Its time someone finally stopped speculating and offering their own opinions regarding the drop rates, how and who and what. I have heard countless arguments spanning four farming scenarios.
> Farming solo (w/ drunken master, no hayda)
> Farming w/Hayda only
> Farming w/party of heroes/hench, max 8.
> Farming with a party of leechers, 6/w hayda
> Farming with 7 leechers.
I have my opinions on this matter. If you care to know them, PM me, because for the purpose of neutrality, i will not express any views on this topic, until replies have poured in. Good old EXPERIMENTATION and HARD DATA is much more helpful to this cause than speculation, he said/she said, and OH BUT I HEARD THIS GW DEVELOPER SAY _______.
I will farm 10 times under each condition, take Screenshots of each time, including my party list and everything, as well as the drops on the ground. Once this data is gathered, i will present it here. I expect this will be done this evening.
All farming will begin 2 PM Utah mountain time, and im sure many of you will have a lot to say about how "b-b-b-b buuutt the drop rate differs at different times! Your sample is not accurate!" Cry me a river, i cant do anything about that. Ill release a second study taking place on a busy saturday, and perhaps a third study at the buttcrack of dawn on a Wednesday, not during summer vacation. THIS WILL TAKE TIME, so be content with this study for now!
If anyone has any input as to how this process could be improved, please, im listening.
and keep your negativity to yourself, i dont care if you have a strong opinion on this topic, I am going to present hard data, pure FACT, and leave you to decide for YOURSELF. I am here to inspire, not convince.
Raptor farm answered.
Speerit Abrams Tank
CagedinSanity
Remember the Control in this experiment. Not sure how Drunken Master effects anything though.
Speerit Abrams Tank
Which control? I will assure that the conditions are the same throughout. The only variable is the time of day, and therefore the volume of farmers. So im electing the afternoon due to a high volume. And drunken master is for achieving speed without hayda. Though it is inefficient due to the need for dwarven ale.
CE Devilman
do U flag heros to away..!
Haggis of Doom
Statistics with 10 samples, eh...
Skyy High
10 runs are not statistically significant. Not trying to be a downer here, just saying, the data won't be useful for statistical purposes.
Further, you're assuming that all trials are separate and have no cross-correlations. It's very likely that the order of your trials will matter (ie, your first runs will get more drops than your later runs).
Further, you're assuming that all trials are separate and have no cross-correlations. It's very likely that the order of your trials will matter (ie, your first runs will get more drops than your later runs).
Voodoo Rage
I hate to say it, but 10 runs isn't going to tell you anything. I did about 500 runs solo and about a hundred runs with parties of varying sizes. My overall income did not vary at all.
Most farming myths have to do with what's called confirmation bias. If you have it in your head that doing a specific thing will net you better drops, you will "remember" those events that confirm your beliefs and "forget" about those that don't. Most of the time when I talk up farmers in Rata Sum looking for leechers they are usually talk in terms of specific events ("I did 5 solo runs in a row with no good drops", "I once got 5 golds with a full party", "I got 2 black dyes today taking leechers", etc...) but never really track any sort of overall accumulation of data.
Most farming myths have to do with what's called confirmation bias. If you have it in your head that doing a specific thing will net you better drops, you will "remember" those events that confirm your beliefs and "forget" about those that don't. Most of the time when I talk up farmers in Rata Sum looking for leechers they are usually talk in terms of specific events ("I did 5 solo runs in a row with no good drops", "I once got 5 golds with a full party", "I got 2 black dyes today taking leechers", etc...) but never really track any sort of overall accumulation of data.
Speerit Abrams Tank
Fair enough, i will leave this to someone with reliable video capture software. I would just do screenshots but that wouldnt provide any reliable proof. And my camtasia is acting up, just wasted a lot of time.
This topic can be further discussed, or closed, at the Mods discretion.
I do acknowledge the sample size would have been small anyways. And i dont want to invest a day into providing 100 samples per control.
My opinion, as it were, is that there is no difference with leechers or heroes, though i do prefer my solo build with drunken master. Its cleaner and faster, no hayda worries, and it creates a placebo effect that makes me feel im getting more, since im solo. Only drawback is without endure pain, all broodmother must do is twisting jaws twice, magically. Which she sometimes does, and im squat.
This topic can be further discussed, or closed, at the Mods discretion.
I do acknowledge the sample size would have been small anyways. And i dont want to invest a day into providing 100 samples per control.
My opinion, as it were, is that there is no difference with leechers or heroes, though i do prefer my solo build with drunken master. Its cleaner and faster, no hayda worries, and it creates a placebo effect that makes me feel im getting more, since im solo. Only drawback is without endure pain, all broodmother must do is twisting jaws twice, magically. Which she sometimes does, and im squat.
Johny bravo
10 Runs each will not give you any solid data to go on.
For example, I do chest runs at 30 chests a day. If I was to take the 30 chests and compile drop rates based on that it would give me not one bit of solid data to go off of.
As an example after doing this for a few weeks I had not received many elite tomes, 2-3 tomes and I always run in HM. In the course of 1 day, 30 chests, I got 5 elite tomes. If I used just one day or even 1 week it would look like elite tomes are a relatively common drop (5/30 ~15%, 5/210 ~2.3%). To get any decent numbers you will have to do enough runs that one run will not have a significant effect on the results.
I applaud you efforts but you will have to do a lot more research before you can put out any solid numbers to make any sort of conclusion on. Even then people will disagree with you.
Good luck though
For example, I do chest runs at 30 chests a day. If I was to take the 30 chests and compile drop rates based on that it would give me not one bit of solid data to go off of.
As an example after doing this for a few weeks I had not received many elite tomes, 2-3 tomes and I always run in HM. In the course of 1 day, 30 chests, I got 5 elite tomes. If I used just one day or even 1 week it would look like elite tomes are a relatively common drop (5/30 ~15%, 5/210 ~2.3%). To get any decent numbers you will have to do enough runs that one run will not have a significant effect on the results.
I applaud you efforts but you will have to do a lot more research before you can put out any solid numbers to make any sort of conclusion on. Even then people will disagree with you.
Good luck though
Speerit Abrams Tank
Yes sir, we have established that.
domaspiragas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Further, you're assuming that all trials are separate and have no cross-correlations. It's very likely that the order of your trials will matter (ie, your first runs will get more drops than your later runs). I'm assuming that you're talking about the anti-farm code. Which is no longer in affect. " Repeated map entry does not reduce loot."
source:http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Anti-farm_code
Chrissie Quickdraw
While my experiences don't come from raptor farming, I have done allot of N/A farming outside Rilohn Passage. I think due to the fact that you kill 10+ enemies at once, the drops are about equal. Ofc the overal gain would be more with raptors due to the simple fact that it's a faster run.
What I however did notice was : (and this was observed after farming for several hours in a row)
There are "bad runs" and there are "good runs". In a "bad run" I would get 1 gold or white item drop, in a "good run" I would get 2-3 gold items/elite tome/gold scroll/green from boss. Overall the runs where "average" netting me about 2-3 white/gold coin drops + the random grapes.
If I had mapped these good vs bad runs out in a statistic there would have been a definite "wave pattern" (I sadly didn't keep track of it, and I won't do such a long farm for a while ... it's boring).
What this would indicate in the long run I leave up to you. I don't farm daily or that long normally, only did it once during an event weekend to "have done it".
(dang that where allot of ""s ... :/)
What I however did notice was : (and this was observed after farming for several hours in a row)
There are "bad runs" and there are "good runs". In a "bad run" I would get 1 gold or white item drop, in a "good run" I would get 2-3 gold items/elite tome/gold scroll/green from boss. Overall the runs where "average" netting me about 2-3 white/gold coin drops + the random grapes.
If I had mapped these good vs bad runs out in a statistic there would have been a definite "wave pattern" (I sadly didn't keep track of it, and I won't do such a long farm for a while ... it's boring).
What this would indicate in the long run I leave up to you. I don't farm daily or that long normally, only did it once during an event weekend to "have done it".
(dang that where allot of ""s ... :/)
Spiritz
Ok im amazed - utterly amazed.
why ?
Because raptors always and i mean always gets me waiting for a post with the Famous words - "OMG THEY NERFED THE DROPS".
I recall ages ago the amount of posts with that title and UW in it - ppl got "dry" runs and suddenly there was an outcry and the posts of it being nerfed.
1 person doing 10 runs proves bugger all - i showed a guildie vaetire farming and tbh - no change in drops even tho we were 2 man.
Anet aint gonna tell us and there isnt a 100% foolproof way of proving anything.
Are we gonna get 1000 players with exact timing , ppl , conditions etc etc and judge 1000 runs to see if data matches - i doubt it.
You only really see ppl brag of good drops and very rarely do you get ppl saying - damn ive had 20 crap runs in a row now at raptors , you only see the ones with - wow x black dyes and loads of golds etc.
I bet anet staff have a gd roflmao at these posts and probably the biggest joke in gw is "us players who cant prove or disprove" what this is all about.Even scarier - do anet staff know themselves ?
How would a programmer test code that produces random events - random is random and to a computer random between 1 and 1 million will be different to asking humans as sadly its been proven we cant be 100% random as we favor some numbers.
This topic will be here till the end of gw with no 100% proven proof being given - maybe on the day just before anet/ncsoft turns off the gw universe they may tell us all and lol at us.
why ?
Because raptors always and i mean always gets me waiting for a post with the Famous words - "OMG THEY NERFED THE DROPS".
I recall ages ago the amount of posts with that title and UW in it - ppl got "dry" runs and suddenly there was an outcry and the posts of it being nerfed.
1 person doing 10 runs proves bugger all - i showed a guildie vaetire farming and tbh - no change in drops even tho we were 2 man.
Anet aint gonna tell us and there isnt a 100% foolproof way of proving anything.
Are we gonna get 1000 players with exact timing , ppl , conditions etc etc and judge 1000 runs to see if data matches - i doubt it.
You only really see ppl brag of good drops and very rarely do you get ppl saying - damn ive had 20 crap runs in a row now at raptors , you only see the ones with - wow x black dyes and loads of golds etc.
I bet anet staff have a gd roflmao at these posts and probably the biggest joke in gw is "us players who cant prove or disprove" what this is all about.Even scarier - do anet staff know themselves ?
How would a programmer test code that produces random events - random is random and to a computer random between 1 and 1 million will be different to asking humans as sadly its been proven we cant be 100% random as we favor some numbers.
This topic will be here till the end of gw with no 100% proven proof being given - maybe on the day just before anet/ncsoft turns off the gw universe they may tell us all and lol at us.
Fusylum
Nobody really knows about the drop rate...
Its like a role of the dice, people have their hoaxes.
Its like a role of the dice, people have their hoaxes.