Account Suspensions for Leechers and Leavers in Competitive Missions

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

I enjoy Fort Aspenwood now and again but it irritates me greatly when people quit or leech. The dishonor system does not work at stopping this behaviour which is why I think that upping the punishment to 1-3 day account suspensions is worthwhile.

Quitters/leechers put legitimate players at a great disadvantage and is unambiguously a form of griefing.

I know some people don't care about FA/JQ, so if you don't, your opinion isn't necessary.

Lord Dagon

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

E/Me

/agree dishonor system isnt enouhg but anet already has too much backlog from all the ppl reporting in kama/indivudla spots. so the dishonor system jsut makes it so they dont have to do more work.

but yes ima say /signed

Wyndy

Wyndy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

in the know

Chronic Chaos

N/Me

I think we were in the same matches today. I agree that the system doesn't work well. I had the same leecher within the space of a half hour. It can be very depressing to play like that

Klimtog

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

It'd only work if they reviewed each case before dolling out this kind of punishment, otherwise you'll get people who think it's fun to report people for leeching to get them banned.

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

too harsh in my opinion. Leavers annoy he hell out of me as well but i think this punishment would be over the top. Also, people sometimes have legit real life reasons why they have to leave a game or go afk for a bit. Since there is no way to differentiate between rage quitters/leechers and people leaving for ok reasons, the punishment unfortunately cant be all that harsh.

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

Perma-ban them AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL-L-L-LA-LA-LALALA ...LALALA-LALALALA!!!!!

/endsarcasm

xMinimalism

xMinimalism

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

USEast

Guildless

W/

10 minutes (minimum, due to the Dishonorable Combatant System) unable to PVP to 1-3 days unable to play the game is far too big of a step in punishment. It's already been mentioned that people have lives other than this game, and have legitimate reasons to actually have to leave.

I agree that the dishonor system isn't as effective as it should be. Possibly a better suggestion would be to double, maybe even triple the time that leechers and leavers are unable to PvP. Or at least double the time that dishonor points remain on the person's account. (They last 60 minutes). Another thing: you can ride off your dishonorable time while not even logged on. (As far as I know, this has not been fixed - and I believe it should)...

Although, before they change anything regarding the Dishonorable Combatant System, I believe they should fix it first. There are too many bugs which get innocent players dishonorable credit.

So basically...
/signed for the idea.
/unsigned for the tremendous increase of punishment time.

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

The leeching system would work if people could be counted on to use it and use it properly, but we've all seen where that's gotten.

If you're that bothered by quitters, take some screenshots of their activity over a series of games/days and report them directly to support.

Desert Rose

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Improvement of the report system

dare49devil

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Danbury, Connecticut

W/Mo

-Not signed...it has gotten annoying that I play the match..and at 95% when we're OBVIOUSLY gonna win I just stand and wait...and half of the time the nazi reporters report me because I'm afk...Sometimes I'm even chatting in team chat.

-You anti afker's report everything you see because you all assume that if someone isn't moving 100% of the time they MUST BE LEECHING.

-But anyway, that was my little rant...But on topic a better leech system that I would suggest (over the 1-3 day ban...) is for when you get dishonorable:

-Alright, as I understand, once you get 10 dpoints you get the pink buff, yes?

-So this allows one rage quit an hour (understandable) and gives leeway so that if one person reports you, you aren't screwed, etc. Blahblah.

-So why don't they just have it per 24 hour span? You first 10 dpoints award you a 5 minute pvp block. The second time you hit 10dpoints you get a +5 (or +10) for a 10/15 minute pvp block.. The third time you hit 10dpoints it will be 15/25, 20,35, etc..

-And everyday, say at 12PM EST (same time as zaishen resets) your account is 'reset' so if you get your 10dpoint you're back to only a 5 minute block...

-Anyone following what I am saying?

*edit*
-And for the people that use the defense that some people have awesome reasons for going afk like "omg my kid fell down the stairs". Well, ya know. Who cares if you got a little 5/10 minute debuff that says you can't pvp.

Caw521

Caw521

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

R/

... And what about people who's computers freeze up in the beginning or diconnect (fix the dishonor on dc plz >.>) and someone reports you? What if there's a 5.9 10-second earthquake and you need to stay safe?

dare49devil

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Danbury, Connecticut

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caw521 View Post
... And what about people who's computers freeze up in the beginning or diconnect (fix the dishonor on dc plz >.>) and someone reports you? What if there's a 5.9 10-second earthquake and you need to stay safe?
-Then go be safe and who cares about your game! You gonna be like, sweet I survived that 10 second earthquake that knocked my shelves over but thank goodness i was safe...*goes back to comp* DAMMNIT I GOT DEBUFF MAN OHMAN QQ..

-Really?

-If your computer freezes, I'm sure it'll take a min to force shutdown, a min to start up, log back in gw, and bam I bet half your dishonorable is gone. Man if it takes you 10 minutes to load gw and FA is already at 50%...hell, yeah you SHUOLD be reported..even if you loaded slow you still leeched half the match.. that isn't they fault, its yours.

-And unless you're getting a 10 second earthquake every 20 minutes these implications won't affect you...

Benderama

Benderama

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2008

UK

[Rage]

Rt/

definetley not for people who leave, why would someone wait for 3+minutes to go intoa match and leave on purpose? they'd get very little benefit so its probably that they actually have to leave.
maybe players are just cautious of using /report to ban leechers, and they don't have time to see the leecher because they're busy trying to survive and not get yelled at for "doing nothing"? i dunooo ^^;

Iron Smerf

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2010

Terra Noise [Zraw]

A/P

/Signed. Although I do agree that 3 days is far too much of a step up.

belladonna shylock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Me/

They should have to support to get their account info back! You should also get one random item in their inventory and/or storage. That would teach them a lesson. And finally, they should loss all luxon/kurzick faction they have related to their title. Kenny Powers agrees.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

You're forgetting one important detail. The report system is automated, and is about as secure as a house made of jello. You get a group of people to "grief" a person who isn't playing so well, think it's funny to abuse report them and then you have real trouble... a legit person gets suspended. The report system has already given new players a really bad first impression of PvP, lets not make this game "The game new players get suspended from for trying to play in PvP."

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

I've been one-shotted [dishonor hexed] in RA for "ruining" a sync. It was me and three players with the same guild tag. They all /report-spiked me, and I had the hex on me as soon as that match was over.

-True Story.

C.H.U.C.K.S

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

Canada

P/Rt

While most of the people are leechers or quitter there is a percentage that are in fact mapping. For some reason the PVP area's of FA and JQ count towards the Canthan carto title. So, I mapped Luxon, with some running skills because I dont wanna fight, I wanna map. Once completed there, I left b/c I was no use anyways (as a paragon), and I went to the kurzick side and left there as well. I got dishonorable, and once that was lifted I repeated on the FA arena. It would make sense if these didnt contibute towards the title, or there was some way to map without being in the competitive mission.

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

griefing

/notsigned

PS chucks, why not join in the fight, even with a reduced skillset? People quitting/leaving is more harmful to a team then having a not so great bar.

tghoodoo

tghoodoo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2008

Seafarer's Rest

Eternal Clarity [Ankh]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns View Post
Perma-ban them AAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL-L-L-LA-LA-LALALA ...LALALA-LALALALA!!!!!

/endsarcasm
`luv it!.............. dem bitches

Aeronwen

Aeronwen

not so much fell as.....

Join Date: Jan 2009

UK

bone

R/

Sure it's annoying when your team has leechers/leavers, but I suspect most of the time it is actually dc etc and not under the players control. It happens to us all sometimes.

Whats more annoying, especially in JQ is the bots you see over and over again.

I always report leechers (after a pause) and I dont mind if I am reported when I am dc'd or suddenly get a slow load. But I DO mind when I get a hex because I am the only one who reports, or for some mysterious reason that I can't work out (grief reporting I guess).

Everyone using the system we have already in the correct manner would be a better change.

Mintha Syl

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by C.H.U.C.K.S View Post
While most of the people are leechers or quitter there is a percentage that are in fact mapping. For some reason the PVP area's of FA and JQ count towards the Canthan carto title. So, I mapped Luxon, with some running skills because I dont wanna fight, I wanna map. Once completed there, I left b/c I was no use anyways (as a paragon), and I went to the kurzick side and left there as well. I got dishonorable, and once that was lifted I repeated on the FA arena. It would make sense if these didnt contibute towards the title, or there was some way to map without being in the competitive mission.
Other than the random dc/rl inexpected problems, this is a good reason for not signing.
I fear when I'll have to map those areas, because I'd really feel bad for ruining the game for the rest of the team, but unfortunately there's no other way to map, so...

Aeronwen

Aeronwen

not so much fell as.....

Join Date: Jan 2009

UK

bone

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintha Syl View Post
I fear when I'll have to map those areas, because I'd really feel bad for ruining the game for the rest of the team, but unfortunately there's no other way to map, so...
Actually if you are prepared to take time over it you can minimise your impact on the team by mapping only a small bit each game and actually doing your best to help your team win. I mapped this way - it took about 4 games for each side of each of FA/JQ.

Mintha Syl

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeronwen View Post
Actually if you are prepared to take time over it you can minimise your impact on the team by mapping only a small bit each game and actually doing your best to help your team win. I mapped this way - it took about 4 games for each side of each of FA/JQ.
Good to know, I thought you couldn't manage to do both.

Spike Stritter

Spike Stritter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/

New dishonor system for leechers/leavers: Instead of PvP time penalty make it to where they lose balthzar faction + Kurzick/Luxon faction depending on what part of PvP they're playing.

It will never be implemented, but I think it sounds good.

StormX

StormX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/Mo

Much as I would love to see the b****s banned, I know it's not going to happen. So I propose to make the dishonor accrual period longer. Make it at least 24 hrs during which a player who racks up more and more dishonor points will be kept out of the game longer. Right now getting your slate wiped every 1 hr is ridiculous and does little to deter those serial leechers who are probably afk anyway

I do agree that the report system is kind of buggy though; I've gotten the hex a few times for no apparent reason.

Swahnee

Swahnee

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Italy

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintha Syl View Post
Other than the random dc/rl inexpected problems, this is a good reason for not signing.
I fear when I'll have to map those areas, because I'd really feel bad for ruining the game for the rest of the team, but unfortunately there's no other way to map, so...
I've mapped them entering both JQ and FA with texmod (0.something percent remaining) with good builds for playing, and then i played, paying attention to do something everywhere (RoJ'ing all the bases, or helping everywhere in FA), and i maxed the title without any problem. However, i agree that this PvE content which isn't related in any way with the PvP play (because it's grinding a title, after all) shouldn't interfere with it, so no percentage of exploration should be given in those areas.

On topic, i think that the RL issues should be taken into account, as someone else has already said. I would let people exit a PvP game or staying there without doing anything, but only for a fixed amount of times every day (or every week, the numbers should be thought about), so for example if you get reported for whatever reason for the first time this day, ok, the game assumes you've got IRL problems, if you get reported the second time, ok again, another problem, and maybe even a third time (again, this is only an example), but at the fourth time it starts the punishment. Think about it as the systems related to passwords: you can fail to enter your password for a fixed amount of times, after which you won't be able to enter wherever you wanted to enter, unless you contact administrators or whatever. In this way, if someone wants to leech on purpose, for example to grind factions, he can do it only a few times, so it wouldn't be profitable, and it would be better for him to actually play the game.

Just Sai

Just Sai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

aotearoa

Mo/

if they get dishonored, add an account wide death penalty on all characters in all areas of the game, pvp + pve for a suitable duration


.. but life does happen on the other side of the screen
its not always at fault.
if its on my team il work even harder and if lucky, enjoy a sweeter victory for the disadvantage, if its on the other team.. well yay