I was just twiddling my thumbs lately about whether to buy or not a couple of storage panes but, as I did my math, it got increasingly hilarious (or not).
storage panes: €8.99 - 20 slots
max 4: €35.96
€0.45 per slot
character slot: €8.99 - 45 slots mule (1.2k for bags)
max 28
€0.20 per slot (Less than half the cost of storage panes)
new trilogy mule account: ~€30
gives 8x character slots: 8x45 + 80slots + Material storage (36)
total of 440 (+36)
~€0.07 per slot (not counting the material storage) (almost 3 times cheaper than character slots and more than 6 times cheaper than storage panes)
It's true that an extra account requires a different e-mail address and some software like GWx2 and such, but even if these discourage you, character slots are always more worth it.
PS: For simplicity's sake I have not included the equipment pack slots are these are restrictive to weapons/armor only and not as easily acquired, but should one account for them, the value of additional storage panes really goes rock bottom.
Why storage panes micro-transactions are an epic fail
prism2525
Marty Silverblade
No offense, but this is very old news. It is useful for people that are unaware of it though, and there's only a small mention of it on a very large discussion page on the Official Wiki (for 'Vault Box'). Nothing on the non-official. Perhaps someone should edit those pages.
Iuris
The only one to judge is Anet's accounting department...
Although I WOULD like to hear some numbers about just how well microtransactions have worked out...
Although I WOULD like to hear some numbers about just how well microtransactions have worked out...
Femmefatal
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I was just twiddling my thumbs lately about whether to buy or not a couple of storage panes but, as I did my math, it got increasingly hilarious (or not).
storage panes: €8.99 - 20 slots max 4: €35.96 €0.45 per slot character slot: €8.99 - 45 slots mule (1.2k for bags) max 28 €0.20 per slot (Less than half the cost of storage panes) new trilogy mule account: ~€30 gives 8x character slots: 8x45 + 80slots + Material storage (36) total of 440 (+36) ~€0.07 per slot (not counting the material storage) (almost 3 times cheaper than character slots and more than 6 times cheaper than storage panes) It's true that an extra account requires a different e-mail address and some software like GWx2 and such, but even if these discourage you, character slots are always more worth it. PS: For simplicity's sake I have not included the equipment pack slots are these are restrictive to weapons/armor only and not as easily acquired, but should one account for them, the value of additional storage panes really goes rock bottom. |
It would be nice if EVERYTHING STACKED so I could put all my green items of the same type into one box at least.
SpyderArachnid
Basically what Femmefatal said. With Storage Panes, you are paying for convenience. All your toons can access it in one place without having to jump from character to character, duel box accounts, or having to remember who has what and where.
It may seem cheaper to get new slots and a new account, but in the end, do you really just want more characters or another account to sift through when you need to make an important sell and you know you have an item, but you have no idea which mule/account has it? It is more difficult to go from character to character then from account to account, just to find one item. With a Storage Pane, it is right there where anyone can see it and it is a simple task of "One sec, let me check the bank".
I've bought all storage panes, character slots, costumes, makeovers, name changes, etc etc. It has worked out great for me. Even bought my friend's stuff on their accounts as well. I personally enjoy Micro-transactions. It's a way to support a F2P game and help the company, and gives me no advantage over others, but things that I like that are useful to me.
It may seem cheaper to get new slots and a new account, but in the end, do you really just want more characters or another account to sift through when you need to make an important sell and you know you have an item, but you have no idea which mule/account has it? It is more difficult to go from character to character then from account to account, just to find one item. With a Storage Pane, it is right there where anyone can see it and it is a simple task of "One sec, let me check the bank".
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Although I WOULD like to hear some numbers about just how well microtransactions have worked out...
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Luminarus
TBH, you dont need so many storage accounts etc. Ive got the 4 basic panes + the free bonus one, and I rarely use my storage characters. This is because I dont hoarde crap.
If its sellable, I keep it (and by sellable I mean easy sell at about 10-15k or higher). If its something im gonna use (dyes/tomes) I use one pane for them, if its weapon mods i either sell em (good ones only), or use on heroes/merch. Runes use or merch. Minis, one per character toss/sell the rest.
Ive known lots of people that hoarde, and they waste so much time and effort to sell or find the one thing that I dont think its worth it. In the time it takes them to find the 500g item, I could have farmed taht much easily.
If its sellable, I keep it (and by sellable I mean easy sell at about 10-15k or higher). If its something im gonna use (dyes/tomes) I use one pane for them, if its weapon mods i either sell em (good ones only), or use on heroes/merch. Runes use or merch. Minis, one per character toss/sell the rest.
Ive known lots of people that hoarde, and they waste so much time and effort to sell or find the one thing that I dont think its worth it. In the time it takes them to find the 500g item, I could have farmed taht much easily.
Hyperventilate
This is old, old, old old news. I remember all the rage threads on Guru when they first announced the storage panes.
I bought the panes. I much prefer being able to conveniently access all my stuff without being forced to switch and swap.
I bought the panes. I much prefer being able to conveniently access all my stuff without being forced to switch and swap.
thelessa
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This is old, old, old old news. I remember all the rage threads on Guru when they first announced the storage panes.
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Deviant Angel
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature should be able to figure out that the storage panes aren't the most economical (or logical) way to gain more space. I'm a packrat with a touch of OCD, but I was able to resist the urge. It's just not worth it to me.
I may cave in and buy them if Anet runs a massive sale, but I'm not holding my breath!
I may cave in and buy them if Anet runs a massive sale, but I'm not holding my breath!
Anon-e-mouse
A-net, does NOT believe in MICRO transactions, as the amounts they charge testify, $10 is NOT now and never has been a micro transaction... end of..
Calling them micro transactions is an insult to other games who are doing it properly.
Calling them micro transactions is an insult to other games who are doing it properly.
Riot Narita
*Sigh*. Some people STILL don't get it.
Storage panes are for extra convenience. Character slots and accounts are for raw storage space.
Nobody bought panes for raw storage space. Because everybody was ALREADY buying accounts and char slots for storage, long before panes became available... and they all knew the deal.
If you want convenience, and are prepared to pay for it, you can have panes.
If you want raw storage space, but don't need the convenience, you can have accounts or char slots.
Panes are not fail. They do what they're meant to, distinct from char slots or accounts. The only valid gripe I see is with the price of their convenience. I'm sure they'd sell a lot more if the price was lower. Long overdue for a "sale" IMO.
Storage panes are for extra convenience. Character slots and accounts are for raw storage space.
Nobody bought panes for raw storage space. Because everybody was ALREADY buying accounts and char slots for storage, long before panes became available... and they all knew the deal.
If you want convenience, and are prepared to pay for it, you can have panes.
If you want raw storage space, but don't need the convenience, you can have accounts or char slots.
Panes are not fail. They do what they're meant to, distinct from char slots or accounts. The only valid gripe I see is with the price of their convenience. I'm sure they'd sell a lot more if the price was lower. Long overdue for a "sale" IMO.
FengShuiDove
I bought 'em. I like 'em. Some others do to. Some don't. That's literally the entire argument.
Lillium
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$10 is NOT now and never has been a micro transaction... end of..
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On topic, I have hording tendencies and only have two extra character slots (which were to fill out a collection of all 10 classes, not primarily for storage). Having more space only delays a purge of junk, and as we all know most stuff you get is crap not worth selling. So huge storage cleanings just feel more disappointing with more space since you throw a higher number of items out (that you should have tossed right after ID'ing).
If the storage panes ever went on sale for about $6 or less I'd grab a few for convenience, but otherwise more storage space is overrated.
TheodenKing
Cost per slot is only one consideration in your economic research. Others have already mentioned convenience. I will also add that (purging, selling, merching, condensing, salvaging, allocating to heroes, etc) will allow you to spend less real money, and ultimately spend more time playing.
Pack rats have a hard time being willing to let go of the ten cool r9 swords they have sitting on their mule, even though their warrior already has 6, and their warrior heroes on all their characters already have good ones. For these players, getting organized and a little more "spartan" would save them some real cash.
Pack rats have a hard time being willing to let go of the ten cool r9 swords they have sitting on their mule, even though their warrior already has 6, and their warrior heroes on all their characters already have good ones. For these players, getting organized and a little more "spartan" would save them some real cash.
Darcy
Some of us (cough, cough) bought all the panes for the convenience and wish more were allowed.
LifeInfusion
Well I would definitely get a character slot sooner than a Storage Pane. I have 3 characters for those monster trophies, and it makes sorting by campaign easy. A character slot allows you to make more PvP characters, and if you don't reroll the main profession it means more birthday presents.
I have a second account with a collector's edition of nightfall (it was on sale at the time) for the sake of selling stuff while I play and also to hold all the gold items I collect on the main account. (The main reason why I even have it, but also to hold more than 1mil gold since I don't deal with things >100K.) In Guild Wars 2 there will be no such incentive since there is an auction house.
At the very least I encourage people with 3 campaigns + EOTN to buy one slot (two if you need to have a rerolling character), since it allows you to have every profession without rerolling.
I have a second account with a collector's edition of nightfall (it was on sale at the time) for the sake of selling stuff while I play and also to hold all the gold items I collect on the main account. (The main reason why I even have it, but also to hold more than 1mil gold since I don't deal with things >100K.) In Guild Wars 2 there will be no such incentive since there is an auction house.
At the very least I encourage people with 3 campaigns + EOTN to buy one slot (two if you need to have a rerolling character), since it allows you to have every profession without rerolling.
Skyy High
You need another player (or GWx2) to transfer items from one account to another. Storing stuff on extra characters requires you to log in and out and move stuff around between storage and your mule(s), plus if you don't know exactly where it is it's a pain in the ass to find. If you buy a storage pane, you just need to walk up to storage and, hey, there are your extra slots. Is that so hard to understand?
Also, old argument is ooooooooooooooooooooooold.
Games that have smaller transactions generally require you to buy "e-gold" or whatever first, because charging $1 on a credit card is just not profitable. ANet decided against that system, for whatever reason, but it does mean that they aren't constantly nickel and dime-ing us on tiny cosmetic things.
Also, old argument is ooooooooooooooooooooooold.
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Verene
Wasn't this hashed to death back when they released them?
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Some people like the convenience they offer and are willing to pay a bit more for that.
Me, I have two accounts, eleven characters on one (none are mules, though, just one of each profession and one in pre-sear), and 6 on the other (half of which are mules), and have bought an extra pane on my main account. Why? because it's a hell of a lot more convenient than loading up Gwx2 or sifting through a dozen characters every time I'm looking for something.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Some people like the convenience they offer and are willing to pay a bit more for that.
Me, I have two accounts, eleven characters on one (none are mules, though, just one of each profession and one in pre-sear), and 6 on the other (half of which are mules), and have bought an extra pane on my main account. Why? because it's a hell of a lot more convenient than loading up Gwx2 or sifting through a dozen characters every time I'm looking for something.
Quaker
As has been said, this is old news.
Many of the people who talk about this forget that not everyone has all 4 storage panes already. No matter how many character slots you have, it is always nice to have extra storage panes in Xunlai storage for the reasons that people have given here. If you only have one campaign (or even if you have all campaigns), buying extra panes is the best way to increase your "readily available" storage.
For storage that doesn't need to be accessed readily - like to store your collection of bows - character slots are the way to go.
For the purposes of on-line gaming, micro-transactions can be thought of as "buying the game a piece at a time" rather than trying to affix some arbitrary real-money value to it.
Many of the people who talk about this forget that not everyone has all 4 storage panes already. No matter how many character slots you have, it is always nice to have extra storage panes in Xunlai storage for the reasons that people have given here. If you only have one campaign (or even if you have all campaigns), buying extra panes is the best way to increase your "readily available" storage.
For storage that doesn't need to be accessed readily - like to store your collection of bows - character slots are the way to go.
For the purposes of on-line gaming, micro-transactions can be thought of as "buying the game a piece at a time" rather than trying to affix some arbitrary real-money value to it.
gremlin
I went for the extra characters for storage, not as convenient as extra storage panes but the extra space, ability to do more zaishen missions not to mention the birthday mini makes then worthwhile.
I originally had 3 extra mules that did nothing but store stuff now they play just enough to be able to farm and do zaishens.
That in turn lets me store far more weapons and armour than I could ever reasonably need, I started with small weapon packs and am gradually replacing them with large ones.
As for forgetting who carries what that gets easy with a little organisation and a note pad.
Halloween items on one, Wintersday bits on another and so on
Weapons are stored by class though I do have far to many and should salvage or sell them.
Frequently used items are kept in main storage for convenience,I admit to being a pack rat but I am an organised one.
I originally had 3 extra mules that did nothing but store stuff now they play just enough to be able to farm and do zaishens.
That in turn lets me store far more weapons and armour than I could ever reasonably need, I started with small weapon packs and am gradually replacing them with large ones.
As for forgetting who carries what that gets easy with a little organisation and a note pad.
Halloween items on one, Wintersday bits on another and so on
Weapons are stored by class though I do have far to many and should salvage or sell them.
Frequently used items are kept in main storage for convenience,I admit to being a pack rat but I am an organised one.
Chrisworld
I bought all the panes and I even have a second account, as well as a lot of extra character slots on my main accounts. It's convenience. If it dosent appeal to you or fit your budget no need to say it fails.
Playing Is Srs Bsns
anet is trying to make money
Cuilan
I love micro-transactions. That's one really nice thing about Guild Wars. Hopefully Anet will add more to their store. It's so wonderful Anet has a way to make money to keep the game running and for whatever future plans to become better developers.
lemming
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I love micro-transactions. That's one really nice thing about Guild Wars. Hopefully Anet will add more to their store. It's so wonderful Anet has a way to make money to keep the game running and for whatever future plans to become better developers.
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Sirius Bsns
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As opposed to... Blizzard being evil for offering microtransactions because they have an income stream already?
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Wracks
What I really don't understand is how Anet don't consider paying 9.99$ for a 1 freaking storage pane a rip off/scam scheme
So for 4 panes, i.e, 9.99x4 = 39.96, I can practically buy a different game and play that game instead of GW
I've never seen a sky high rip off scheme in any other games in terms of convenience and micro transaction, even in terms of playing free games that don't require any purchase to play the game whatsoever
So for 4 panes, i.e, 9.99x4 = 39.96, I can practically buy a different game and play that game instead of GW
I've never seen a sky high rip off scheme in any other games in terms of convenience and micro transaction, even in terms of playing free games that don't require any purchase to play the game whatsoever
headlesshobbs
We've been through this enough to conclude buying another account is a more worthy investment. I'm just wondering when are they ever going to consider an "all-for-one" $9.99 special?
shoesbags
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Although I WOULD like to hear some numbers about just how well microtransactions have worked out...
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I love micro-transaction systems, personally. I really hope it takes off. I've bought all storage panes; I felt it was worth the money.
Blizzard must be making a lot of money on the items they release on their store for World of Warcraft. It seemed everywhere I looked someone either had one of the micro-transacted mounts or non-combat pets. Those were $25 and $15 respectively.
headlesshobbs
People just have too much to spend don't they?
Cuilan
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jazilla
the other end of the spectrum for people that think storage panes are better because of convenience are missing the argument that i can use the extra character slot as PvP only and play it as a dedicated class in PvP and get new minis and PvP armor and weapons for it etc. Or I can roll a new PvE character and still use the leftover slots for storage. No one is wrong here, it just boils down to opinion.
gremlin
Anets marketing strategy is probably similar to many other companies.
You work out what you think you can reasonably get away with over and above your production costs.
Price too high and no one buys, price too low and thousands buy maybe so many that it overloads the server, just guessing here I don't know how such things work.
Point is there are many players who have enough spare cash that shelling out $10 $20 or maybe $50 or more is an unimportant sum, I wouldn't do it but many will.
You work out what you think you can reasonably get away with over and above your production costs.
Price too high and no one buys, price too low and thousands buy maybe so many that it overloads the server, just guessing here I don't know how such things work.
Point is there are many players who have enough spare cash that shelling out $10 $20 or maybe $50 or more is an unimportant sum, I wouldn't do it but many will.
Rehnahvah Gahro
*speaks in grumbly grandpa-voice*
Well kids, I remember a time where we had to cope with just one storage pane (20 slots) and no equipment packs.
On the other hand *painful coughing followed by painful sneezing* on the other hand there were no 217bazillion types of consumables, so I guess we didn't have much to store. Unless you were a crap-hoarder like 'ol billy was. He had every unique weapon in the game, but he overmuled. Last time we saw him was when he furiously searched his chars mumbling something like "where's my bow, where's my bow".
Long story short: Get your f***ing sh*t together and delete or sell your junk! It takes time, but you will feel refreshed and born anew
Well kids, I remember a time where we had to cope with just one storage pane (20 slots) and no equipment packs.
On the other hand *painful coughing followed by painful sneezing* on the other hand there were no 217bazillion types of consumables, so I guess we didn't have much to store. Unless you were a crap-hoarder like 'ol billy was. He had every unique weapon in the game, but he overmuled. Last time we saw him was when he furiously searched his chars mumbling something like "where's my bow, where's my bow".
Long story short: Get your f***ing sh*t together and delete or sell your junk! It takes time, but you will feel refreshed and born anew
Anon-e-mouse
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Games that have smaller transactions generally require you to buy "e-gold" or whatever first, because charging $1 on a credit card is just not profitable. ANet decided against that system, for whatever reason, but it does mean that they aren't constantly nickel and dime-ing us on tiny cosmetic things.
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Iuris
It is, you're just complaining about the prices.
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It is, you're just complaining about the prices.
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I picked up a couple of panes the last time there was a deal doing for them, and had been hanging out for several months for another opportunity to pick up another two on the cheap. In the end I just gave up waiting and paid for them at the normal price.
Sure it works out cheaper per pane to add characters instead or whatever, but as somebody else already said, there is the price of convenience to consider. Constantly switching characters for the sake of saving a couple of dollars? Yeah, nah.
Besides, from Anet's perspective, I can imagine that if they had these deals often enough, more players would simply wait until the next one came around, as I tried to do; the flow-on effect being nobody ever buying them at the full price anymore at all. So for them, having deals as an exception rather than the rule is just good business sense.
OP just needs to harden up.
Yawgmoth
The main problem with the storage panes is that they give such a miserable, almost negligible value for the money spent. The only 'micro' thing about those 'microtransactions' is the size of the storage received.
They clearly went wrong way with them, making them attractive only to clueless players who think they can "support Anet" by buying them - those players who would buy almost anything thrown at them.
If they instead worked just a little harder and instead of what we got provided something like one single Massive Storage Upgrade, including at least 4 panes and a big bunch of specialized storage solutions (for Minipets, Dyes, Tomes, Consumables, maybe something else too, as specialized storage can likely be at least 30x lightier on server resources than general slots) and sell it for a reasonable price of $20-25 or even $30 if it was really huge, I bet they would make more money, possibly much more. I would buy that for sure! (back when I was still actively playing the game, if value received per $ spent would be good, and last year, obviously not now, too late to invest in a dying game). I think most people with a brain want to feel a real difference when they pay money for something, and so many who now completely ignore the pitiful $10 panes would buy them instead of another discount account at a supermarket.
But Anet's a bi*ch, instead of making a good high value product - a storage upgrade really worth buying - they instead chose to continuously generate heavy pressure on players' inventories by making lots and lots of new items "worth keeping". Just look at how many things are being added every year, look at how many of the crap that fills our storage didn't even exist before the 4th Anniversary update. Look at lots of new minipets that they keep adding and adding, or for example at the WiK stuff - those War Supplies, Confessor's Orders, Royal Gifts, Medals of Honor can eat a lot of slots, and if you want to play the WiK content you should always have slots for them available, and god forbid if you try to open some of those Gifts...
They clearly went wrong way with them, making them attractive only to clueless players who think they can "support Anet" by buying them - those players who would buy almost anything thrown at them.
If they instead worked just a little harder and instead of what we got provided something like one single Massive Storage Upgrade, including at least 4 panes and a big bunch of specialized storage solutions (for Minipets, Dyes, Tomes, Consumables, maybe something else too, as specialized storage can likely be at least 30x lightier on server resources than general slots) and sell it for a reasonable price of $20-25 or even $30 if it was really huge, I bet they would make more money, possibly much more. I would buy that for sure! (back when I was still actively playing the game, if value received per $ spent would be good, and last year, obviously not now, too late to invest in a dying game). I think most people with a brain want to feel a real difference when they pay money for something, and so many who now completely ignore the pitiful $10 panes would buy them instead of another discount account at a supermarket.
But Anet's a bi*ch, instead of making a good high value product - a storage upgrade really worth buying - they instead chose to continuously generate heavy pressure on players' inventories by making lots and lots of new items "worth keeping". Just look at how many things are being added every year, look at how many of the crap that fills our storage didn't even exist before the 4th Anniversary update. Look at lots of new minipets that they keep adding and adding, or for example at the WiK stuff - those War Supplies, Confessor's Orders, Royal Gifts, Medals of Honor can eat a lot of slots, and if you want to play the WiK content you should always have slots for them available, and god forbid if you try to open some of those Gifts...
Darcy
Yup, there it is - mean, nasty ArenaNet. After all, they only started putting things in the store after years of begging and screaming from players. WE WANT STORAGE! WE WANT TO CHANGE THE HAIR! WE WANT TO CHANGE THE NAME! WE WANT COSTUMES!
It was constantly clogging up the forums and drove the rest of us crazy. They wanted everything they could get in other online games. So ArenaNet started giving us additional stuff little by little. I think the Material Storage pane was first (a freebie). But that just increased the screaming. Then they gave us more stuff and waited to see how it was accepted. It was loved, proven by the number of people who bought as much as they could.
So now that we have everything which the players were demanding, here come the threads full of resentment for getting it. No one is ever happy.
It was constantly clogging up the forums and drove the rest of us crazy. They wanted everything they could get in other online games. So ArenaNet started giving us additional stuff little by little. I think the Material Storage pane was first (a freebie). But that just increased the screaming. Then they gave us more stuff and waited to see how it was accepted. It was loved, proven by the number of people who bought as much as they could.
So now that we have everything which the players were demanding, here come the threads full of resentment for getting it. No one is ever happy.
Riot Narita
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The main problem with the storage panes is that they give such a miserable, almost negligible value for the money spent. The only 'micro' thing about those 'microtransactions' is the size of the storage received.
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...without the "clearly" bit where you try to make your opinion appear "right" without giving any justification... and without trying to make out that the only people who bought them were morons who thought they were supporting A-net - which simply isn't true. eg. I bought them because I wanted that extra convenience, and I was prepared to pay for that luxury.
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Yup, there it is - mean, nasty ArenaNet. After all, they only started putting things in the store after years of begging and screaming from players. WE WANT STORAGE! WE WANT TO CHANGE THE HAIR! WE WANT TO CHANGE THE NAME! WE WANT COSTUMES!
It was constantly clogging up the forums and drove the rest of us crazy. They wanted everything they could get in other online games. So ArenaNet started giving us additional stuff little by little. I think the Material Storage pane was first (a freebie). But that just increased the screaming. Then they gave us more stuff and waited to see how it was accepted. It was loved, proven by the number of people who bought as much as they could. So now that we have everything which the players were demanding, here come the threads full of resentment for getting it. No one is ever happy. |
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I bought all the panes and I even have a second account, as well as a lot of extra character slots on my main accounts. It's convenience. If it dosent appeal to you or fit your budget no need to say it fails.
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I have 3 accounts and I've purchased extra panes for all of them and now I need more. I save a lot of stuff lol
It's a good idea and very convenient.