Did it die?
Seems like no GW:B since 2 months, without even a single dev-comment...
They said they are going to Cantha now, but nothing Oo
Guild Wars Beyond, dead?
Isfit
Marty Silverblade
Why is it that people insist on continually saying 'omg GW is dead!'? We know it's going to be several months in between meaningful updates. If that isn't good enough then stop whining and do something else until the next update occurs.
Chrisworld
Why do (Guild Wars) players insist that when something is announced that it should come out IMMEDANTLY on that very day or within the next few days maximum of one week no longer.
When something is announced it's usually in the works and takes a little while to be done.
I have a good feeling that GW:B is still around, still being worked on and that GW will face a positive future of players. If people would just be patient. If you can't be patient waiting for a game or game update, play something else while you wait.
When something is announced it's usually in the works and takes a little while to be done.
I have a good feeling that GW:B is still around, still being worked on and that GW will face a positive future of players. If people would just be patient. If you can't be patient waiting for a game or game update, play something else while you wait.
ruk1a
well it's almost the 20th and still nothing so...who knows.
jazilla
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Why is it that people insist on continually saying 'omg GW is dead!'? We know it's going to be several months in between meaningful updates. If that isn't good enough then stop whining and do something else until the next update occurs.
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@OP: there is a relics of orr podcast with john stumme who is the current lead dev for gw1. he talks about what is coming out next. it will be a slow trickle though for sure. it seems that this stuff is being made as they go, as opposed to all of it being made and then released over time. patience. i know its hard to wait, i cant stand it, but they are releasing new content and some of it even takes place in cantha
Bandwagon
Short Answer: No, they are just slow.
Long Answer: No, they are just Sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow (srsly have you seen how many people make up the live team? I am surprised that WiK was released that swiftly)
Long Answer: No, they are just Sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow (srsly have you seen how many people make up the live team? I am surprised that WiK was released that swiftly)
Lord Dagon
I would go ahead and say yea its preety much dead. Last time they talked about GW:B they had a huge wish list(more cons, factions gw:b content,7heros,etc) so if they arent busy with all that, its that they cant be bothered to do it. Thats just my thinking. I'm goign to say that all they have is a huge wishlist, and an inability to do any of it. just my 2 cents.
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by jazilla
he asked if guild wars: BEYOND(the stuff that involves the WiK and things after WiK) is dead. You don't need to jump down people's throats about posts. Just ignore them. But in this case you jumped down his/her throat for the wrong reason lol.
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Elnino
Considering that they don't have any deadlines for any of their projects then yes, we can assume it is dead. For now.
gremlin
This is the way I assume updates work and in fact game releases too.
On the one hand you have the people working on the update they tend to have a good idea as to how long something is going to take.
Then you have the people in charge they make the decisions as to what's to be done and when its to be done by.
They call in the publicity people who tell us what's happening and when.
See a problem here ?
At no point do the views of the programmers come into it Boss says do it by Monday Publicity dept says Its coming Monday and the programmer has to make it happen.
As we have seen games and updates are nearly always late.
You can be sure someone is getting into trouble for every delay in updates.
You can also be sure the blame never travels upwards.
The solution apart from giving the management a slap is to put more resources on getting the updates out on time, this costs money.
On the one hand you have the people working on the update they tend to have a good idea as to how long something is going to take.
Then you have the people in charge they make the decisions as to what's to be done and when its to be done by.
They call in the publicity people who tell us what's happening and when.
See a problem here ?
At no point do the views of the programmers come into it Boss says do it by Monday Publicity dept says Its coming Monday and the programmer has to make it happen.
As we have seen games and updates are nearly always late.
You can be sure someone is getting into trouble for every delay in updates.
You can also be sure the blame never travels upwards.
The solution apart from giving the management a slap is to put more resources on getting the updates out on time, this costs money.
Apok
I forgot that a team of four people could get so much done in a game with apparent coding problems in anything short of a year...
Hell, even most indie mmo's have more dev's than GW1 has.
Hell, even most indie mmo's have more dev's than GW1 has.
Black Metal
the trade shows shut the studio down
they are getting back to GW:B
they are getting back to GW:B
Pleikki
No its not dead, simple answer
1 up and 2 down
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Originally Posted by Tobi Madera
I would go ahead and say yea its preety much dead. Last time they talked about GW:B they had a huge wish list(more cons, factions gw:b content,7heros,etc) so if they arent busy with all that, its that they cant be bothered to do it. Thats just my thinking. I'm goign to say that all they have is a huge wishlist, and an inability to do any of it. just my 2 cents.
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jonnieboi05
@ OP: No, I don't believe so.
ruk1a
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
I understood what he meant. I'm just saying it's stupid to complain that we aren't getting updates massive content updates when we know that it takes 2+ months for a half decent skill update. There are only a handful of people working of GW1 still, they'll need a fair few months to produce new content in addition to the Derv/Para/Smiting updates.
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Anon-e-mouse
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Originally Posted by upier
They could waste time on stupidly designed non-repeatable missions where all you end up with is another weapon or they could balance the game.
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gremlin
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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse
With the sheer number of skills available you are NEVER going to get the game balanced, so I would forget about that if I were you.
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Any alteration of one skill causes an unbalance somewhere else because that one skill alteration has to be tested against pretty much every other skill and combinations of skills.
Of course there were to my eyes some pretty silly skill alterations over the years but the game might have become very boring and stale without them.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Elnino
Considering that they don't have any deadlines for any of their projects then yes, we can assume it is dead. For now.
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ruk1a
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Originally Posted by upier
I actually kind of want to be dead.
I mean, they could waste time on stupidly designed non-repeatable missions where all you end up with is another weapon or they could balance the game. There is no point in adding new content if the content you already have in the game isn't working! |
Skyy High
IGN classifies GW as an "online RPG" or "persistent online RPG", not an MMO. Notably, GW2 was in the article you mentioned.
Poor APB...I didn't realize it was shutting down.
Poor APB...I didn't realize it was shutting down.
gremlin
I guess you could do a quick fix to balance the game, you make pvp a little like the festival pvp where you have the snowball skills.
Ok so take a number of skills which is a fraction of those available and create a balanced pvp environment.
Ignore the rest for now then if you think you can work it ad a few more skills over time as long as it doesn't destroy what you have created.
Balance can probably be achieved if you stick to a much smaller pool of skills.
The negative side of doing it is the uproar from players whose favoured skills are left out.
Still a lot of work but probably an achievable goal unlike the present series of balances.
Ok so take a number of skills which is a fraction of those available and create a balanced pvp environment.
Ignore the rest for now then if you think you can work it ad a few more skills over time as long as it doesn't destroy what you have created.
Balance can probably be achieved if you stick to a much smaller pool of skills.
The negative side of doing it is the uproar from players whose favoured skills are left out.
Still a lot of work but probably an achievable goal unlike the present series of balances.
Iuris
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Short: you don't pay anything to Anet, don't expect more content.
Skyy High
Way too many people forget that, Iuris...
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
Way too many people forget that, Iuris...
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Of course, no one would complain because everyone got exactly what they paid for, right?
And then, of course, the GW1 community would just LOVE to buy GW2 produced by the same people who were so sweet to us.</sarcasm>
Get real....
NerfHerder
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Originally Posted by Iuris
The Guild wars business model actually makes this what SHOULD be expected. IE, Anet makes content, and you purchase it. As soon as Anet announced that they would stop making campaigns and would make a new GW2, everyone should have realized that the baseline is no new content. Every new content we get is Anet trying to get us interested in GW2, not their business. And amazingly, Anet is a business at the core (Wow, what a shocker!).
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I dont expect any more expansions, but I do expect content updates. From a business perspective, you would want your consumers(GW1 players) happy with the original product, so they will buy the sequel.
Also, Anet said they would keep producing content for GW1. Thats why we are expecting it.
Personally, I think ANet should pay more attention to microtransactions. Thats how the F2P market makes its money, and in some cases F2P players spend more money on microtransactions than P2P MMOs.
Skyy High
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Well, you're both right, they could completely abandon the game and the community that built up around it and never update the game again.
Of course, no one would complain because everyone got exactly what they paid for, right? And then, of course, the GW1 community would just LOVE to buy GW2 produced by the same people who were so sweet to us.</sarcasm> Get real.... |
I've never seen a community so adamant that a developer shower them with free updates so they'll acquiesce to buying a sequel. The quality of the sequel should stand on its own merits, and anyone threatening to not buy it (regardless of quality) because of past "injustices" (the definition here being "not updating the game regularly enough") is cutting their nose off to spite their face. By all means, complain if you don't like something, if a feature doesn't appeal to you or you think it's bad. Don't buy it if you don't like it, but this endless, ceaseless, implied threatening of swearing off GW2 because of how updates are (or are not) going now? It's *one more time* unreasonable.
lemming
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Mmmm...pretty close, actually. If the community were reasonable, certainly. Anyone who enjoys (or enjoyed) the game when it was regularly updated, but is disgruntled enough by lacking updates because most of the devs are too busy building GW++ to work on regular updates (and, I stress regular, because we have gotten a bunch of stuff, for free, since GW:EN), is being unreasonable. You simply cannot extrapolate the quality or timeliness of updates now with the quality or service we'll get when GW2 releases, and anyone who tries is being, say it with me now, unreasonable.
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Aljasha
I agree with Skyy on that one. GW2 should have the right stay on its own. Obviously ANet made many mistakes with GW1, but the reason you (the greatest critics here on Guru) are still here is bound to the fact ANet did something well enough to keep you interested in this franchise.
On topic, GW:B is not dead yet, but WIK certainly is. Just give GW:B another synonymous, like "content updates once in a while" and you'll be fine.
On topic, GW:B is not dead yet, but WIK certainly is. Just give GW:B another synonymous, like "content updates once in a while" and you'll be fine.
LordDragon
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I bought lots of stuff after they stopped making campaigns. I really didnt care for some of it, but I thought the money would go to produce more content..
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I think it is absolutely insane to purchase something and then think you will get 'something else' that you did not purchase.
Guild Wars is a GREAT game. Even with all the 'unbalanced' skills and all the other complaints made by people that are just bored now, it is still one of the best damned games ever made. If they NEVER fixed even one thing that people complain about here I would still play it and so would lots of other people.
When Guild Wars Beyond started I was THRILLED! WOW, we were told that there would be little if any new content to GW and lo and behold, New Content! Fun content at that.
Hey, sorry to rant but I am SICK of people CONSTANTLY complaining. ArenaNet has done a fine job of giving value for the money spent.
Hyperventilate
At this point, I was tremendously disappointed by the WiK stuff. It didn't live up to a tenth of the hype as the advertising was making it out to be.
I really don't care if the next GW:B comes or not. I've pretty much stopped playing except for the occasional troll and romp around FA.
Runes of Magic takes up most of my time now.
Small team or not, Anet doesn't listen to anybody for any reason now, not even the Test Krewe.
I don't know why they even bother.
I really don't care if the next GW:B comes or not. I've pretty much stopped playing except for the occasional troll and romp around FA.
Runes of Magic takes up most of my time now.
Small team or not, Anet doesn't listen to anybody for any reason now, not even the Test Krewe.
I don't know why they even bother.
Crimson Robes
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At this point, I was tremendously disappointed by the WiK stuff. It didn't live up to a tenth of the hype as the advertising was making it out to be.
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EPO Bot
The last time i put any money in GW was three years ago. I really don't want anything more from Anet then the ability to play what i bought. If you have any maturity at all, this is the only logical conclusion.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Why is it that people insist on continually saying 'omg GW is dead!'?
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Outside the irony of people repetitively posting "DEAD GAME!!!" here I'm consistently baffled at players who seem to still struggle with the concept of games having a life-span in conjunction with decreasing player numbers.
To state the obvious MMO players in particular seem to find this concept a major hurdle.
Tbh I assume most complainants come from more populated MMO's or haven't actually played GW for long, more so people with a subscription game mentality.
Pugging in GW is a struggle yes but Guilds seem to be ok.My alliance has picked up hugely in the last two weeks, including myself.
Until the servers close it's really ignorance or inexperience on show but it's sad to see this thread theme is still prevalent.
Gaming is cyclic.Period.
FengShuiDove
This thread again?
Sorry your 5 year old free to play game doesn't have monthly updates. Want constant change and action with one storyline beginning right after one ends? Read a book. Watch an anime. Play another game in between. Deal with it.
Sorry your 5 year old free to play game doesn't have monthly updates. Want constant change and action with one storyline beginning right after one ends? Read a book. Watch an anime. Play another game in between. Deal with it.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
Sorry your 5 year old free to play game doesn't have monthly updates.
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Tbh, if they stopped doing interviews making big claims then people would probably quit bitching about stuff not getting here fast enough. At least then we'd know that they're just letting the game rot and not expect anything.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Tbh, if they stopped doing interviews making big claims then people would probably quit bitching about stuff not getting here fast enough.
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Gamers will whine, irrespective.
Atypically the "claims" are a direct response to complaints in order to sanctify the unrealistic expectations of obsessive gamers.
Don't believe the hype.