maelstorm.
Painbringer
Painbringer
Furnace Stoker
#9
Panic based Ele / Mesmer combo maybe earth for AOE no need for exhaustion especially in this long mission. Get panic out there and use the choke points and they will screw themselves is my thoughts.
I Hate Chips
I Hate Chips
Krytan Explorer
#12
Oops on that, I indeed meant AoE thanks
But I didn't try the mission yet, I'll try my tactic of tanking and then AoE... Or is that fail 100%?
Life Bringing
Life Bringing
Wilds Pathfinder
#15
The whole tank and spank thing would be extremely difficult to work in BLA considering half the mobs have shadow steps and the other half have rupts/enchant removals etc.

I gave Panic a try and honestly i saw no difference in effectiveness from a standard MM. It decreases the chance of AP getting removed, but there's still the problem of shit dying. Oddly enough, gwen for some reason was less effective at using prots than MoW even though she had plenty of energy to do it.

This mission would be considerably easier if heroes actually stayed where they are flagged. If i take deaths before the Isaiah and the group leading up to and including the perfected armor, it is usually because my heroes are an agro bubble away from where they are flagged, putting them in a very bad position.

Another question is has anyone been able to do this in HM with a full player party? It seems like it would be beyond the capabilities of a player team even if they were to resort to some kind of gimmick.
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kanuks
Krytan Explorer
#16
I tried it 4-5 times but couldn't do it. One of the times i went pretty far, i killed the jade armor boss but died soon after. It's very hard to outdamage them and bodyblocking doesn't work very well because of the npcs.

Did it without too much problems in nm even though the 2 lvl 10 henchies are a joke.
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kanuks
Krytan Explorer
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon View Post
Did it with 4 players and 2 heroes in HM. Took some positioning and planning, but went relatively smoothly once we had it figured out.

As for H+H in HM, I haven't heard of anyone doing it at all, much less without cons. I simply cannot imagine how you would manage this when two of your party members have crap builds and five of them have AI for brains. (Except perhaps for EFGJack's micro-heavy tank-n-spank H+H setup for warriors.) I'm holding out hope that someone will surprise me on this. Too hard to bodyblock properly with all these npcs grabbing aggro.
Life Bringing
Life Bringing
Wilds Pathfinder
#19
And even if he was able to bodyblock them, the amount of damage, rupts, enchant stripping they put out is ridiculous. Not to mention half of them have shadow steps of some kind. Oh, and i think some have rending aura too, so you better hope everything dies in one whirlwind or you're screwed.

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon View Post Did it with 4 players and 2 heroes in HM. Took some positioning and planning, but went relatively smoothly once we had it figured out. Was this with or without cons? And what was the team setup?

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Originally Posted by kanuks View Post
I tried it 4-5 times but couldn't do it. One of the times i went pretty far, i killed the jade armor boss but died soon after. It's very hard to outdamage them and bodyblocking doesn't work very well because of the npcs. Same question, with or without cons and what was the team setup?
Apok
Apok
Frost Gate Guardian
#20
Guys, guys, stop brainstorming.

In a while, CE Devilman will post here with a clutch bar that allows you all to H/H HM this mission. It's his thing.

Just sit back, relax, and let nature take its course, 'k?