Lack of a PvE Smite Monk build

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

Ok guys I looked and looked and messed around with different ideas I had now I really need help here I can't seem to find any smite builds for my monk so I am trying to make one. I tried this Mo/W build a bit and I kind of like it but it needs some improvement.

Smiting 13+1+2
Protection Prayers +6
Swordsmanship +11

My skill bar has:
Gash
Sever Artery
Frenzy
reversal of Damage
Pensive Guardian
Strength of Honor
Reversal of Fortune
Mark of Protection

You guys can see where I am going with this build right? Melee Monk that can survive being beat on. And I only have Prophecies and Nightfall. There really isn't many Smite Monk builds out there that I can use with those 2 campaigns.

Any tips or anything you can see to improve the build?

Is there something I am missing? It doesn't matter where I go in hardmode I always get my ass handed to me. Do I need Eye of the North to be able to do hardmode effectively? lol To says this is frustrating is an understatement.

SpyderArachnid

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/monk-f207.html <--- that way.

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

Yeah never mind I decided I'm not gonna play a game where I die 90% of the time. There just isn't any fun in this game for me anymore.

Spookii

Spookii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Southeast, USA

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Well, in fairness, if you're trying to solo tank the world with a smite monk, then it sounds like you just don't understand how the game was meant to play.

Monks are fairly versatile, but no monk is going to be able to "take a beating" in a general setting. Try making a warrior with 80 armor if you're more interested in a melee fighter. Or even a Dervish might be fun for you, since you seem to like the idea of a melee fighter crossed with a spellcaster.

The first thing that I see wrong with your build, is the fact that the first two skills rely on your foes being fleshy (Sever Artery and Gash). Which is funny to me, seeing as how smite monks rock against undead (75% of those are not fleshy). Ray of Judgement might be worth looking into if you're set on smiting instead of healing. That melts faces like you wouldn't believe.

Then you've got Frenzy, which is another brick wall. You're already a 60 AR character. You've just made yourself even MORE squishy.

Pensive Guardian is a very "if and only if" skill. If you go up against a foe with no enchantments, what use is it?

Strength and Honor probably drains your energy too much, unless you're using a Zealous weapon. You're a monk, not a Necromancer with Soul Reaping.

Reversal of Fortune isn't half bad.

Mark of Protection is meh in my opinion, but some people really like it.

All in all, to me, it sounds like you're trying to be a warrior tank on a monk and that just won't work in 90% of the game. You've got everything from enchantment strip to energy problems that could stand in your way. Experiment around with other ideas and other classes if you're unhappy with being a monk. :}

You do not have to die 90% of the time. You just need the right build and the right team.

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spookii View Post
Well, in fairness, if you're trying to solo tank the world with a smite monk, then it sounds like you just don't understand how the game was meant to play.

Monks are fairly versatile, but no monk is going to be able to "take a beating" in a general setting. Try making a warrior with 80 armor if you're more interested in a melee fighter. Or even a Dervish might be fun for you, since you seem to like the idea of a melee fighter crossed with a spellcaster.

The first thing that I see wrong with your build, is the fact that the first two skills rely on your foes being fleshy (Sever Artery and Gash). Which is funny to me, seeing as how smite monks rock against undead (75% of those are not fleshy). Ray of Judgement might be worth looking into if you're set on smiting instead of healing. That melts faces like you wouldn't believe.

Then you've got Frenzy, which is another brick wall. You're already a 60 AR character. You've just made yourself even MORE squishy.

Pensive Guardian is a very "if and only if" skill. If you go up against a foe with no enchantments, what use is it?

Strength and Honor probably drains your energy too much, unless you're using a Zealous weapon. You're a monk, not a Necromancer with Soul Reaping.

Reversal of Fortune isn't half bad.

Mark of Protection is meh in my opinion, but some people really like it.

All in all, to me, it sounds like you're trying to be a warrior tank on a monk and that just won't work in 90% of the game. You've got everything from enchantment strip to energy problems that could stand in your way. Experiment around with other ideas and other classes if you're unhappy with being a monk. :}

You do not have to die 90% of the time. You just need the right build and the right team.
Nope I'm not trying to solo tank. I am just trying to survive in Hardmodes. I end up tanking no matter what build I use or heroes or henchman. Even if I stand there and not attack anything. I always send Koss in first and let him attack before I allow anyone else to attack.

Yeah I do have a Dervish and he is hella fun but right now my monk is just as much fun and I try to give equal time to both.

Spookii

Spookii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Southeast, USA

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Well, I think that's a general problem that people face. I can understand your frustration. That's just how the game goes. There is no real tanking in this game like you'd find in other game, since there's no way to control aggro. If your main frustration is coming from dying, I think it's just the fact that you're trying to make a warrior out of a monk. You're not meant to take damage. :} And believe me, 60AR softies (casters) can definitely hero/hench through HM areas. I do it every day. Like someone else suggested, try going to the monk forums for ideas on builds before you throw in the towel. Chances are, you're just doing something wrong that can easily be fixed. :}

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

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Originally Posted by Spookii View Post
Well, I think that's a general problem that people face. I can understand your frustration. That's just how the game goes. There is no real tanking in this game like you'd find in other game, since there's no way to control aggro. If your main frustration is coming from dying, I think it's just the fact that you're trying to make a warrior out of a monk. You're not meant to take damage. :} And believe me, 60AR softies (casters) can definitely hero/hench through HM areas. I do it every day. Like someone else suggested, try going to the monk forums for ideas on builds before you throw in the towel. Chances are, you're just doing something wrong that can easily be fixed. :}

Yeah I have tried with all the different builds I have come up with. Not just when I am using a melee build.

Lord Dagon

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

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Originally Posted by Inept1 View Post
Nope I'm not trying to solo tank. I am just trying to survive in Hardmodes. I end up tanking no matter what build I use or heroes or henchman. Even if I stand there and not attack anything. I always send Koss in first and let him attack before I allow anyone else to attack.

Yeah I do have a Dervish and he is hella fun but right now my monk is just as much fun and I try to give equal time to both.
the bolded part is why your failing in HM. Never ever bring meele into HM, its just an epic fail. i suggest running spiritway or something else non-meele related.
and yea if your a monk and dieing 90% of the time.. somethings wrong with your build.. not the henchies(maybe the heros builds are messed up too, i mean u are using koss... cant get much more fail then that >.<).

but the t';dr version: drop the meele and use caster builds on ur heros.

edit: read your build. go /me get arcane echo and ray of judgement and do that if ur that bent on smiting as a monk(me and someone else have a running fight of monk vs ele for nuking damadge) and run some other things like that.

Spookii

Spookii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Southeast, USA

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Well, as I said before, you're obviously doing something wrong. :} I've told you my opinion based on the build you posted here. Perhaps your heroes' builds are not up to par. Or your henchman choice is poor. Post more information on what you're trying to do and maybe we can help.

Da Rk Bl Ad E

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Belfast - Northern Ireland

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You're trolling...right?

Grim Aragorn

Grim Aragorn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

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Frenzy frontline monk in Hm, and you wonder why you die? Trollllllllllll

TheodenKing

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inept1 View Post
Yeah never mind I decided I'm not gonna play a game where I die 90% of the time. There just isn't any fun in this game for me anymore.
lol. One of the funniest threads I've read in a long time.

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Originally Posted by Grim Aragorn View Post
Frenzy frontline monk in Hm, and you wonder why you die?
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What he said.

Learn how not to be bad. Or pay Koss better.

Spookii

Spookii

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Southeast, USA

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I don't think he's trolling, I think he's genuinely this clueless about the game. Not trying to diss the guy or anything, but looking at his previous posts, it seems like he used to play and then quit and was thrown into the endgame content as a newbie again.

Inept, I think you really should step off the HM pedal for a bit. If you're having this much difficulty with HM, you probably should stay on NM until you can feel your way around again. If you can, join a guild and ask for help on team builds for your heroes. Or just ask for help from another player.

JoeGrogan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2009

ecok

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Try signet of judgement and other signets, go secondary mesmer and take mantra of inscriptions to recharge them. Strength of honor is good to bond melee heroes (if you insist on taking them). Smite hex/condition too can cause damage, and keep your party alive. Reversal of damage and scourge healing can hurt baddies too.

What heroes are you running/have access to?

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing View Post
lol. One of the funniest threads I've read in a long time.



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What he said.

Learn how not to be bad. Or pay Koss better.
lol I was trying to "not be bad"
and I am sorry you found my thread funny I wasn't trying to be...
I was really trying to relearn the game. But apparently I have been away way to long from this game.

shinta_himura

shinta_himura

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Frenzy is balanced around the warrior's armor and defense abilities.

Da Rk Bl Ad E

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Belfast - Northern Ireland

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta_himura View Post
Frenzy is balanced around the warrior's armor and defense abilities.
Frenzy is balanced on not being used while shit is hitting you.

Star_Jewel

Star_Jewel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2010

Denizen of Tyria since Feb. 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inept1 View Post
I end up tanking no matter what build I use or heroes or henchman. Even if I stand there and not attack anything.
This really jumps out at me. The monster AI will always go after the character with the lowest armor and lowest hitpoints. I suspect they also prefer to go after monks first, but that's just my untested opinion. So look into getting runes/insignias that give you an HP and/or armor boost -- at least to make you look less delicious than some of your hardier allies.

Also, a Necro hero with minion meatshields can help take the heat off the group.

Just Sai

Just Sai

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

aotearoa

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ap/evas/ymlad/pi/enduring toxin/iron palm/stonesoul strike/rebirth
12 smite/12 deadlyarts
use a spear/offhand
if u want to melee with a caster class use a mes or rit
imo

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

I went ahead and deleted my characters on the account. Oh well maybe I will come back another time.

Moonstalker

Moonstalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

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Well, best of luck, I guess.
If you quit because you can't adapt to the game, then the game isn't for you.

Spookii

Spookii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Southeast, USA

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Moonstalker speaks truth. If you're giving up this easily, perhaps you need to play a game that's not so skill/team oriented.

Inept1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2009

Mo/E

Trust me I didn't give up very easily I came back to the game a few weeks ago I tried like hell to get used to it all over again.

Lord Dagon

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

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umm i dont think frenzy was ever any good.. idk why when you came you would think it would be...but anyway really if u only gave it a few weeks u didnt try very hard IMO.

anyway gl dont use meele and learn how to do what your profession intended.. healing.

Moonstalker

Moonstalker

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tobi Madera View Post
umm i dont think frenzy was ever any good.. idk why when you came you would think it would be...but anyway really if u only gave it a few weeks u didnt try very hard IMO.

anyway gl dont use meele and learn how to do what your profession intended.. healing.
Except the part where monks have one of the best, if not the best, nuking spells :P

shinta_himura

shinta_himura

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Being a monk, who wants to deal Melee DPS and be a tanker is asking just a little too much in my opinion.

Frenzy sounds like a really bad choice for what you're looking for. It causes twice as much damage which is never really a good thing in any situation, to be honest, except PvP where you might bring a cancel-stance speed buff or something.

Kvinna

Kvinna

Administrator

Join Date: Aug 2009

Since the OP quit, and the thread got derailed pretty easily, I'm going to go ahead and close it.